PS3 sales up 130% in December!!!

[pmac]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

It doesn't matter what the Wii is doing. It just happens to be selling at a super fast rate. That does not detract from the fact that the PS3 is selling at a faster rate than the X360 from launch. I just don't see how people can give the X360 a pass as if it didn't start the race earlier than everyone else.

It's like three runners are in a marathon race. One starts before everyone else. The other two runners start much later. One runs down the runner that started earlier pretty quickly. The other runner hasn't run down the one that started before everyone else. However, his time to each mile marker is faster than the runner that started before everyone. Why would someone try to say the runner behind is slower than the other two?

Well i just don't think there is the virtual race you refer to. Whether the 360 started first or not doesnt change the fact that it has a bigger user base, and the Ps3 will only catch up (if it ever does) when the sticker prices are more competetive. But that is just what the average , non forum consumer looks at. Plus being that more people have the 360, there will inevitably be more people selling the 360 that have a 360, therefore, have a larger salesman base for influence. the PS3 will have the occasional spike here and there giving the illusion to catching up, but I think that is years away if ever. Fine by me though. keeps the servers less bogged down with a lower install base


On top of it, lets face it...The 360 has a larger games library. Even though my 13yo knows the PS3 is a powerhouse, there are more games on the 360 for him to play.

Personally I won't play games on the 360, and I will only play them on the PS3 at this stasge if the games have trophy support (stupid isnt it) but I find it adds something for me to be able to see as acomplishments. If you wonder why my mind is set for that stupid reason look at my signature and you might sorta understand a little (you would have to be able to read into that to understand my cryptic comment)

EDIT: GAWD I type too much. But I have been wanting to comment on this sort of thing for a while, even though I know that people will still not care about what I say, their mind is set on what it wants, and that is fine by me

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by pmac

Well i just don't think there is the virtual race you refer to. Whether the 360 started first or not doesnt change the fact that it has a bigger user base, and the Ps3 will only catch up (if it ever does) when the sticker prices are more competetive. But that is just what the average , non forum consumer looks at. Plus being that more people have the 360, there will inevitably be more people selling the 360 that have a 360, therefore, have a larger salesman base for influence. the PS3 will have the occasional spike here and there giving the illusion to catching up, but I think that is years away if ever. Fine by me though. keeps the servers less bogged down with a lower install base


On top of it, lets face it...The 360 has a larger games library. Even though my 13yo knows the PS3 is a powerhouse, there are more games on the 360 for him to play.

Personally I won't play games on the 360, and I will only play them on the PS3 at this stasge if the games have trophy support (stupid isnt it) but I find it adds something for me to be able to see as acomplishments. If you wonder why my mind is set for that stupid reason look at my signature and you might sorta understand a little (you would have to be able to read into that to understand my cryptic comment)

EDIT: GAWD I type too much. But I have been wanting to comment on this sort of thing for a while, even though I know that people will still not care about what I say, their mind is set on what it wants, and that is fine by me

Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't 360 widened their lead on PS3 since the PS3 launch? I know the 360 had the head start but it's not like the PS3 has been closing in on the 360's lead either. To me, that's the real tell tale story.

[pmac]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't 360 widened their lead on PS3 since the PS3 launch? I know the 360 had the head start but it's not like the PS3 has been closing in on the 360's lead either. To me, that's the real tell tale story.

I have no doubt you are correct!

[york weir]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't 360 widened their lead on PS3 since the PS3 launch? I know the 360 had the head start but it's not like the PS3 has been closing in on the 360's lead either. To me, that's the real tell tale story.

There were a few months in 2008 where the PS3 was gaining but overall the lead has extended.

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't 360 widened their lead on PS3 since the PS3 launch? I know the 360 had the head start but it's not like the PS3 has been closing in on the 360's lead either. To me, that's the real tell tale story.

Actually, that's incorrect. It was down to 5 million just a few months ago. That shows how quick 2 to 3 million units can be shifted and the PS3 has 7 more years on the market.

[Elandyll]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't 360 widened their lead on PS3 since the PS3 launch? I know the 360 had the head start but it's not like the PS3 has been closing in on the 360's lead either. To me, that's the real tell tale story.

Actually, as it had been demonstrated earlier, the PS3 had been closing in during most of 2008 until October hit with the price cut (2nd in a year for the 360 on many markets).

This being said, numbers (from MS no less) don't lie.

360 has sold 28Million boxes in 3 years, while the PS3 has sold 20 million in 2, worldwide.
Those 2 numbers might be shipped boxes for both though.

[Musashi]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't 360 widened their lead on PS3 since the PS3 launch? I know the 360 had the head start but it's not like the PS3 has been closing in on the 360's lead either. To me, that's the real tell tale story.

Real sources I've seen suggest just the opposite. THe PS3 has sold more working systems per month. The MS lead probably widened in America, but PS3 has an edge in Europe, and an insurmountable lead in Japan.

[Avarice]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't 360 widened their lead on PS3 since the PS3 launch? I know the 360 had the head start but it's not like the PS3 has been closing in on the 360's lead either. To me, that's the real tell tale story.

Actually when ps3 launched 360 had 11 million units at that time, so theoretically the margin has "shrunk"

[Proteus]

I concur with Pmac.

I've stated it myself in many many threads on these forums over the past couple years.

Sony's only real issue with market penetration of the PS3 has been a lack of quality marketing that normal everyday people will 'get'. The edgy/artsy ads are fun but any marketing person worth a pinch of salt knows that those ads are never as effective as simpler concoctions... They are simply a brand building exercise. I think the Playstation brand is firmed up quite enough right now and people need to see what it is exactly that makes the PS3 so special instead of relying on word of mouth and unpredictable sales reps at shopping malls.

The root of the problem here is the PS2; however. It needs to die. It is the reason why Sony is stuck on brand building ads and the reason the PS3 has not seen the push it needs to. The cold hard truth is that the PS2 is a 'cash cow' with extraordinary profitability for Sony and they simply are too afraid to let that go and gamble on the PS3 making up for it at this time. The PS3 will truly begin to shine when Sony can let go of the PS2. Until then, it's going to be mediocre marketing at best.

Per 360's, my buddy bought a Arcade as a backup to his normal one after having to send it in a couple times. I don't think anyone with any foresight would _not_ get a backup Arcade near the end of their warranty simply because they would be gambling their entire game library on the console. That's quite an investment to throw away. Once the warranty is up or the replacement time is too long, the Arcade with the ol' harddrive swap in option becomes quite compelling as a stop gap. I'm VERY certain that a substantial portion of 360 sales are to individuals who already own one; ergo, it's still only one household. It would be much more interesting to somehow find the data to determine how many households have one or more 360/PS3's instead. In fact, a compelling sample that may be indicative of that statistic could be the PSN vs. Live participations; however, they have their own issues to weed through.

[Uniquely]

Originally Posted by Proteus

I concur with Pmac.

I've stated it myself in many many threads on these forums over the past couple years.

Sony's only real issue with market penetration of the PS3 has been a lack of quality marketing that normal everyday people will 'get'. The edgy/artsy ads are fun but any marketing person worth a pinch of salt knows that those ads are never as effective as simpler concoctions... They are simply a brand building exercise. I think the Playstation brand is firmed up quite enough right now and people need to see what it is exactly that makes the PS3 so special instead of relying on word of mouth and unpredictable sales reps at shopping malls.

The root of the problem here is the PS2; however. It needs to die. It is the reason why Sony is stuck on brand building ads and the reason the PS3 has not seen the push it needs to. The cold hard truth is that the PS2 is a 'cash cow' with extraordinary profitability for Sony and they simply are too afraid to let that go and gamble on the PS3 making up for it at this time. The PS3 will truly begin to shine when Sony can let go of the PS2. Until then, it's going to be mediocre marketing at best.

Per 360's, my buddy bought a Arcade as a backup to his normal one after having to send it in a couple times. I don't think anyone with any foresight would _not_ get a backup Arcade near the end of their warranty simply because they would be gambling their entire game library on the console. That's quite an investment to throw away. Once the warranty is up or the replacement time is too long, the Arcade with the ol' harddrive swap in option becomes quite compelling as a stop gap. I'm VERY certain that a substantial portion of 360 sales are to individuals who already own one; ergo, it's still only one household. It would be much more interesting to somehow find the data to determine how many households have one or more 360/PS3's instead. In fact, a compelling sample that may be indicative of that statistic could be the PSN vs. Live participations; however, they have their own issues to weed through.

Very thoughtful and intelligent post! I think you are spot on with almost everything you said.

I would add that there probably are more households with multiple 360's than multiple PS3's. I'm also sure a lot of multiple 360 homes are primarily for having a back up unit..... but there also a lot of people who have multiple 360's because they wanted/needed them. I bought the Elite as soon as it came out because I really wanted the space for tv shows I was downloading. Then I moved my launch unit to my game room where I use it as a media server, and my wife uses it for it's dvr funtions and now Netflix as well. It was nice to though to have a back-up already in home when my launch unit did ring out three days later because I'd stuck it in a place with really baaaaad ventilation.

[Blu-Generation]

Can we stop talking about the other console, post after post, please...

[Porfie]

Originally Posted by Proteus

I concur with Pmac.

I've stated it myself in many many threads on these forums over the past couple years.

Sony's only real issue with market penetration of the PS3 has been a lack of quality marketing that normal everyday people will 'get'. The edgy/artsy ads are fun but any marketing person worth a pinch of salt knows that those ads are never as effective as simpler concoctions... They are simply a brand building exercise. I think the Playstation brand is firmed up quite enough right now and people need to see what it is exactly that makes the PS3 so special instead of relying on word of mouth and unpredictable sales reps at shopping malls.

The root of the problem here is the PS2; however. It needs to die. It is the reason why Sony is stuck on brand building ads and the reason the PS3 has not seen the push it needs to. The cold hard truth is that the PS2 is a 'cash cow' with extraordinary profitability for Sony and they simply are too afraid to let that go and gamble on the PS3 making up for it at this time. The PS3 will truly begin to shine when Sony can let go of the PS2. Until then, it's going to be mediocre marketing at best.

Per 360's, my buddy bought a Arcade as a backup to his normal one after having to send it in a couple times. I don't think anyone with any foresight would _not_ get a backup Arcade near the end of their warranty simply because they would be gambling their entire game library on the console. That's quite an investment to throw away. Once the warranty is up or the replacement time is too long, the Arcade with the ol' harddrive swap in option becomes quite compelling as a stop gap. I'm VERY certain that a substantial portion of 360 sales are to individuals who already own one; ergo, it's still only one household. It would be much more interesting to somehow find the data to determine how many households have one or more 360/PS3's instead. In fact, a compelling sample that may be indicative of that statistic could be the PSN vs. Live participations; however, they have their own issues to weed through.

Great post! Thanks for sharing!

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by pmac

Well i just don't think there is the virtual race you refer to. Whether the 360 started first or not doesnt change the fact that it has a bigger user base, and the Ps3 will only catch up (if it ever does) when the sticker prices are more competetive. But that is just what the average , non forum consumer looks at. Plus being that more people have the 360, there will inevitably be more people selling the 360 that have a 360, therefore, have a larger salesman base for influence. the PS3 will have the occasional spike here and there giving the illusion to catching up, but I think that is years away if ever. Fine by me though. keeps the servers less bogged down with a lower install base


On top of it, lets face it...The 360 has a larger games library. Even though my 13yo knows the PS3 is a powerhouse, there are more games on the 360 for him to play.

Personally I won't play games on the 360, and I will only play them on the PS3 at this stasge if the games have trophy support (stupid isnt it) but I find it adds something for me to be able to see as acomplishments. If you wonder why my mind is set for that stupid reason look at my signature and you might sorta understand a little (you would have to be able to read into that to understand my cryptic comment)

EDIT: GAWD I type too much. But I have been wanting to comment on this sort of thing for a while, even though I know that people will still not care about what I say, their mind is set on what it wants, and that is fine by me

Non-forum people don't look at install base. The X360 has more games, but are they the games that want to be played? According to the latest graphs, the X360 has the most shovelware BY FAR over the PS3. The most highly rated games for 2008 goes to the PS3. Why use shovelware as a plus for the X360?

Plus, the line up for 2009 looks a lot better than last year, which last year won an award (best exclusives for 2008). When it comes to gaming line ups, I don't know of anyone buying systems based on 2 year old games. Do you know any people like that?