Hannibal (2001)

[Cap.T]

Originally Posted by CraigThom

You may feel that way, because we're all individuals, but I think the score for the television show was phenomenal. It made the best use of my subwoofer in a non-crash-boom way I've ever heard. The low frequency notes (which vanished when I did A/B with my television speakers) heightened the emotional intensity of the show.

Honestly, the sound design was my favorite part of this show.

I definitly agree on the sound design of the show. There isn't another TV-Show (or Movie for that matter) in my 1500+ BD-Collection that uses the subwoofer as intensely and effectively as this show especially in the third season. The sound design combined with the amazing visual design and superb storytelling and acting are makeing it a show for the ages for me. I still can't believe this show aired on NBC. Levels about everything else they had and have on imo.

[JimDiGriz]

I was thinking more of the soundtrack music rather than effects.

[CraigThom]

Originally Posted by JimDiGriz

I was thinking more of the soundtrack music rather than effects.

We are talking about the music, not sound effects. It's not crash-boom subwoofer stuff; it's musical notes, sometimes more felt than heard, but still notes. It's part of the score.

But it's not just the low notes. The score uses a variety of unusual instruments to produce a haunting, emotional musical backdrop for the show.

There are some samples on YouTube, but it works best in the context of the show.

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by CraigThom

We are talking about the music, not sound effects. It's not crash-boom subwoofer stuff; it's musical notes, sometimes more felt than heard, but still notes. It's part of the score.

But it's not just the low notes. The score uses a variety of unusual instruments to produce a haunting, emotional musical backdrop for the show.

There are some samples on YouTube, but it works best in the context of the show.

OK. Well I will watch it at some point hopefully! There's a Hannibal (film) steelbook coming up in the UK - Zoom - later in the year if anyone is interested. Wont ship to the US but there should be a group buy I think.

[CyberpunkCentral]

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Hannibal-Blu-ray/160012/

WTF!? Why is it region B when the previous release was region free? Unless this has a new transfer. =/

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by CyberpunkCentral

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Hannibal-Blu-ray/160012/

WTF!? Why is it region B when the previous release was region free? Unless this has a new transfer. =/

It's a user edited database and defaults to local regions I believe. I'm sure it's the same disc and therefore region free.

[CyberpunkCentral]

It says it's region B in this site...

http://www.zoom.co.uk/product/hannib...elbook_blu_ray

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by CyberpunkCentral

It says it's region B in this site...

http://www.zoom.co.uk/product/hannib...elbook_blu_ray

Stores aren't usually accurate either. Amazon never is. I mean, I can't guarantee it's region-free though, the only way to be 100% sure is to have a member tell you if its the same disc as before, which is region-free, or if it's a new disc to test it out.

I'm just betting it's 99% likely the same disc and therefore region-free.

[BladeRunner2007]

Anyone care to elaborate on the differences betwenn the movie and the novel? I love the movie and the Hannibal TV series. I noticed they handled some things totally different. So I am curious, which one is closer to the book and the differences overall.

[Agent Bond]

In the book, Mason Verger runs an orphanage, from which he calls children to verbally abuse as a substitute for him no longer being able to molest them. He also has a sister, Margot, whom he raped when they were children and who is a lesbian. When she disclosed her sexual orientation to her family, their father disowned her. As she is sterile due to steroid abuse, Verger exerts some control over her by promising her a semen sample with which to impregnate her lover, who could then inherit the Verger fortune.

Verger literally has no face and has to be kept in a sterile room at all times to keep bacteria from affecting exposed muscle and tissues. At the end of the book, Margot and Starling both help Lecter escape during a shootout between Starling and Verger's guards. Margot, at Lecter's advice, stimulates her brother to ejaculate with a cattle prod, and then kills him by ramming his pet moray eel down his throat.

The controversial ending has Lecter presenting Starling with the exhumed bones of her father, which he "brings to life" by hypnotizing Starling, allowing her to say goodbye. This culminaties in them becoming lovers and escaping to Argentina. At the end of the novel, Barney sees them at the Teatro Colón of Buenos Aires.

It also had the WWII flashbacks seen in the Hannibal Rising film.

[BladeRunner2007]

Originally Posted by Agent Bond

In the book, Mason Verger runs an orphanage, from which he calls children to verbally abuse as a substitute for him no longer being able to molest them. He also has a sister, Margot, whom he raped when they were children and who is a lesbian. When she disclosed her sexual orientation to her family, their father disowned her. As she is sterile due to steroid abuse, Verger exerts some control over her by promising her a semen sample with which to impregnate her lover, who could then inherit the Verger fortune.

Verger literally has no face and has to be kept in a sterile room at all times to keep bacteria from affecting exposed muscle and tissues. At the end of the book, Margot and Starling both help Lecter escape during a shootout between Starling and Verger's guards. Margot, at Lecter's advice, stimulates her brother to ejaculate with a cattle prod, and then kills him by ramming his pet moray eel down his throat.

The controversial ending has Lecter presenting Starling with the exhumed bones of her father, which he "brings to life" by hypnotizing Starling, allowing her to say goodbye. This culminaties in them becoming lovers and escaping to Argentina. At the end of the novel, Barney sees them at the Teatro Colón of Buenos Aires.

It also had the WWII flashbacks seen in the Hannibal Rising film.

Thanks a lot! From the sound of that the TV show is much closer to the book. I think I might have to read it finally for myself.

[GuruAskew]

If faithfulness to the novels is what you want then the Hopkins movies are undeniably the ones you want.

The TV series was terrific but it mixed a lot of stuff up from the books intentionally. Scenes/situations that happened to one character in the novels happened to different characters altogether. The chronology was drastically changed, with Hannibal material taking place before Red Dragon, Hannibal Rising material taking place during Lecter's adult life etc. There was also a substantial amount of original material and they were legally unable to use any material from Silence.

None of that is bad, per se, it's just its own thing, a unique re-interpretation of the books.

[BladeRunner2007]

Originally Posted by GuruAskew

If faithfulness to the novels is what you want then the Hopkins movies are undeniably the ones you want.

The TV series was terrific but it mixed a lot of stuff up from the books intentionally. Scenes/situations that happened to one character in the novels happened to different characters altogether. The chronology was drastically changed, with Hannibal material taking place before Red Dragon, Hannibal Rising material taking place during Lecter's adult life etc. There was also a substantial amount of original material and they were legally unable to use any material from Silence.

None of that is bad, per se, it's just its own thing, a unique re-interpretation of the books.

I noticed that as well. To my surprised it worked very well. But I noticed most differences during the Hannibal stuff in the show. So I was just wondering what medium is closer to the novel. In terms of context, not necessarily timeline wise

[GuruAskew]

For all the content that exists in multiple versions I don't think the TV series really delved too deeply into content from the books that hadn't already been adapted in the movies aside from the whole plot with Margot (who was eliminated from the Hannibal film altogether) trying to produce a Verger heir.

It has more to do with the fact that very little was omitted from the 3 Hopkins films, especially Silence and Red Dragon, and the two large omissions that do come to mind (Dolarhyde's backstory, which is implied in RD and altogether omitted from Manhunter, and the ending to Hannibal) weren't heavily featured in the Hannibal series either.

[Lutz]

The TV series does a lot better job of handling the gay aspects of Hannibal as in the book they are extremely outdated and homophobic.

Also I think it was more interesting putting Bedelia in the position Clarice was in at the end of the Hannibal novel and then showing what that relationship would have looked like by having it play out during the Hannibal story on the TV show.

[P-Rock]

Thomas Harris didn't want to write Hannibal Rising, but got forced into it by the producer who wanted a prequel. He basically got told that if he didn't do it, they would get someone else and Harris wouldn't have any input whatsoever.

[GuruAskew]

Not only did he not want to write it, he also had to write the screenplay first, making "Hannibal Rising" a novelization, technically.

The movie was actually completed before the book and delayed several times to maintain the illusion that it was based on the book. Ultimately they were only released 66 days apart.

[StingingVelvet]

I read Harris' novels back when I read novels and loved the twisted ending of Hannibal. Was really annoyed the movie wussed out on that and gave us a total non-ending.

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I read Harris' novels back when I read novels and loved the twisted ending of Hannibal. Was really annoyed the movie wussed out on that and gave us a total non-ending.

I love the film and I really enjoyed the book but havent read it for years.

[jordy475]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I read Harris' novels back when I read novels and loved the twisted ending of Hannibal. Was really annoyed the movie wussed out on that and gave us a total non-ending.

Couldn't agree with you more, I thought the ending of the book was great. I just sat there shaking my head watching

[Show spoiler]Hannibal cut his own hand off

in the movie. Oh well it is what it is.