What can we expect to see at CES 2018

[Archivy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

You like that? Blech.

I don't like the feet design and have worries that it will not fit on my TV stand, worries that I would not have had if the display instead were supported by a center pedestal like last year.

[philochs]

Originally Posted by DJR662

I still expect Sony will come up with at least one high end LCD TV later this year (possibly follow up to Z9D), which will make use of the new X1 Ultimate processor chip. I also think they might release another DV capable UHD player to go with that.

Pure speculation on my part, hope it will come true though.

It's not possible. Sony is still calling the Z9D their flagship 2018 model. The new X1 Ultimate processor chip is a prototype, and it's specifically designed to power 8K, along with 10,000 nits. So this new chip with 8K processing capabilities won't ever be paired with a 4K display. Sony is only replacing the Z9D with a future 10,000nit/8K monster display.

Now that Apple is behind AV1 codec, what happens if streaming goes 8K/10,000nit mastered Dolby Vision? What if UHD Blu-ray got stuck with a lesser form of Dolby Vision? Does the BDA spec need to be updated for 10,000 nit mastered content, I wouldn't know. AV1 will blur the lines between streaming and disc a bit further though, as it's 25% more efficient than HEVC.

[Jameron4eva]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

I know, but still it's unreal that we have: HDR10, HDR10+, Dolby Vision, HLG, so it would actually be the fifth standard.. What are they thinking?

Technically HDR10+ is an upgrade, not it's own format.

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I can't help but think of this smilie, and not in a good way:

It's like it's got little leggies, it looks stupid. Gimme a pedestal stand any day.

I live in an earthquake zone. I feel better with the pedestal on my Z9D, thank you!

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by philochs

It's not possible. Sony is still calling the Z9D their flagship 2018 model. The new X1 Ultimate processor chip is a prototype, and it's specifically designed to power 8K, along with 10,000 nits. So this new chip with 8K processing capabilities won't ever be paired with a 4K display. Sony is only replacing the Z9D with a future 10,000nit/8K monster display.

Now that Apple is behind AV1 codec, what happens if streaming goes 8K/10,000nit mastered Dolby Vision? What if UHD Blu-ray got stuck with a lesser form of Dolby Vision? Does the BDA spec need to be updated for 10,000 nit mastered content, I wouldn't know. AV1 will blur the lines between streaming and disc a bit further though, as it's 25% more efficient than HEVC.

Where does it say the Z9D continues to be the flagship model? Only thing I've read is that the 100" Z9D will still be available this year.

I know about that 10.000 nits prototype but not that the X1 U itself is a prototype. Nor that it's designed only for 8K TVs. Did I miss something?

If what you're saying is true about the Z9D only being replaced by a future 8K TV, then I guess I'm good to go till then. I certainly wouldn't mind, saves me from doing another 4K upgrade before 8K.

And as far as I am concerned, streaming will never be a substitute for physical media.

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

I see Denon now out with the $3999 AVR-X8500H, Marantz has the $4,499.00 AV-8805 Preamp​​​​​​​ both are 13.2 channel based

Looking at the dimensions the AVR-X8500 is now 18.7" depth, compare to the the x7200's 17.2" depth. The width and height are the same.

I spent some time today with these new receivers at CES. They look beautiful!

Denon builds the AVR-X8500H in Black and a limited allocation in the beautiful Champaign finish. Champaign dealer authorization is very limited. Here's a photo I took at CES today of the X8500H in Champaign.

[LordoftheRings]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFyE...ature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1LL...ature=youtu.be

• Weight: 39.24lbs
• Power Consumption in W: 900 Watts
• Number of Power Amps: 13
• Max Number of Processing (Preamp) Channels: 13.2
• Number of Speaker Terminals: 15
• Main Power Transformer type: E-I-Core
• Total Capacitance in Microfarad: 22,000µF x 2 = 44,000µF
• Voltage (Main Caps): 80 Volts

☢ http://www.areadvd.de/tests/special-...uer-3-499-eur/

Beautiful, simple front face design; I like a lot, my style.

[philochs]

Originally Posted by DJR662

Where does it say the Z9D continues to be the flagship model? Only thing I've read is that the 100" Z9D will still be available this year.

At CES 2018, when they showed off the prototype tv, there was info, you could read with it, it's included there:

[Show spoiler]

I know about that 10.000 nits prototype but not that the X1 U itself is a prototype. Nor that it's designed only for 8K TVs. Did I miss something?

The 85" 8K tv itself, and the X1U processor that runs it are both prototypes at the moment. The X1U is exactly twice as powerful as the X1E and the two major benefits that have been announced for it so far are 8K processing and 10,000 nits. Every single tv that Sony adds the X1U into will be 8K and 10,000 nits.

If what you're saying is true about the Z9D only being replaced by a future 8K TV, then I guess I'm good to go till then. I certainly wouldn't mind, saves me from doing another 4K upgrade before 8K.

Yep, I guess you're good. It seems a strange upgrading strategy, I'd never have guessed. But I cannot imagine how much Sony will charge for their 8K/10,000 nit replacement to the Z9D, but I guess it'll be expensive, since it's the best HDR tv on the horizon. Self-emitting is going to be second fiddle to LCD for a longtime to come, after Sony drops these beasts into the wild.

And as far as I am concerned, streaming will never be a substitute for physical media.

I agree, I just said it will blur the lines a little closer, but with many caveats.

[LordoftheRings]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgix...ature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUQ-...ature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82jz...ature=youtu.be

[JohnAV]

LG's 'OLED Canyon' perfectly symbolizes the excess of CES 2018 - Mashable

Did we really need this?



LG Electronics must have had something to prove this year at CES because it went over the top with its long, winding, 92-foot-long "OLED Canyon" made up of more than 240 displays.

Okay, fine. It's really, really pretty. But it just seems like a gigantic waste of energy — even in a place with enough gadgets and gizmos to outshine the Las Vegas Strip. This pathway is bright as hell.

The canyon experience is a follow up to LG's extremely successful "OLED Tunnel" that premiered at CES 2016. This year, eager to build something just as Instagram-friendly, LG decided to give us a haunted house-style walkthrough experience.

Lines built up quickly, and it's practically impossible to get a good photo because literally everyone is holding up their phone as they walk through. Somehow, we managed.


Besides the eye-popping brightness of the displays, there's really not much to the experience. You hear the loud sound of water falling and a bird caw — but that's about it.

It's basically like the world's worst amusement park ride. I mean, the least LG could do is push me through the 92-foot experience so I don't have to walk myself. My feet are killing me!

I thought it was a interesting example concerning modular display stacking also showing off the flexible OLED's. Just wonder how they can top this.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by philochs

It's not possible. Sony is still calling the Z9D their flagship 2018 model. The new X1 Ultimate processor chip is a prototype, and it's specifically designed to power 8K, along with 10,000 nits. So this new chip with 8K processing capabilities won't ever be paired with a 4K display. Sony is only replacing the Z9D with a future 10,000nit/8K monster display.

Now that Apple is behind AV1 codec, what happens if streaming goes 8K/10,000nit mastered Dolby Vision? What if UHD Blu-ray got stuck with a lesser form of Dolby Vision? Does the BDA spec need to be updated for 10,000 nit mastered content, I wouldn't know. AV1 will blur the lines between streaming and disc a bit further though, as it's 25% more efficient than HEVC.

You can find 10,000-nit content on a UHD Blu-ray disc right now, just type in 7669 on the menu on a Sony disc and you'll get a 0-10,000 ramp in poor old HDR10. It's a total myth that HDR10 or DV can't do 10K nit content because that's the fundamental nature of the Perceptual Quantizer EOTF which is the basis of both: it's designed to operate in BT.2020 and in 10K nits. But that container does NOT have to be filled to the brim in either nits or colour and this is what the metadata is there to do, to signal just how much of that container is being utilised with min/max nits, white point and colour primaries (P3 mastering gamut in the case of current UHD HDR discs). As the mastering gets more adventurous then the metadata will be adjusted accordingly and UHD Blu-ray will be just fine.

The reason why Sony are creating a new processor - aside from tech rarely standing still - is for 8K as much as anything, the reference to 10K nits is to allow the processing to display such levels without compromise, unlike the tone mapping in current Sony sets. But you don't get "the full HDR brightness specification of 10000 nits" from a processor alone, this prototype must also be able to physically resolve such brightness levels.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

You can find 10,000-nit content on a UHD Blu-ray disc right now, just type in 7669 on the menu on a Sony disc and you'll get a 0-10,000 ramp in poor old HDR10. It's a total myth that HDR10 or DV can't do 10K nit content because that's the fundamental nature of the Perceptual Quantizer EOTF which is the basis of both: it's designed to operate in BT.2020 and in 10K nits. But that container does NOT have to be filled to the brim in either nits or colour and this is what the metadata is there to do, to signal just how much of that container is being utilised with min/max nits, white point and colour primaries (P3 mastering gamut in the case of current UHD HDR discs). As the mastering gets more adventurous then the metadata will be adjusted accordingly and UHD Blu-ray will be just fine.

The reason why Sony are creating a new processor - aside from tech rarely standing still - is for 8K as much as anything, the reference to 10K nits is to allow the processing to display such levels without compromise, unlike the tone mapping in current Sony sets. But you don't get "the full HDR brightness specification of 10000 nits" from a processor alone, this prototype must also be able to physically resolve such brightness levels.

Will you be sticking with the Z9D for now and wait and see what the future/Sony will bring, Geoff?

[elwaylite]

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by DJR662

Will you be sticking with the Z9D for now and wait and see what the future/Sony will bring, Geoff?

My ZD9 is going nowhere, and seeing as Sony are still using it as part of the marketing spiel for their X1U 10K-nit prototype (as in, "it's better than the ZD9!") then that speaks volumes as to what they're going to do with it this year, as does them keeping the 100" model current for 2018. Looks like it's going to be a flagship set for the third year running (even if the <100" variants are going to be phased out) so the beast still has plenty of bite.

Besides, while I'll happily chop and change Blu-ray players for a few hundred smackers every year I've never been the sort to do that with TVs which is why I go for the absolute best that I can afford to cover my ass. There's one guy at the AVF who literally upgrades his Sony TV every year, sometimes more than once in a year, and every time he changes it he gushes about how the new one is so superior and that he's sticking with it for sure but EVERY year without fail he upgrades. But we're getting an upgrade of sorts with the Dolby Vision functionality so that's something I'm very much looking forward to putting through its paces, and I'm still exceedingly happy with this TV.

As and when the 8K 10,000-nitter is released then I'll be keeping a very close eye on it but something tells me it won't be released in the sort of screen size or price point that I can accommodate anyway.

[DJR662]

Just saw this:

http://www.4kshooters.net/2018/01/09...row-projector/

Sony LSPX-A1 4K Ultra-Short Throw Projector.

Would very much like to own one someday but that price...

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

My ZD9 is going nowhere, and seeing as Sony are still using it as part of the marketing spiel for their X1U 10K-nit prototype (as in, "it's better than the ZD9!") then that speaks volumes as to what they're going to do with it this year, as does them keeping the 100" model current for 2018. Looks like it's going to be a flagship set for the third year running (even if the <100" variants are going to be phased out) so the beast still has plenty of bite.

Besides, while I'll happily chop and change Blu-ray players for a few hundred smackers every year I've never been the sort to do that with TVs which is why I go for the absolute best that I can afford to cover my ass. There's one guy at the AVF who literally upgrades his Sony TV every year, sometimes more than once in a year, and every time he changes it he gushes about how the new one is so superior and that he's sticking with it for sure but EVERY year without fail he upgrades. But we're getting an upgrade of sorts with the Dolby Vision functionality so that's something I'm very much looking forward to putting through its paces, and I'm still exceedingly happy with this TV.

As and when the 8K 10,000-nitter is released then I'll be keeping a very close eye on it but something tells me it won't be released in the sort of screen size or price point that I can accommodate anyway.

I'm also very happy with my ZD9. Wouldn't want to trade it for the world. But like you I also will be keeping an eye out on Sony's first 8K set. If it's really like that prototype that was shown, then I guess we're in for a real treat in a couple of years.

[Geoff D]

The next few years are going to be a hell of a time for HDR in general. All the growing pains it's suffered will be worth it in the end.

[elwaylite]

Whats nice though, is 2017 and 2018 are pretty golden, HDR10 and DV are matured nicely, PQ and calibration ability is very nice among Sony and LG. Good times.

It was a rough couple of years when plasma died and all you had was highly expensive OLED and displays that did UHD and not HDR, still waiting on HDMI to work out. Now its fixing to get all jumbled again with HDMI 2.1, but I am not upgrading all my gear any time soon. HDR10 and DV are just fine for me.

[Vangeli]

Yeah, HDMI 2.1 is a requirement for me to upgrade at this point.

[elwaylite]

When you start talking about $500 players, $2000 AVR's, on top of a new display, 2.1 can kiss my... right now.

I am so happy with HDR and UHD right now, you can't make me care.