Wonder Woman (2017)

[Mike1981]

How anyone can argue that the age of the movie star is over is baffling. We live in the age of the franchise.

[captveg]

Originally Posted by Mike1981

How anyone can argue that the age of the movie star is over is baffling. We live in the age of the franchise.

I'd describe the modern age as the "Age of the IP".

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by MJD64

Never had much of an opinion on Chris Pine one way or the other until Hell Or High Water. He really is terrific in that; Jeff Bridges and Ben Foster got all the accolades for their showier acting, but Pine gave a quiet, understated performance that was equally compelling.

I've only seen Chris Pine in two films: the 2009 Star Trek reboot, and Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit. Neither one was very interesting to me, and I like the older films in both franchises. It seems like this may be his big break, as well as Gal's. Time will tell...

[ClownPrinceofCrime]

What is truly baffling is the same people who argue that the age of the movie star is over also consider Channing Tatum a movie star. Hmm...I guess it isn't baffling after all.

[Talleyrand]

TOM CRUISE

The last star standing!

[Mike1981]

Originally Posted by ClownPrinceofCrime

What is truly baffling is the same people who argue that the age of the movie star is over also consider Channing Tatum a movie star. Hmm...I guess it isn't baffling at all.

I wouldn't argue that Channing Tatum is a movie star, beyond the technical definition in that he stars in movies.

I can't think of a marquee with the word "Tatum" spread across it, banking on his star power to lead to huge box office returns...

[ClownPrinceofCrime]

Originally Posted by Mike1981

I wouldn't argue that Channing Tatum is a movie star, beyond the technical definition in that he stars in movies.

I can't think of a marquee with the word "Tatum" spread across it, banking on his star power to lead to huge box office returns...

I take it you didn't catch the NY Post article (if you can call it journalism of any kind) up top. The same article called Cumberbatch a movie star.

[Mike1981]

Originally Posted by ClownPrinceofCrime

I take it you didn't catch the NY Post article (if you can call it journalism of any kind) up top. The same article called Cumberbatch a movie star.

That's fine they use that term.

That doesn't negate the fact that "name" actors don't open movies like they did 25 years ago.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by ClownPrinceofCrime

When has it ever been otherwise that the movie is the primary draw?

You don't have to go back to the golden age, just think of the late '70s and 1980s, Eddie Murphy's, Chevy Chase's or Steve Martin's early career, they were all pretty much star vehicles sold as showcases for their talent, the pictures' themselves were secondary. Someone like Schwarzenegger had a similar path, it didn't matter what the movie was, audiences turned up for the Austrian Oak.

Now I think as its been mentioned success is usually down to a combination of star and property. It's a bit like the Joker's cosmetic poison in Tim Burton's Batman, one product won't do much damage [opening weekend] but a combination can be deadly (at the box office).

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

I've only seen Chris Pine in two films: the 2009 Star Trek reboot, and Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit. Neither one was very interesting to me, and I like the older films in both franchises. It seems like this may be his big break, as well as Gal's. Time will tell...

[ClownPrinceofCrime]

Originally Posted by Mike1981

That's fine they use that term.

That doesn't negate the fact that "name" actors don't open movies like they did 25 years ago.

...uh, huh. Tatum and Cumberbatch are movie stars, alright.

Name actors didn't open movies 25 years ago either. Not unless they were paired with the right property. No different from what it is today.

Originally Posted by chip75

You don't have to go back to the golden age, just think of the late '70s and 1980s, Eddie Murphy's, Chevy Chase's or Steve Martin's early career, they were all pretty much star vehicles sold as showcases for their talent, the pictures' themselves were secondary. Someone like Schwarzenegger had a similar path, it didn't matter what the movie was, audiences turned up for the Austrian Oak.

Now I think as its been mentioned success is usually down to a combination of star and property. It's a bit like the Joker's cosmetic poison in Tim Burton's Batman, one product won't do much damage [opening weekend] but a combination can be deadly (at the box office).

I agree, but you also picked 3 comedians. Comedy is a dying genre and all 3 actors built their careers on it. Kevin Hart is the only comedian I can think of who can sell a movie on his name, and even then he has to be paired with somebody else.

I would have to disagree on Schwarzenegger. His name definitely sold outside the US, but domestically he needed to be in the right movie, mostly action with the exception of Twins.

That's pretty much what I have been saying.

[Mike1981]

Originally Posted by ClownPrinceofCrime

...uh, huh. Tatum and Cumberbatch are movie stars, alright.

Um, what?

Originally Posted by ClownPrinceofCrime

Name actors didn't open movies 25 years ago either. Not unless they were paired with the right property. No different from what it is today.



I agree, but you also picked 3 comedians. Comedy is a dying genre and all 3 actors built their careers on it. Kevin Hart is the only comedian I can think of who can sell a movie on his name, and even then he has to be paired with somebody else.

I would have to disagree on Schwarzenegger. His name definitely sold outside the US, but domestically he needed to be in the right movie, mostly action with the exception of Twins.

That's pretty much what I have been saying.

Yes, because movies like Eraser and End of Days were the right property...

You really think if a movie like Eraser opened today and stared Tatum is would make nearly 200 million?

Look at all those Schwarzenegger movie posters from 25 years ago. There's a reason his name is in font as large as the title.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Mike1981

Um, what?



Yes, because movies like Eraser and End of Days were the right property...

You really think if a movie like Eraser opened today and stared Tatum is would make nearly 200 million?

Look at all those Schwarzenegger movie posters from 25 years ago. There's a reason his name is in font as large as the title.

Marilyn Monroe was a movie star who could act and is the truest example of one I can think of. Can't remember how any of her films did financially though.

[ClownPrinceofCrime]

Originally Posted by Mike1981

Um, what?

Yes, because movies like Eraser and End of Days were the right property...

You really think if a movie like Eraser opened today and stared Tatum is would make nearly 200 million?

Look at all those Schwarzenegger movie posters from 25 years ago. There's a reason his name is in font as large as the title.

You heard me.

Yes, they were, especially Eraser. Right in Arnold's wheelhouse, similar to True Lies in almost every way. It just turned out to be a dud. Also the last time people were willing to accept him as an "action star", which is why End of Days failed. Doesn't mean it wasn't the right vehicle. Look at all the other movies he made around that time. All of them grossed less than End of Days.

Wait a sec. Isn't that what you think? I'm not the one agreeing with an NY Post article that refers to Tatum as a "movie star".

For the same reason RDJ, DiCaprio, Denzel, Cruise, Dwayne have their names in front of posters today.

[Mike1981]

Originally Posted by ClownPrinceofCrime

You heard me.

Yes, they were, especially Eraser. Right in Arnold's wheelhouse, similar to True Lies in almost every way. It just turned out to be a dud. Also the last time people were willing to accept him as an "action star".

Wait a sec. Isn't that what you think? I'm not the one agreeing with an NY Post article that refers to Tatum as a "movie star".

For the same reason RDJ, DiCaprio, Denzel, Cruise, Dwayne have their names in front of posters today.

So yeah, I really think you've lost the plot here.

I never said anything about agreeing with some NY Post article...

Look, it'd not an opinion; IPs sell tickets these days; name actors did 20 years ago. There are box office numbers to substantiate that, so I don't know why you're arguing so hard against it...

[ClownPrinceofCrime]

Originally Posted by Mike1981

So yeah, I really think you've lost the plot here.

I never said anything about agreeing with some NY Post article...

Look, it'd not an opinion; IPs sell tickets these days; name actors did 20 years ago. There are box office numbers to substantiate that, so I don't know why you're arguing so hard against it...

That implies you had one to begin with.

Then what exactly does, "That's fine they use that term.", mean?

What's not an opinion? What's "IPs"? Name actors didn't sell tickets 20 years ago either. They had to be paired with the right property. That's what BO numbers will validate. I'm pretty sure you have no clue what it is I have been saying, so what is it that you're arguing so hard about?

[Mike1981]

Originally Posted by ClownPrinceofCrime

That implies you had one to begin with.

Then what exactly does, "That's fine they use that term.", mean?

What's not an opinion? What's "IPs"? Name actors didn't sell tickets 20 years ago either. They had to be paired with the right property. That's what BO numbers will validate. I'm pretty sure you have no clue what it is I have been saying, so what is it that you're arguing so hard about?

Well, I think everyone can agree with you there...

[ClownPrinceofCrime]

Originally Posted by Mike1981

Well, I think everyone can agree with you there...

Oh, you mean the same people who consider Channing Tatum a movie star? You will get no argument from me there.

[BluRayHiDef]

Does anyone know whether or not Zack Snyder helped direct the action scenes in Wonder Woman? I ask because the color pallette and the snippets of action that we've seen in the trailers and TV spots are characteristic of his style. The vibrant colors of Themiscyra are reminiscent of those of the setting in BvS at which Kryptonite is discovered and of the few other vibrant aspects of BvS' color pallette. Also, the use of slow motion and the style of choreography in the WW's action sequences as shown in the trailers are right up his ally.

[The Debts]

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