The Martian 4K UHD (2015) - Page 2 - Blu-ray Forum

Geoff D · 12-22-2015, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Desk.

I know that 3D isn't part of the UHD 4K Blu-Ray specifications, but can anyone tell me if that means that it can't somehow be included in future releases if hardware manufacturers decide to bulld it in as a feature regardless of the agreed specs?

Desk

The Blu-ray spec was updated to include 3D, UHD Blu would be no different: it doesn't matter what's in there at the moment as long as they can jury rig the new features to work with UHD's bandwidth constraints. Then, as with 3D BD, you'd need a new player and TV to use those features that are part of the new spec unless you had a player with architecture that allowed it to be retrofitted, like with the PS3 and 3D (though that implementation wasn't perfect).

spectre08 · 12-22-2015, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

The Blu-ray spec was updated to include 3D, UHD Blu would be no different: it doesn't matter what's in there at the moment as long as they can jury rig the new features to work with UHD's bandwidth constraints. Then, as with 3D BD, you'd need a new player and TV to use those features that are part of the new spec unless you had a player with architecture that allowed it to be retrofitted, like with the PS3 and 3D (though that implementation wasn't perfect).

you think current 4K + 3D tvs would be able to show 4K 3D content? For some reason I suspect not.

dvdmike · 12-22-2015, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by spectre08

you think current 4K + 3D tvs would be able to show 4K 3D content? For some reason I suspect not.

I can make something to test that idea when I get my TV

spectre08 · 12-22-2015, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dvdmike

I can make something to test that idea when I get my TV

that would be really cool.

The only way I see 4K 3D happening with the current tvs is the aforementioned side-by-side format.

btw, I have it on good authority that certain kinds of entertainment websites are already making content like that.

Poya · 12-22-2015, 08:32 PM

There's no such thing as 4K 3D, even in theaters.

spectre08 · 12-22-2015, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Poya

There's no such thing as 4K 3D, even in theaters.

literally nobody here has said there was.

We're talking about the prospect of it in the future.

dvdmike · 12-22-2015, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Poya

There's no such thing as 4K 3D, even in theaters.

That's why it's not in the spec, but I can make it

Geoff D · 12-22-2015, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by spectre08

you think current 4K + 3D tvs would be able to show 4K 3D content? For some reason I suspect not.

If you look in the manuals for Sony and Panasonic 4K TVs they even state that their 3D support is for 2K/HD only. But, as someone said upthread, other makes of TVs can take an SBS/OU 4K signal and apply the relevant 3D processing to it because their implementation also works in the 4K domain.

Trouble is, if UHD 3D follows the similar frame packed spec as BD 3D then even those sets will be shit out of luck - barring another one connect box update for Samsung owners, natch. SBS is one thing, but accepting/processing something like a 3840x4365 signal (2x 2160 frame packed in the vertical with 45 blanking lines to separate them) is way beyond anything on the consumer market at the moment. That's what I mean by needing a new TV and new player (certain Sammy TVs aside) IF UHD 3D ever comes along, that sort of compatibility simply does not exist right now and can't easily be added after the fact.

dvdmike · 12-22-2015, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

If you look in the manuals for Sony and Panasonic 4K TVs they even state that their 3D support is for 2K/HD only. But, as someone said upthread, other makes of TVs can take an SBS/OU 4K signal and apply the relevant 3D processing to it because their implementation also works in the 4K domain.

Trouble is, if UHD 3D follows the similar frame packed spec as BD 3D then even those sets will be shit out of luck - barring another one connect box update for Samsung owners, natch. SBS is one thing, but accepting/processing something like a 3840x4365 signal (2x 2160 frame packed in the vertical with 45 blanking lines to separate them) is way beyond anything on the consumer market at the moment. That's what I mean by needing a new TV and new player (certain Sammy TVs aside) IF UHD 3D ever comes along, that sort of compatibility simply does not exist right now and can't easily be added after the fact.

I was going to try side by side, over under, and frame packed

Geoff D · 12-22-2015, 09:08 PM

What, on the (eventual) Sony? Good luck with that, and I don't mean that in a sarky way. Sometimes you just gotta find things out for yourself.

dvdmike · 12-22-2015, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

What, on the (eventual) Sony? Good luck with that, and I don't mean that in a sarky way. Sometimes you just gotta find things out for yourself.

Oh I was guessing the Sony won't touch it, the Samsung's might but you are not thinking of the players...

Geoff D · 12-22-2015, 09:14 PM

How would the players help if the TV doesn't support it? Don't tell me you plan to put on a SBS 4K image (which any 4K TV wouldn't have trouble displaying 'as is' because it's just a flat 3840x2160 image) and cross your eyes the whole time?

Dragun · 12-22-2015, 09:14 PM

IMDB says this was finished at 2K. So there are three possibilities I can think of:

1) IMDB is wrong and this was finished at 4K (for the 2D version, at least)

2) This was finished at 2K and the UHD will be presented at 2K, but with better color and compression than the Blu-Ray

3) The 2K master was upscaled to 4K for the UHD.

dvdmike · 12-22-2015, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

How would the players help if the TV doesn't support it? Don't tell me you plan to put on a SBS 4K image (which any 4K TV wouldn't have trouble displaying 'as is' because it's just a flat 3840x2160 image) and cross your eyes the whole time?

I have a theory that in a year or twenty I will try out when I get the set

PeterTHX · 12-22-2015, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragun

IMDB says this was finished at 2K. So there are three possibilities I can think of:

IMDB is very often wrong.

There apparently was a 4K Dolby Vision HDR pass done.

dvdmike · 12-22-2015, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragun

IMDB says this was finished at 2K. So there are three possibilities I can think of:

1) IMDB is wrong and this was finished at 4K (for the 2D version, at least)

2) This was finished at 2K and the UHD will be presented at 2K, but with better color and compression than the Blu-Ray

3) The 2K master was upscaled to 4K for the UHD.

There was word of a 4k finished HDR master.

Edit, what he said ^

Opips3 · 12-22-2015, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

IMDB is very often wrong.

There apparently was a 4K Dolby Vision HDR pass done.

I knew it that was a 4K. IMDB said Its 2K finished.

ray0414 · 12-22-2015, 10:40 PM

We've got quite a few Samsung owners downloading this from mgo as we speak. I'll probably download it tonight. I'll post mine and others feedback when I get it.

JayEmm · 12-22-2015, 11:05 PM

I am not aware of any 4k screenings of the film. I if it was finished in 4k I SHOULD have known about it.

Oblivion was definitely 2k, pretty sure Prometheus was too. Not sure about the Counselor. It's easier to do a 4k finish when the film isn't full of CGI and VFX.

Poya · 12-23-2015, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by spectre08

literally nobody here has said there was.

We're talking about the prospect of it in the future.

But how can it be done?

12-22-2015, 08:32 PM	#25
Poya Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jun 2011 Location:NY, NY 4K collection:1 Blu-ray collection:2 Trading Score:12	There's no such thing as 4K 3D, even in theaters.

12-22-2015, 09:08 PM	#30
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1347 Blu-ray collection:2524 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	What, on the (eventual) Sony? Good luck with that, and I don't mean that in a sarky way. Sometimes you just gotta find things out for yourself.

12-22-2015, 09:14 PM	#32
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1347 Blu-ray collection:2524 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	How would the players help if the TV doesn't support it? Don't tell me you plan to put on a SBS 4K image (which any 4K TV wouldn't have trouble displaying 'as is' because it's just a flat 3840x2160 image) and cross your eyes the whole time?

12-22-2015, 09:14 PM	#33
Dragun Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2010 Location:Los Angeles, CA 4K collection:114 Blu-ray collection:857 Trading Score:1	IMDB says this was finished at 2K. So there are three possibilities I can think of: 1) IMDB is wrong and this was finished at 4K (for the 2D version, at least) 2) This was finished at 2K and the UHD will be presented at 2K, but with better color and compression than the Blu-Ray 3) The 2K master was upscaled to 4K for the UHD.

12-22-2015, 10:40 PM	#38
ray0414 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Oct 2015 Location:Michigan, USA, 35yo Trading Score:9	We've got quite a few Samsung owners downloading this from mgo as we speak. I'll probably download it tonight. I'll post mine and others feedback when I get it.

12-22-2015, 11:05 PM	#39
JayEmm Active Member Member since:Dec 2015	I am not aware of any 4k screenings of the film. I if it was finished in 4k I SHOULD have known about it. Oblivion was definitely 2k, pretty sure Prometheus was too. Not sure about the Counselor. It's easier to do a 4k finish when the film isn't full of CGI and VFX.

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