The Shining (1980)

[Marv Inc.]

Originally Posted by fontcow

For those who like podcasts, The Projection Booth did The Shining this week.

http://projection-booth.blogspot.com...2-shining.html

Listened to it this week while i was at work. Another great one.

[fontcow]

Originally Posted by Marv Inc.

Listened to it this week while i was at work. Another great one.

I listened to the first third while mowing the lawn yesterday and will get to the rest of it this week while driving to and from work.

[BladeRunner2007]

I've seen this movie countless times and I always loved it. But I've seen the American Cut only 2 times so far. And I really have to say, for me, it might actually be the closest thing to perfection a movie has ever come to. Especially the American Cut. Infinite/5 haunted hotels

[Blu-21]

One of the elements I liked about the mini-series is that it takes its time with the characters, the tone and the overall story. Sure its flawed but I like the gradual build up, makes the climax feel more rewarding. That's why I prefer the longer cut version of the movie, the shorter cut feels too rushed in places.

[BladeRunner2007]

Has the US Blu-ray also this weird color tinkering going on?!

The ball is supposed to be yellow, as are some of his toys. Yet, on the blu-ray they are pink!

Blu-ray:


DVD:

[Benh911f]

Yes, the ball looks pink in the US version as well.

[BladeRunner2007]

Originally Posted by Benh911f

Yes, the ball looks pink in the US version as well.

Thanks! Such a bummer. I'll stick to my US DVD then, since I prefer the movie in full screen anyway

[jlyon1515]

Originally Posted by BladeRunner2007

Has the US Blu-ray also this weird color tinkering going on?!

The ball is supposed to be yellow, as are some of his toys. Yet, on the blu-ray they are pink!

[Show spoiler]Blu-ray:


DVD:

I've noticed this before as well, and it's totally baffling to me. All other colors in the scene seem to be relatively accurate. In fact, comparing the sweaters in the screenshots, it looks like there is MORE yellow in the version with the wrong ball color.

[MassiveMovieBuff]

The Shining is Kubrick's masterpiece IMHO. Its also one of the greatest horror films ever made as its in my top 10 greatest horror films list. Jack Nicholson's outstanding performance alone is worth the price of admission. Its very creepy, dark and eerie with gorgeous cinematography, production design and locations. The score is excellent as well. Speaking of the score, the score used for the trailer is just brilliant. The Shining is a 5 star film.

I was able to catch a screening for The Shining a couple years ago and boy was it ever a treat!

[myway]

Hi all. This may be slightly OT but I think it fits in under the guise of comparing the US vs European Cut of the movie. I'm reading Doctor Sleep now and even though I own the Miniseries as well, it's images from this movie that primarily come to mind whenever Danny has a flashback to the Overlook, Jack Torrance, etc. Stephen King was just wrong with regard to the changes that Kubrick made in adapting the story for film. With that being said, huge caveat, I've only ever seen the US Version.

If I understand the cuts correctly, almost all of the references to Jack's alcoholism were cut in the European Version? If that's true, and if Stephen King was basing his criticism on that Version then it's hard for me to imagine disagreeing with him.

I'm curious to hear from anyone who's seen the European Cut; how much if at all does Jack's alcoholism come through in that version?

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by myway

Hi all. This may be slightly OT but I think it fits in under the guise of comparing the US vs European Cut of the movie. I'm reading Doctor Sleep now and even though I own the Miniseries as well, it's images from this movie that primarily come to mind whenever Danny has a flashback to the Overlook, Jack Torrance, etc. Stephen King was just wrong with regard to the changes that Kubrick made in adapting the story for film. With that being said, huge caveat, I've only ever seen the US Version.

If I understand the cuts correctly, almost all of the references to Jack's alcoholism were cut in the European Version? If that's true, and if Stephen King was basing his criticism on that Version then it's hard for me to imagine disagreeing with him.

I'm curious to hear from anyone who's seen the European Cut; how much if at all does Jack's alcoholism come through in that version?

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=1215

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by myway

Hi all. This may be slightly OT but I think it fits in under the guise of comparing the US vs European Cut of the movie. I'm reading Doctor Sleep now and even though I own the Miniseries as well, it's images from this movie that primarily come to mind whenever Danny has a flashback to the Overlook, Jack Torrance, etc. Stephen King was just wrong with regard to the changes that Kubrick made in adapting the story for film. With that being said, huge caveat, I've only ever seen the US Version.

If I understand the cuts correctly, almost all of the references to Jack's alcoholism were cut in the European Version? If that's true, and if Stephen King was basing his criticism on that Version then it's hard for me to imagine disagreeing with him.

I'm curious to hear from anyone who's seen the European Cut; how much if at all does Jack's alcoholism come through in that version?

Jack's alcoholism is still referenced in the EU cut but it's majorly toned down.

[thatguamguy]

Originally Posted by myway

If that's true, and if Stephen King was basing his criticism on that Version then it's hard for me to imagine disagreeing with him.

There is no reason to think that Stephen King would've seen the UK cut (I suppose that it is technically possible that he saw the original longer US cut and hated it so much that he never saw either of the subsequent cuts). The reason King hates the movie is that the book is (in a nutshell) because the book is about how awful and tragic it is to be a violent alcoholic with a family and the movie is about how awful and tragic it is to be in a family with a violent alcoholic. Given that he was not only the author of the violent alcoholic in question, but also a violent alcoholic in the midst of his own slow self-destruction, you can see why the change would feel very personal to him.

Basically, King wrote that Jack broke his son's arm in a drunken rage, and even that was not enough to make him quit drinking, and when Kubrick read that, he decided the character made for a better villain than protagonist. One recurring thing through most of Kubrick's films is that he takes subjective novels and makes them more apparently objective, so "Barry Lyndon" goes from a first person unreliable narrator to a third person detached narrator looking back on a life he himself had nothing to do with (though possibly still unreliable), or "Spartacus" goes from a series of witness interviews about Spartacus with no first-person testimony to a more traditional protagonist-focused storyline. And I think he applied the same logic to "The Shining" even though it wasn't, strictly speaking, a first person narrative.

[Eye Candy]

For me, the Main Character of Kubrick's Shining is the haunted Overlook Hotel.

If all this alcoholic rage had occurred somewhere else, the film would not be as near interesting to me. I loathe the TV adaptation, for the story, and I did not care for the lead actor.

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by thatguamguy

One recurring thing through most of Kubrick's films is that he takes subjective novels and makes them more apparently objective, so "Barry Lyndon" goes from a first person unreliable narrator to a third person detached narrator looking back on a life he himself had nothing to do with (though possibly still unreliable), or "Spartacus" goes from a series of witness interviews about Spartacus with no first-person testimony to a more traditional protagonist-focused storyline. And I think he applied the same logic to "The Shining" even though it wasn't, strictly speaking, a first person narrative.

What I've read suggests he wouldn't have had much, if any, control over the script for Spartacus though. He took it over once it was already filming.

[myway]

True; the idea of a haunted hotel, a place that shines, the telepathy, etc.; that's still the skeleton (no pun intended) of the story regardless, but the idea that Jack also had inner demons that the Hotel feeds off of is brilliant layer that I see no reason to strip away. And knowing that they are trapped with an already unstable man is a great tension setting device that you lose with those cuts. My real opinion on why Kubrick made those cuts? As much of a brilliant auteur as he was, I think he caved to mixed reviews and was trying to tighten the movie up for wider release. There's really no other explanation for removing layers of character development that made it through his already obsessive lens (pun intended) and past scripting, filming and editing. Moreover, if he really thought it was the better cut, I think there would be more than some vague and unsourced quote that Europeans are smarter; that has Snopes written all over it! Lol

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Eye Candy

For me, the Main Character of Kubrick's Shining is the haunted Overlook Hotel.

If all this alcoholic rage had occurred somewhere else, the film would not be as near interesting to me. I loathe the TV adaptation, for the story, and I did not care for the lead actor.

Like most great genre movies the focus is the action/monster/supernatural event, but the subtext is meaningful and clear.

[Eye Candy]

https://apnews.com/ee55356bd42b4e909...-bow-in-Cannes

[Eye Candy]

This Pinterest link has lots of behind the scenes photos:

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/483996291174871557/

[Eye Candy]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

The luggage was transported by plane by arrangement of the hotel proprietor to help the Torrance's move in.
He is asking if the assistants have done their jobs.

I found the answer tonight with an Imgur entry: http://imgur.com/rRbdP1H

The helicopter footage shot for the title sequence was originally intended to be used only for that sequence. For the later sequence where Jack Torrance returns to The Overlook with Wendy and Danny, Kubrick had originally planned to use a series of ground-based shots showing the yellow Volkswagen towing a small trailer with the family’s possessions. Those shots were filmed by the 2nd unit crew, but during the editing process, Kubrick decided not to use them. He instead made use of more of the footage that had been shot for the title sequence. Many have speculated as to how the Torrance family could have possibly brought all the luggage shown in the hotel’s lobby when they arrive. This explanation answers that question.

2nd Unit camera operator Jeff Blyth, Jeff’s wife, and their camera assistant doubling for the Torrance family in many unused shots of the car and wearing costumes from the film.