Harry Potter 1-8 4K UHD (2001-2011) - Page 178 - Blu-ray Forum

Geoff D · 02-09-2018, 03:24 PM

I didn't notice anything like that at all

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...t#post14539348

I think there's a bit of grain processing smudginess that's built into these DIs for sure, it was very noticeable on Hallows pt 1 but other than that...?

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...7#post14572407

imsounoriginal · 02-09-2018, 03:29 PM

Noticed nothing smudgy about DH1, that disc was purdy. Will look for it next time.

Geoff D · 02-09-2018, 04:13 PM

It's got a chronic problem with frozen grain in skies, on people's faces and whatnot.

HeavyHitter · 02-09-2018, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I didn't notice anything like that at all

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...t#post14539348

I think there's a bit of grain processing smudginess that's built into these DIs for sure, it was very noticeable on Hallows pt 1 but other than that...?

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...7#post14572407

I found the HDR and color fine (color a clear improvement over the BD), but having watched Prisoner of Prisoner of Azkaban the night before last, I was much, much more impressed with that DI. But Goblet definitely looks better than the BD, overall.

But hard to explain with what I was seeing with Goblet in regards to the smudginess and softness in motion. But it just didn't look right. I wish I could photograph some of the scenes, but not sure my Galaxy 8 will capture it properly. Maybe I will still try or find timestamps.

Brian81 · 02-09-2018, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian81

Does anyone know?

Nevermind. I found my answer here: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=528

I guess the Extendeds are only available on BD in the US. So no extended 'Philosopher's Stone' on BD.

Geoff D · 02-09-2018, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian81

Nevermind. I found my answer here: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=528

I guess the Extendeds are only available on BD in the US. So no extended 'Philosopher's Stone' on BD.

If you buy the Wizards or Hogwarts Collections then the extended cut BDs for both Stone and Chamber ARE in those packages, but AFAIK you cannot get them on BD in an official UK release any other way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

I found the HDR and color fine (color a clear improvement over the BD), but having watched Prisoner of Prisoner of Azkaban the night before last, I was much, much more impressed with that DI. But Goblet definitely looks better than the BD, overall.

But hard to explain with what I was seeing with Goblet in regards to the smudginess and softness in motion. But it just didn't look right. I wish I could photograph some of the scenes, but not sure my Galaxy 8 will capture it properly. Maybe I will still try or find timestamps.

Cool beans, I'd like to have a look.

andreasy969 · 02-10-2018, 10:09 PM

Chamber Of Secrets (since the review is still without caps)

Just lovely imo.

And the BD is even worse than I already thought when I was comparing on my projector.

UHD-BD (SDR 200 nits) left, BD right:

StarkRomanoff · 02-10-2018, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andreasy969

Chamber Of Secrets (since the review is still without caps)

Just lovely imo.

And the BD is even worse than I already thought when I was comparing on my projector.

UHD-BD (SDR 200 nits) left, BD right:

[Show spoiler]

Based on these screencaps alone, I can't see either the blu or UHD as being superior. I see improvements in both from the last time I watched CoS (theater screening, projection, not sure if it was the blu or DCP) and prefer some alterations to others.

For example, on the blu, I like the contrast and brightness of skin tones/the paper/backgrounds and saturation in the green floo powder...But on the UHD, I prefer the last two caps and the more natural (not weird purple) skin tones. I'm also seeing crushed blacks in the UHD more than the blu.

Shalashaska · 02-10-2018, 11:32 PM

The difference in contrast in those last two shots is amazing.

Joce · 02-10-2018, 11:44 PM

Thanks for the caps. Even with a 1080p monitor i can see that the UHD BD is far superior in term of details compared to the BD.

TpFox · 02-11-2018, 08:20 AM

That BD looks like trash now, wtf are those purple skin tones??

IXOYE1989 · 02-11-2018, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andreasy969

Chamber Of Secrets (since the review is still without caps)

Just lovely imo.

And the BD is even worse than I already thought when I was comparing on my projector.

UHD-BD (SDR 200 nits) left, BD right:

[Show spoiler]

When it comes to comparing UHD-BD to BD, why do most people compare with SDR as opposed to HDR? Is it to show the true quality on the UHD-BD without any of the HDR (like apples to apples)? Was just curious as to why they're compared that way. Guessing they look even better with HDR, right?

koberulz · 02-11-2018, 09:09 AM

Does your computer have an HDR monitor?

andreasy969 · 02-11-2018, 03:36 PM

I received a question reg. "missing details" in the green fire shot as compared to the BD and decided to show you what is happing with SDR conversion and what everyone should always be aware of.

top to bottom: target display nits 120, 200, 380, 1000, 10.000
left vs. right: compressed vs. clipped highlights

I think the 120 nits vs. 200 nits will answer some "crushed blacks" comments. 120 nits (that's the min value) should be closer to the BD, but is imo worse than the 200 nits default, because it clips too early imo.

With clipped vs. compressed you can clearly see what gets compressed in the compressed version. But, like I said before, clipped tends to look like shit with 200 nits shots.

That's why I use compressed highlights.

Top to bottom you can see how the clipping disappears and how the highlights become visible again.

Other than that, I always welcome comments reg. HDR highlights that got lost in the SDR conversion. Unfortunately, one cannot really avoid this with SDR shots and HDR shots are not very helpful either until everyone has a HDR monitor.

I hope this will help understanding the HDR=>SDR shots better. It's all new to me as well and the main focus should be on detail anyway (even though I think that the SDR conversion does give you at least a very good idea reg. color and contrast as well).

Geoff D · 02-11-2018, 06:56 PM

Superb post, and it proves what I've been saying for a while about the black level of HDR caps also being affected by the SDR conversion. Okay, it's more that the gamma is what's being changed in the varying SDR transforms but the net result is the same, with more of a "crush" to the blacks the further out you go. These images are only 8-bit sRGB too (sRGB is basically the exact same gamut as 709) so while they do indeed illustrate the colour differences between old and new they're still not wholly indicative of the 10-bit P3 mastering.

Basically everything apart from sheer spatial resolution should be taken with a pinch of salt in SDR converted caps. Great for a quick looky-see, utterly lousy for gauging the true extent of the HDR. I'm not having a pop at you andreas, I've been saying this for a while now: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...6#post12937666

Whistlepig75 · 02-11-2018, 10:20 PM

Do these redeem in 4K yet anywhere besides Fandango ? I scanned a few pages and did not see anything besides posting from a few months ago .

IXOYE1989 · 02-11-2018, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whistlepig75

Do these redeem in 4K yet anywhere besides Fandango ? I scanned a few pages and did not see anything besides posting from a few months ago .

They redeem in 4K directly through VUDU.

Legend293 · 02-12-2018, 07:31 AM

So the 4k disc doesnt have the extended version only the blu ray disc?

Mr. Forest · 02-12-2018, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whistlepig75

Do these redeem in 4K yet anywhere besides Fandango ? I scanned a few pages and did not see anything besides posting from a few months ago .

I redeemed all eight films through Movies Anywhere and got the 4K copies for any linked digital service that offers 4K video.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legend293

So the 4k disc doesnt have the extended version only the blu ray disc?

That is correct.

Maverick177uk · 02-13-2018, 09:29 AM

Hi guys I’m from the U.K., I’m lookin* to get digital copies of the 4K films, how do I redeem the U.K. codes to get them into iTunes, I know the US version goes into VUDU and then ports to iTunes in 4k, but what about the U.K. version? Flixster in the U.K. as far as I know doesn’t do 4K. Can I put the U.K. versions into Vudu and use on my US ITunes account? I know the first film has a different name, who would I have to contact about that if it’s at all possible?

02-11-2018, 06:56 PM	#3555
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1350 Blu-ray collection:2527 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	Superb post, and it proves what I've been saying for a while about the black level of HDR caps also being affected by the SDR conversion. Okay, it's more that the gamma is what's being changed in the varying SDR transforms but the net result is the same, with more of a "crush" to the blacks the further out you go. These images are only 8-bit sRGB too (sRGB is basically the exact same gamut as 709) so while they do indeed illustrate the colour differences between old and new they're still not wholly indicative of the 10-bit P3 mastering. Basically everything apart from sheer spatial resolution should be taken with a pinch of salt in SDR converted caps. Great for a quick looky-see, utterly lousy for gauging the true extent of the HDR. I'm not having a pop at you andreas, I've been saying this for a while now: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...6#post12937666 Last edited by Geoff D; 02-11-2018 at 07:04 PM.

02-09-2018, 03:24 PM	#3541
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1350 Blu-ray collection:2527 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	I didn't notice anything like that at all https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...t#post14539348 I think there's a bit of grain processing smudginess that's built into these DIs for sure, it was very noticeable on Hallows pt 1 but other than that...? https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...7#post14572407

02-09-2018, 03:29 PM	#3542
imsounoriginal Blu-ray Grand Duke Top contributor Member since:Dec 2008 Location:NYC 4K collection:322 Blu-ray collection:950 DVD collection:70 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:59	Noticed nothing smudgy about DH1, that disc was purdy. Will look for it next time.

02-09-2018, 04:13 PM	#3543
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1350 Blu-ray collection:2527 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	It's got a chronic problem with frozen grain in skies, on people's faces and whatnot.

02-10-2018, 10:09 PM	#3547
andreasy969 Blu-ray Knight Member since:Aug 2008 Trading Score:126	Chamber Of Secrets (since the review is still without caps) Just lovely imo. And the BD is even worse than I already thought when I was comparing on my projector. UHD-BD (SDR 200 nits) left, BD right:

02-10-2018, 11:32 PM	#3549
Shalashaska Senior Member Member since:Jul 2016	The difference in contrast in those last two shots is amazing.

02-10-2018, 11:44 PM	#3550
Joce Active Member Member since:Nov 2010	Thanks for the caps. Even with a 1080p monitor i can see that the UHD BD is far superior in term of details compared to the BD.

02-11-2018, 08:20 AM	#3551
TpFox Active Member Member since:Nov 2017	That BD looks like trash now, wtf are those purple skin tones??

02-11-2018, 09:09 AM	#3553
koberulz Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:May 2016 Location:Australia 4K collection:206 Blu-ray collection:2291 DVD collection:532 Trading Score:17	Does your computer have an HDR monitor?

02-11-2018, 03:36 PM	#3554
andreasy969 Blu-ray Knight Member since:Aug 2008 Trading Score:126	I received a question reg. "missing details" in the green fire shot as compared to the BD and decided to show you what is happing with SDR conversion and what everyone should always be aware of. top to bottom: target display nits 120, 200, 380, 1000, 10.000 left vs. right: compressed vs. clipped highlights I think the 120 nits vs. 200 nits will answer some "crushed blacks" comments. 120 nits (that's the min value) should be closer to the BD, but is imo worse than the 200 nits default, because it clips too early imo. With clipped vs. compressed you can clearly see what gets compressed in the compressed version. But, like I said before, clipped tends to look like shit with 200 nits shots. That's why I use compressed highlights. Top to bottom you can see how the clipping disappears and how the highlights become visible again. Other than that, I always welcome comments reg. HDR highlights that got lost in the SDR conversion. Unfortunately, one cannot really avoid this with SDR shots and HDR shots are not very helpful either until everyone has a HDR monitor. I hope this will help understanding the HDR=>SDR shots better. It's all new to me as well and the main focus should be on detail anyway (even though I think that the SDR conversion does give you at least a very good idea reg. color and contrast as well).

02-11-2018, 10:20 PM	#3556
Whistlepig75 Member Member since:Jan 2015 Location:York,Pa	Do these redeem in 4K yet anywhere besides Fandango ? I scanned a few pages and did not see anything besides posting from a few months ago .

02-12-2018, 07:31 AM	#3558
Legend293 Special Member Member since:Jun 2017	So the 4k disc doesnt have the extended version only the blu ray disc?

02-13-2018, 09:29 AM	#3560
Maverick177uk Member Member since:Jan 2018 Trading Score:114	Hi guys I’m from the U.K., I’m lookin* to get digital copies of the 4K films, how do I redeem the U.K. codes to get them into iTunes, I know the US version goes into VUDU and then ports to iTunes in 4k, but what about the U.K. version? Flixster in the U.K. as far as I know doesn’t do 4K. Can I put the U.K. versions into Vudu and use on my US ITunes account? I know the first film has a different name, who would I have to contact about that if it’s at all possible?

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