Oblivion 4K UHD (2013)

[eddievanhalen]

Isn't that possible that the HD Blu ray version used some edge enhancement but the UHD Blu ray didn't being more faithful to the source? Just guessing...

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

Isn't that possible that the HD Blu ray version used some edge enhancement but the UHD Blu ray didn't being more faithful to the source? Just guessing...

From what I've seen, the 1080p BD seems to have real detail not "enhanced" edges as you would get with EE.

Something went wrong with the HDR10 grade as the Dolby Vision version online does not suffer the same fate.

[reanimator]

Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

Isn't that possible that the HD Blu ray version used some edge enhancement but the UHD Blu ray didn't being more faithful to the source? Just guessing...

Can't say for sure. What I am sure about is that the standard BD is occasionally fairly noisy. My guess is that Universal was aware of that, and intentionally de-noised the UHD version -- hence the softness.

It's also true that the HDR and color on the UHD disc is gorgeous.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by reanimator

Can't say for sure. What I am sure about is that the standard BD is occasionally fairly noisy. My guess is that Universal was aware of that, and intentionally de-noised the UHD version -- hence the softness.

It's also true that the HDR and color on the UHD disc is gorgeous.

But they didn't mess up the detail in the Dolby Vision version.

[reanimator]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

But they didn't mess up the detail in the Dolby Vision version.

I'll have to check that out.

[Geoff D]

I do want to get a look at this disc for myself at some point, I shoulda bought it when the Universal UHDs were just £14.99 during the Black Friday nonsense.

[gates70]

Originally Posted by DJJez

it looks softer for sure compared to the razor sharp blu ray BUT the HDR is impressive on the 4k disc so u gotta decide which u prefer

To me HDR. It does look a bit softer than the BD but it's not as bad as what people are saying. It's still pretty sharp. I like the UHD better.

[Geoff D]

Got a hold of this and just wanna make two things clear: 1) the improvements to the dynamic range and the colour are so beautiful, it makes the regular Blu looks almost washed out in comparison; 2) it has indeed been softened like a mofo, I know that's old news but it really has taken quite a hit compared to the Blu-ray.

Here's where it gets a little more interesting. I decided to play around with the sharpness controls on my UHD player, see what would happen, and I managed to get the UHD to a point where it brings back a sense of the Blu-ray's clinical crispness. The detail on the UHD can't be restored to the same level because it's simply not there to begin with, and yet because it's so soft it can endure being sharpened back up again without adding a load of artefacts.

If anyone's got a Panasonic player then go into the settings during playback and turn both the mid and high frequency Luma sharpness to +6. You may then notice heavy ringing along the edges of the letterbox bars, but put Edge Correction to +1 and the ringing disappears. See what you think!

And yes, I know: turning the sharpness UP is an anathema to any serious home theater enthusiast, but in this case the movie has been filtered quite significantly so I thought I'd give it a go.

[Geoff D]

^ So it's not been Darbee'd but Geoff D'd

[eddievanhalen]

I played for some time with Brightness and Control setting on my Samsung player and it almost matched definition on the HD Blu ray. I didn't do any tweaking with Sharpness control but I'll give it a try.

[DJJez]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Got a hold of this and just wanna make two things clear: 1) the improvements to the dynamic range and the colour are so beautiful, it makes the regular Blu looks almost washed out in comparison; 2) it has indeed been softened like a mofo, I know that's old news but it really has taken quite a hit compared to the Blu-ray.

Here's where it gets a little more interesting. I decided to play around with the sharpness controls on my UHD player, see what would happen, and I managed to get the UHD to a point where it brings back a sense of the Blu-ray's clinical crispness. The detail on the UHD can't be restored to the same level because it's simply not there to begin with, and yet because it's so soft it can endure being sharpened back up again without adding a load of artefacts.

If anyone's got a Panasonic player then go into the settings during playback and turn both the mid and high frequency Luma sharpness to +6. You may then notice heavy ringing along the edges of the letterbox bars, but put Edge Correction to +1 and the ringing disappears. See what you think!

And yes, I know: turning the sharpness UP is an anathema to any serious home theater enthusiast, but in this case the movie has been filtered quite significantly so I thought I'd give it a go.

will give this a go and let u know. oblivion is one of my fav movies ever. i was really upset they softened the UHD so much

[vincentric]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Got a hold of this and just wanna make two things clear: 1) the improvements to the dynamic range and the colour are so beautiful, it makes the regular Blu looks almost washed out in comparison; 2) it has indeed been softened like a mofo, I know that's old news but it really has taken quite a hit compared to the Blu-ray.

Here's where it gets a little more interesting. I decided to play around with the sharpness controls on my UHD player, see what would happen, and I managed to get the UHD to a point where it brings back a sense of the Blu-ray's clinical crispness. The detail on the UHD can't be restored to the same level because it's simply not there to begin with, and yet because it's so soft it can endure being sharpened back up again without adding a load of artefacts.

If anyone's got a Panasonic player then go into the settings during playback and turn both the mid and high frequency Luma sharpness to +6. You may then notice heavy ringing along the edges of the letterbox bars, but put Edge Correction to +1 and the ringing disappears. See what you think!

And yes, I know: turning the sharpness UP is an anathema to any serious home theater enthusiast, but in this case the movie has been filtered quite significantly so I thought I'd give it a go.

Good info regarding the sharpening user fix. Glad to hear you also agree with the blurriness, it's old news but nice to refresh for those still unaware.

Also a bit off topic but while on the subject of sharpening, on the LG OLED am finding that sharpness at 0 looks a little too soft overall, while a setting of 10 seems just right. Not sure if that's just me though.

[DJJez]

Originally Posted by vincentric

Good info regarding the sharpening user fix. Glad to hear you also agree with the blurriness, it's old news but nice to refresh for those still unaware.

Also a bit off topic but while on the subject of sharpening, on the LG OLED am finding that sharpness at 0 looks a little too soft overall, while a setting of 10 seems just right. Not sure if that's just me though.

i prefer 10 on my oled. o is def a bit soft

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

And yes, I know: turning the sharpness UP is an anathema to any serious home theater enthusiast, but in this case the movie has been filtered quite significantly so I thought I'd give it a go.

The point is you shouldn't have to fix Universal poor work with this disc by applying artificial digital sharpness. I have no doubt you did a good job because you know home video transfers better than Universal does. But still they shouldn't get a pass for this.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

The point is you shouldn't have to fix Universal poor work with this disc by applying artificial digital sharpness. I have no doubt you did a good job because you know home video transfers better than Universal does. But still they shouldn't get a pass for this.

I don't think he's giving them a pass, just saying if you love the HDR and WCG enhancements you might be able to make the detail passable with some artificial sharpening. I don't think I would do that, because I am anal about seeing things as intended and don't love HDR (yet). It's a perfectly good suggestion for those who do though.

I'm more surprised HDR could make such an impact on him with an SDR set. It sounds like since he has 450 nits (the same as me) he gets a little of that pop and range though, same as I do. I would never call it really effecting though.

[Geoff D]

What can I say? I honestly do see a big difference in range and colour on many UHD titles. Bear in mind that my TV receives the wider colour gamut from UHD, and the SDR conversion itself of the Panasonic player actually apes the brightness curve of HDR to a certain extent (I've measured it in HCFR) without needing untold amounts of extra brightness, I'm running on 200 nits max with my current TV settings.

XDTV: oh, I know. But I thought I'd give it a go and it works nicely.

[Opips3]

There television can maximum 1,500 nits only.....

HDR master 4,000 nits on UHD 4K.

Gov't force car driving use a electric replace gas. Same television..

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

What can I say? I honestly do see a big difference in range and colour on many UHD titles. Bear in mind that my TV receives the wider colour gamut from UHD, and the SDR conversion itself of the Panasonic player actually apes the brightness curve of HDR to a certain extent (I've measured it in HCFR) without needing untold amounts of extra brightness, I'm running on 200 nits max with my current TV settings.

Mine can process WCG, supposedly, so I feel like we're basically operating on the same level. Don't get me wrong, I see what HDR is doing and in some cases I even really like what it's doing (Yorktown in Star Trek Beyond, the end battle in Suicide Squad). I just don't see it as transcendent or amazing. More pop to bright lights and effects... neat... but added detail and smoother colors are much more what I am impressed by.

We are all different and all have various favorite video "foods" though, obviously.

[Geoff D]

And lately I've become a little more relaxed with tweaking my settings especially for regular Blu-ray because I've got it calibrated so tightly to begin with, I can always return to what it should look like, you know? Not that I tweak EVERYTHING because I simply don't have to, but if I feel like counteracting the teal menace on Aliens or making something like Star Trek Beyond not look so damnably milky then I will do so. Bwahahahhahahhaaaaaa!

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Mine can process WCG, supposedly, so I feel like we're basically operating on the same level. Don't get me wrong, I see what HDR is doing and in some cases I even really like what it's doing (Yorktown in Star Trek Beyond, the end battle in Suicide Squad). I just don't see it as transcendent or amazing. More pop to bright lights and effects... neat... but added detail and smoother colors are much more what I am impressed by.

We are all different and all have various favorite video "foods" though, obviously.

But it's not solely about added 'pop', it's also about expanding the range to be able to see into those bright areas which were previously blown out without sacrificing the brightness of those areas. I know that's basically the complete opposite of what was done to Pacific Rim for its HDR grade but that's the exception rather than the rule.