The Matrix 4K UHD (1999)

[LordoftheRings]

He's not aggressive, I've read him long enough to know he's a straight arrow.
And there is no law saying that he can't write a book about the movies and the gear he's passionate about. That's what forums are about, discussions of stuff we love.

That's my opinion, it's not the law of the bible.

The Matrix 4K is the best version, and the best BR version too. ...Till 8K somewhere in time in our galaxy...

[bbwiscfan]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

He's not aggressive, I've read him long enough to know he's a straight arrow.
And there is no law saying that he can't write a book about the movies and the gear he's passionate about. That's what forums are about, discussions of stuff we love.

That's my opinion, it's not the law of the bible.

The Matrix 4K is the best version, and the best BR version too. ...Till 8K somewhere in time in our galaxy...

What you call being passionate I call jamming an opinion down the throat of others, relentlessly, over and over again. But to each his own

[guachi]

Originally Posted by Vilya

To block someone, just visit their public profile by clicking on their member name and look for the little drop down menu titled "User Lists" beneath the large image on that profile page, if they have one, or under their forum name. Within that drop down list is the option to ignore that person.

I have never used this option, but it is good to know where it is located.

I've been involved in online discussions since fall of 1992. I've never blocked anyone, either. People I might have blocked either leave the forum it get hit with the ban hammer.

Every forum is different in how to block someone, so I thank you for the information. Last forum I was visiting just before coming here (a D&D forum) has the block button on the left side in the same section you see information about the poster. I can't tell whether it's a good thing or a bad thing they make it so easy to block someone.

I've learned a ton on this forum. If I had been patient, I could have even saved $8 on The Matrix. But I bought it for $30 and it looks amazing and I don't really regret it.

Umm.. can I at anything else about the movie and get us back on track? The acting is rather pedestrian from basically everyone. Though I think Keanu Reeves does a good job being a proxy for the audience as we go on our journey of finding out what The Matrix is.

[bytor]

And this is why we can't have nice things. Eww grain! Eww uncompressed, dynamic Disney Atmos tracks! Ugh, plebs.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by bbwiscfan

What you call being passionate I call jamming an opinion down the throat of others, relentlessly, over and over again. But to each his own

That's the problem with some people; they want to fight it.
Smart people don't fight, they advance.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Bourne1886

Why don’t you order it on line? That why you’ll have it almost straight away compared to trying to find it in a store which could take forever.

You are right, they have it, and for only $25.
• https://www.amazon.com/Matrix-UHD-BD.../dp/B07BF1Z37P

[Nothing371]

Originally Posted by VonMagnum

Great. Have you SEEN how people respond to my comments and opinions? These are not friendly people. They show me zero respect for anything I say and you want me to be friendly with them?

probably because you consistently post 3pg essays and use this forum as your personal blog.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by VonMagnum

I also believe in treating people with the same respect they have shown me.

I would go further than that. I try to treat people how I would like to be treated myself. I hope to avoid using the perceived bad behavior of others to justify my behaving the same way. Two wrongs do not make a right, as the expression goes.

Notice that I italicized the word "try." I am human; I don't always succeed with my ideals. I still feel I should make the effort, though. I am definitely a work in progress.

Your comments about grain do not bother me nor do your comments about the color timing of The Matrix 4K UHD. The length of your comments are equally of no concern. Be succinct or write a thesis; I do not care.

As with all forum posts, I read only what interests me and for only as long as I remain interested.

[LordoftheRings]

Once someone said to me; Bob, people don't want to read books in forums.
Now I use this: +1

[Alister_M]

A film shot on on spherical 35mm is inevitably going to have more grain than something shot on Super 35 or anamorphic 35mm. That's just how the medium works.

[y2jman]

guys do you think I made a stupid mistake last night I was on amazon and order matrix 4k<-I didn't actually look at what it ment to say shipping 1 or 2 months after amazon prime 2 day shipping thing

now I don't know what this 1,2 months shipping this is but am I really not going to get this item until next month or will I get it this week next or what

maybe I should had just bought this bullmoose 31.97 instead last night

i'm kindof because I never ever order anything on amazon and it saids 1 or 2 months meh

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Alister_M

A film shot on on spherical 35mm is inevitably going to have more grain than something shot on Super 35 or anamorphic 35mm. That's just how the medium works.

Super 35 *is* spherical 35mm, you're just using the whole silent aperture. In terms of the image area used for the final extraction then 2.40 S35 is hardly more than 2-perf Techniscope, and not all that different in terms of acreage than flat 1.85 shot in 4-perf sound (1.85 in 3-perf S35 is another matter).

[Bourne1886]

"Ghostbusters has maybe 2-4x the grain and it doesn't blend well for some reason. It doesn't look much better in 2K either. The previous iTunes copy had far less grain."

So are you saying overall that you don’t like movies shot on film? All movies shoot on film will inevitably have film grain I’m afraid. How much depends on the speed of the film and the natural light etc. Digital doesn’t except when the director adds it for a certain look I think I’m right in saying. If I’m not I’m sure somebody will inform me otherwise, LOL ��

Look at Predator UHE on Blu-ray that had its grain taken away and looked what happened. It was like going to Madam Tussaud’s! Grain = detail, so why take it away if it’s meant to be there. Personally I dont want studios releasing discs like Predator or T2 4K, where it looks like a wax works. I’m not having a go at you as it’s your opinion but I’m sorry I just don’t agree with you.

If you personally want to keep authenticity i.e the way it looks at the cinema like you mentioned with The Matrix colour palette then why don’t you want to keep the grain?

I want the grain because I want the detail. Predator loses so much by turning it into a waxworks edition.

[kbc48fan]

I finally found The Matrix 4K at my local Best Buy store. They had 2 copies left and listed price of $34.99. I was going to get them to price match amazon.com for $24.99 but it actually rang up $18.99. So I was happy with that.

[blahsi]

Originally Posted by kbc48fan

I finally found The Matrix 4K at my local Best Buy store. They had 2 copies left and listed price of $34.99. I was going to get them to price match amazon.com for $24.99 but it actually rang up $18.99. So I was happy with that.

Mine had one copy and they had a price of 21.99. Rang up at 18.99, so I grabbed that and Inception.

[VonMagnum]

Originally Posted by Bourne1886

So are you saying overall that you don’t like movies shot on film?

And people wonder why i get testy...

NO, that is not what I'm saying. I already said "books" worth and yet it's either not enough and/or people are too lazy to read a few paragraphs (that they call books).

My favorite actor is Bogart for God's sake. How could I not like movies shot on film? Liking movies and liking grain are two different things. Some people like grain as it typically reminds them of movies. Younger people growing up with digital probably do not. I've been into photography a long time. I put up with grain. I do not "like" grain. I always used the slowest film I could get away with and stuck to good brands to reduce it.

SO many people think "grain = pixels = detail", but this is not true. Grain is closer to a bad pixel on an LCD monitor. It exists because of an imperfect chemical process that is film. Yes, it's part of the picture, but it's not showing what it's supposed to. It's basically a pixel that isn't the right color. In a field of red 235, it's showing red 220 instead. The chemical didn't come out right. Again, it's the video equivalent of tape noise. It does not exist in nature. Removing it is tricky because you need to recolor en masse and things aren't just a field of red. Edges are tricky.

I said I was fine with The Matrix grain level. I don't even notice it most of the time. The only time I complain about grain is when it's so obtrusive it ruins the movie. Ghostbusters is BAD. It was not that bad at the cinema as others have confirmed. The scan is practically highlighting the grain. If you ENJOY that, have at it. I don't comprehend why some of you think everyone has to agree with each other. If someone can't give ah opinion without being attacked, you're going to have one BORING forum.

I want the grain because I want the detail. Predator loses so much by turning it into a waxworks edition.

You do realize there are places in-between all or nothing and reducing, but preserving detail, right? Most movies have had mild DNR applied and you don't notice at all because you still see grain. You have no comparison to realize how much has been removed. A few over done movies doesn't mean they all lose detail. Grease 4K looks pretty good to me most of the time. It does not preserve all the original grain. Oddly, like The Matrix, it appears to add some new blue tones in places it doesn't belong. The difference is people noticed there.

The problem with 3D is that many feel 3D's ability to make you think you are actually there is ruined by grain, which is why Predator and even Terminator 2 are over done into the "wax" level since they had 3D in mind, not just 4K. Personally, I'd rather have grain than wax which is why I defended Top Gun 3D which chose to preserve the grain instead. Go to that thread on here. You'll find people demanding all grain be removed for 3D.

Hell I find different views on different forums or different sites. 8 guys agreeing with each other here does not a world of 9 billion make.

[fighthefutureofhd]

Whether or not grain is intentional it is there due to the filming/film process. And therefore should be preserved if it part of the original process/theater viewing. All those in favor of grain I'd imagine probably think like me and want to preserve the movie as it was originally intended and shown in theaters. Does that mean including grain on a 4k UHD presentation? Yes. Does the 4K UHD format bring out more grain than maybe was originally shown? Perhaps, but I'm not an expert of these things so I can't say. Does it add more than what was originally there? I would think not. In terms of Ghostbusters, I saw the movie on 4K UHD and did notice grain throughout the movie.

Was it present in theaters? No, but I have a theory about that (which may be wrong so don't tar and feather me please ). I think theater screens being so big allow the picture more space thus allowing the grain to spread out more evenly. To breathe if you will. So to the point that you don't often see it. However, on a small screen at home (which most tv screens in our homes are nowhere near as big as a theater screen) pushes everything in. Thus allowing the grain to be more visible. I never notice grain before the advent of 4K and the home video market. I didn't even know there was such a thing. Which lead me to my theory. The only option at this point is to deal with the grain or don't buy the product. I realize there is an in-between and one can use some mild DNR, but one should never use anything to tamper with the original beyond what is absolutely necessary. Never subtract or add. Just use the means of the new format to bring the presentation as close to theather quality as possible.


Sorry for the long post. I hope you all can forgive me.

[vnguyen]

I believe we also didn't notice film grain in theaters back in the day because theaters used film reels. The video quality in theaters would be a generation removed from the source, thus being a little bit blurrier than what we would get from digital home video.

[BluRayHiDef]

I've come around to accepting grain, particularly because it's said to be an integral part of a well-balanced diet. So, bring on the grain.

[aetherhole]

Originally Posted by VonMagnum

And people wonder why i get testy...

NO, that is not what I'm saying. I already said "books" worth and yet it's either not enough and/or people are too lazy to read a few paragraphs (that they call books).

My favorite actor is Bogart for God's sake. How could I not like movies shot on film? Liking movies and liking grain are two different things. Some people like grain as it typically reminds them of movies. Younger people growing up with digital probably do not. I've been into photography a long time. I put up with grain. I do not "like" grain. I always used the slowest film I could get away with and stuck to good brands to reduce it.

SO many people think "grain = pixels = detail", but this is not true. Grain is closer to a bad pixel on an LCD monitor. It exists because of an imperfect chemical process that is film. Yes, it's part of the picture, but it's not showing what it's supposed to. It's basically a pixel that isn't the right color. In a field of red 235, it's showing red 220 instead. The chemical didn't come out right. Again, it's the video equivalent of tape noise. It does not exist in nature. Removing it is tricky because you need to recolor en masse and things aren't just a field of red. Edges are tricky.

I said I was fine with The Matrix grain level. I don't even notice it most of the time. The only time I complain about grain is when it's so obtrusive it ruins the movie. Ghostbusters is BAD. It was not that bad at the cinema as others have confirmed. The scan is practically highlighting the grain. If you ENJOY that, have at it. I don't comprehend why some of you think everyone has to agree with each other. If someone can't give ah opinion without being attacked, you're going to have one BORING forum.



You do realize there are places in-between all or nothing and reducing, but preserving detail, right? Most movies have had mild DNR applied and you don't notice at all because you still see grain. You have no comparison to realize how much has been removed. A few over done movies doesn't mean they all lose detail. Grease 4K looks pretty good to me most of the time. It does not preserve all the original grain. Oddly, like The Matrix, it appears to add some new blue tones in places it doesn't belong. The difference is people noticed there.

The problem with 3D is that many feel 3D's ability to make you think you are actually there is ruined by grain, which is why Predator and even Terminator 2 are over done into the "wax" level since they had 3D in mind, not just 4K. Personally, I'd rather have grain than wax which is why I defended Top Gun 3D which chose to preserve the grain instead. Go to that thread on here. You'll find people demanding all grain be removed for 3D.

Hell I find different views on different forums or different sites. 8 guys agreeing with each other here does not a world of 9 billion make.

Von, people aren't wondering why you are testy; you really appear to have a very short fuse. You don't like the tone that people use to you or you don't like how immature people reply to you, then be the mature one. Opinions are fine, I state them all the time and not everyone agrees, however I don't do it in a combative way. If someone replies in an antagonistic way, then I try my best to still keep it civil and level-headed on my end. I cannot control how others post, but I can control how I post. I'm not perfect at it, but more often than not, any anger or frustration for an individual I am replying to does not come across so blatantly.

No one is saying you have to agree with one another, but it's the nature and tone of one's disagreement that is in question. Step back, my friend, don't get so worked up! If you've already stated your opinion and people disagreeing keep posting as such, it maybe time to say, "Lets just agree to disagree." Realistically, we are not going to change your mind on many of the subject manners you are arguing and you are not going to change your mind.

We come to enthusiast or hobby forums to find people with like-minded interest. That's just the nature of the forums. If I don't agree with a good number of people, then I don't visit the forum. Or if my experience with a forum is more negative than it is positive, then I leave the forum. Or, if I do choose to stay, I am just less vocal with those opinions and just post more on the stuff I agree with. There are individuals who don't agree with the majority of the people here, on a regular basis, and still visit, but that's their prerogative. They just choose to ignore any arguments and continue on their own merry way.

In any case, you've stated your opinion, just as many people have, maybe it's time we to move off the topic.