'Star Trek Beyond' - July 22, 2016

[Gizz]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

You know, it's the worst Trek movie but I still love it. If a mad genie came to me and said I could either save Trek V from being erased from time or the entire Star Wars franchise I would save Trek V, because I'm an a-hole like that.

Same here I have loved that film ever since I saw it back in 1990 on VHS. I do enjoy Star Wars just love Star Trek more.

[robgmun]

Originally Posted by Gizz

Same here I have loved that film ever since I saw it back in 1990 on VHS. I do enjoy Star Wars just love Star Trek more.

The more i watch the Star Trek movies, the more a love them, even the weaker ones. The more i watch PT Star Wars movies, the more i hate them. I would be happy to pretend that the PT's don't exist

[Gizz]

Originally Posted by robgmun

The more i watch the Star Trek movies, the more a love them, even the weaker ones. The more i watch PT Star Wars movies, the more i hate them. I would be happy to pretend that the PT's don't exist

Yeah the prequel Star Wars films are not that great Ep II is one of the worst films ever made both Ep I and III have there moments. The Star Trek movies I have love them since I was a kid I was born in 1981 so I grow up with the Movies then watched the TV show.

[borgmatrix]

Originally Posted by Gizz

Same here I have loved that film ever since I saw it back in 1990 on VHS. I do enjoy Star Wars just love Star Trek more.

I like Final Frontier, too. One of the things that stands out to me is that, out of all the movies, its the only Kirk-Spock-Bones adventure. Surprising, given that was the core for so many of the tv episodes.

[Gizz]

Originally Posted by borgmatrix

I like Final Frontier, too. One of the things that stands out to me is that, out of all the movies, its the only Kirk-Spock-Bones adventure. Surprising, given that was the core for so many of the tv episodes.

That's one of the main things that I really enjoy about the film.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by borgmatrix

I like Final Frontier, too. One of the things that stands out to me is that, out of all the movies, its the only Kirk-Spock-Bones adventure. Surprising, given that was the core for so many of the tv episodes.

Definitely, that movie NAILS those three characters as a team. The dialog between them is quite good as well. It saves the rest of the movie, which is much more average, but still not bad in my opinion. I really think most people are thrown by the god story (which ends up being quite agnostic in message) and the poorer effects. Plus it's terrible reputation, which people latch on to.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by borgmatrix

I like Final Frontier, too. One of the things that stands out to me is that, out of all the movies, its the only Kirk-Spock-Bones adventure. Surprising, given that was the core for so many of the tv episodes.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: some of my favourite moments Kirk/Spock/Bones scenes in the ENTIRE FREAKIN' FRANCHISE come from Final Frontier. It cops a lot of shit for some aspects of it - and rightly so - but those campfire scenes are gold, gold I tells ya!

[L-Rouge]

Speaking of Star Trek V The Final Frontier...

[Show spoiler]

[Geoff D]

Man, seeing that image in the movie gave me da feels for reels, yo.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Man, seeing that image in the movie gave me da feels for reels, yo.

The feels for fishing reels, or Scottish/Irish folk dancing?

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I've said it before and I'll say it again: some of my favourite moments Kirk/Spock/Bones scenes in the ENTIRE FREAKIN' FRANCHISE come from Final Frontier. It cops a lot of shit for some aspects of it - and rightly so - but those campfire scenes are gold, gold I tells ya!

Was it the painfully awkward "Row row row your boat" part?

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Definitely, that movie NAILS those three characters as a team. The dialog between them is quite good as well. It saves the rest of the movie, which is much more average, but still not bad in my opinion. I really think most people are thrown by the god story (which ends up being quite agnostic in message) and the poorer effects. Plus it's terrible reputation, which people latch on to.

No, it's because it's a terrible movie. Shatner's ego on full rampage. His sneering "I NEED MY PAIN!" because he's "better" than McCoy (and before it was changed at Nimoy's behest) Spock. Manly man climbing a cliff with no safety equipment, throwing a 100+ pound cat lady over his head into a fish tank, then conveniently left behind to face a grainy cloud face that shoots badly animated lightning bolts. A couple "good" scenes doesn't make up for the other dozens of just outright terrible ones. CinemaSins could spend an hour on that movie.


Edit: how can you say it's not bad? Not with a straight face. We have:


Spock's "half-brother" out of nowhere
Paradise City a painfully bad riff on Mos Eisley and the cantina, with the aforementioned 3-breasted cat lady
Sulu and Chekov made to look like bumbling fools (a blizzard)
Scotty & Uhura awkward flirting - out of nowhere and never mentioned again
Kirk yanked to a sudden stop by Spock and his cartoon rocket boots out of the 1950s
American Gladiators Klingons
The Enterprise-A being a POS, that even the electronic clipboards fall apart for no good reason
Uhura's naked dance
Spock nerve pinching a horse
The endless shuttle bay
Deck 78
Scotty hitting his head
Getting to the center of the galaxy in minutes
Actually getting to the center of the galaxy, we're supposed to think it's dangerous but it's just a bunch of bad cloud tank effects and a little vibration.
Photon torpedo detonation right next to our heroes
Washed up Klingon ambassador suddenly important
Useless Romulan representative


All with the frosting of visual effects that somehow are worse than the original series made 20 years before.

[Gizz]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

No, it's because it's a terrible movie. Shatner's ego on full rampage. His sneering "I NEED MY PAIN!" because he's "better" than McCoy (and before it was changed at Nimoy's behest) Spock. Manly man climbing a cliff with no safety equipment, throwing a 100+ pound cat lady over his head into a fish tank, then conveniently left behind to face a grainy cloud face that shoots badly animated lightning bolts. A couple "good" scenes doesn't make up for the other dozens of just outright terrible ones. CinemaSins could spend an hour on that movie.


Edit: how can you say it's not bad? Not with a straight face. We have:


Spock's "half-brother" out of nowhere
Paradise City a painfully bad riff on Mos Eisley and the cantina, with the aforementioned 3-breasted cat lady
Sulu and Chekov made to look like bumbling fools (a blizzard)
Scotty & Uhura awkward flirting - out of nowhere and never mentioned again
Kirk yanked to a sudden stop by Spock and his cartoon rocket boots out of the 1950s
American Gladiators Klingons
The Enterprise-A being a POS, that even the electronic clipboards fall apart for no good reason
Uhura's naked dance
Spock nerve pinching a horse
The endless shuttle bay
Deck 78
Scotty hitting his head
Getting to the center of the galaxy in minutes
Actually getting to the center of the galaxy, we're supposed to think it's dangerous but it's just a bunch of bad cloud tank effects and a little vibration.
Photon torpedo detonation right next to our heroes
Washed up Klingon ambassador suddenly important
Useless Romulan representative


All with the frosting of visual effects that somehow are worse than the original series made 20 years before.

You might think it's bad and while I respect your opinions on the film. I disagree yes the film has it problems yes the effects are rubbish. But I like the film it has some great Kirk/Spock and Mccoy moments.

So while you may think the film sucks try to remember that film is subjective. I notice in your Blu Ray you have Pulp Fiction I hate that film but I respect that there are people out there who love it.

[L-Rouge]

I like what ST:V tried to achieve, It is a thought provoking effort. I acknowledge it is a troubled production but it has terrific moments in it. Though also admit the humour around the failing enterprise was a gag too many

I appreciate Lawrence Luckinbill's performance, he lived it.

Jerry Goldsmith performed his second best work here.


but then I adore The Motion Picture which also has it faults, but cinematicly Trek will never dance to that tune again. As with 5, it has it's on ideas going.

I personally prefer 5 to Generations. The Nexus is too faulty for my tastes.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Oooooooohhhhhhh boy...

[Duke_45]

I'll take ST:V over ST:III any day. And btw, ST:B was awful. Worst ST film I've ever seen. Wanted to leave at so many points, but stuck it out. Broke into a slow jog for the exits, as soon as the first credit appeared.

[CouncilSpectre]

TFF had some great scenes with Kirk, Spock and McCoy. That aside though, I hated nearly everything else about it.

On the 'loving the movies that other people seem to hate' front though, I adore Generations. Except Kirk getting killed by a ladder. But that aside....

[spectre08]

I have never watched a Star Trek movie that I didn't enjoy, warts and all.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by CouncilSpectre

TFF had some great scenes with Kirk, Spock and McCoy. That aside though, I hated nearly everything else about it.

On the 'loving the movies that other people seem to hate' front though, I adore Generations. Except Kirk getting killed by a ladder. But that aside....

It wasn't a ladder...

[Show spoiler]"Bridge on the Captain!"

[Yojimbo68]

Originally Posted by CouncilSpectre

TFF had some great scenes with Kirk, Spock and McCoy. That aside though, I hated nearly everything else about it.

On the 'loving the movies that other people seem to hate' front though, I adore Generations. Except Kirk getting killed by a ladder. But that aside....

At least Generations had some interesting ideas in it that are very Star Trek. Is time a predator stalking all of us?

[Show spoiler]I wasn't crazy about Star Trek Beyond. I found the action stuff mostly "been there, done that". Yes. I actually got bored watching the Enterprise getting destroyed. Are the writers really so out of ideas that they have to draw from that well again? And yet another villain with a doomsday whatchamacallit? Just another excuse to run, jump and shoot. Yawn. I just didn't feel the stakes. And they keep getting Spock wrong in these reboots. The writers seem to get a charge creating situations for Spock to do things that are "out of character". And the whole Sulu gay thing is thrown in there as an agenda. Totally unnecessary. Idris Elba is wasted as Krall. A terrific actor who's not given good enough material for his talents.

On the positive side, I surprisingly liked the new character of Jaylah. I actually wished she had more screen time! Karl Urban still makes for a great McCoy.

Overall, Star Trek Beyond is marginally better than Into Darkness but it's still weighed down by a paper thin plot. The classic Star Trek characters deserve better.