Superman: The Movie 4K UHD (1978)

[eddievanhalen]

Originally Posted by LexInHD

FTR, Superman Returns wasn't profitable enough - much of the money was blown on the producers cuts of the pie and a myriad of mystery expenses that don't seem to have materialized on the screen such as the removed Krypton opening sequence that had cost millions to film and finish and WB blew an additional movie's worth of money on world-wide marketing for it - to merit a sequel and the critical drubbing it got from both critics and those who made the damned thing - including Superman himself - ensured it was destined for no sequel. Batman Begins made a significant profit, was critically acclaimed, and had a solid bit of merchandise sales in the form of toys, video games, collectible items, etc., which SR didn't achieve with it's respective offerings.

Mistery expenses? That money was for paying Mr. Spacey's rent boys!

[slask]

Originally Posted by Bourne1886

Pre-Ordered. Day one for me! The only version I haven’t got is the extended cut. I thought that had better picture quality than the previous releases (friend had a copy) so I’m hoping for big things with the 4k. I have always been slightly disappointed with the picture quality of Superman so when I saw the extended cut I was very pleased with the picture quality. I was hoping for a 4k release, so I held out. Glad I did. The 4k should be impressive based on the extendeds picture quality. (Fingers crossed-lol)

The theatrical cut has better picture quality than the extended:
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...=41301&i=6&l=0

And the 4K will include that only.

[Rizor]

Originally Posted by rubystone356

mark your calendar for November 25, 27, and December 3.

https://www.fathomevents.com/events/...th-anniversary

Back on the big screen for 3 nights.

Jacob

Has anyone been to a Fathom event that looked good? The ones I've been to have been YouTube quality at best.

[brownstones19]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

The Devil Wears Prada did not make more money. Not by a long shot. The Devil Wears Prada made $326,551,094 worldwide while Superman Returns made $391,081,192 worldwide. In fact, Superman Returns made money than Batman Begins worldwide. Yet, Batman got two more sequels and Superman got the shaft. YET AGAIN!!! There was no reason they could not have made a sequel to Superman Returns. It would've been better than Man of Steel. Especially, with Bryan Singer behind the camera. I like Zach Synder, but Bryan directs circles around Zach every day. Zach doesn't even have one great comic book movie under his belt like Bryan does. And Bryan's got four (with three of them being quite excellent).

?

Devil Wears Prada production budget was 35 million, Superman Returns was like 223 million.

[ambient_indie]

I haven't seen a good fathom events screening. The moment I see that they're running it, my excitement deflates.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by slask

The theatrical cut has better picture quality than the extended:
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...=41301&i=6&l=0

And the 4K will include that only.

There seems to be a slight difference in geometry between those comparison shots. Not just that one but all the caps. Either one is stretched a bit or one is squished a bit.

[rubystone356]

Originally Posted by ambient_indie

I haven't seen a good fathom events screening. The moment I see that they're running it, my excitement deflates.

its been a while. I remember seeing some star trek episodes on the big screen and maybe Casablanca part of the tcm team. this was when they release star trek the 2 part with the new effects.

Jacob

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by slask

The theatrical cut has better picture quality than the extended:
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...=41301&i=6&l=0

And the 4K will include that only.

Newer transfer is newer, it's not better just because it's the theatrical cut. One has nothing to do with the other. This will hopefully look as it should on UHD, and the complaints about it being too soft and grainy will quickly stack up like Supes rebuilding the Great Wall of China with his magical powers of telekinesis.

[slask]

I didn’t know the extended cut was an older transfer. I thought the pq depended on the source material..

[Geoff D]

It does, but not all transfers are created equal. Different scanners have different properties, you'll have different project managers handling grain management, dirt clean-up etc. And that the two transfers took place several years apart (SE dates from at least 2006 while the theatrical followed in 2011) also factors into it.

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by ambient_indie

I haven't seen a good fathom events screening. The moment I see that they're running it, my excitement deflates.

Me too. You can write them and see if they are having a DCP for that showing or if it's one of their (sigh) streaming "presentations." I asked them why they don't show the format with each showing and they didn't answer my question but instead said that I could write them whenever I wanted to and ask. The rep was being helpful at the least which I appreciate, but any respecting company wouldn't show a heavily compressed SAT broadcast on a big screen and claim it's high quality. That shit looks like, well, shit on a 65" screen, let alone a big cinema screen.

[The Mad Kiwi]

Originally Posted by singhcr

Me too. You can write them and see if they are having a DCP for that showing or if it's one of their (sigh) streaming "presentations." I asked them why they don't show the format with each showing and they didn't answer my question but instead said that I could write them whenever I wanted to and ask. The rep was being helpful at the least which I appreciate, but any respecting company wouldn't show a heavily compressed SAT broadcast on a big screen and claim it's high quality. That shit looks like, well, shit on a 65" screen, let alone a big cinema screen.

Yeah, Fathom is such a mixed bag. Their TCM Big Screen Classics series is all DCPs because TCM insisted on it, and those look great. Everything else, however, is a luck of the draw. Their Studio Ghibli screenings are DCPs, but when I watched Little Shop of Horrors last year, it was a satellite feed and had all kinds of compression artifacts (though the sound was great). I love Superman too much to miss out on seeing it on the big screen, but I'm definitely keeping my expectations in check.

I wish WB would give this a Dolby Cinema release like they did for Blade Runner when that film hit 4K (Sony did the same for Close Encounters, as well). Imagine hearing that new Atmos track in that auditorium.

[fighthefutureofhd]

Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

Mistery expenses? That money was for paying Mr. Spacey's rent boys!

He didn't need any. He already had one on set. That's why Superman got a kid in the movie.



Too soon?!

[StingingVelvet]

I can has Amazon pre-order?

[CompleteCount]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

he didn't need any. He already had one on set. That's why superman got a kid in the movie.



Too soon?!

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[captainsolo]

Originally Posted by BNex99

Looks like it does have a DTS-MA 2.0 on there, which will probably be the same one that's on the Anthology BD. Which would be fine, if it was matrixed properly.

When the 2006 DVDs came out, the initial batch included a 2.0 fold-down of the remix on the theatrical cut. WB did issue replacements with a 2.0 rendering of the original audio, but even then I remember some talk online that it wasn't decoding the way a proper Dolby Surround track should.

I still think the 2.0 on the current theatrical BD is just a lossless version of that track. Most likely, it was taken from an early video master that was not matrixed, which may be why it sounds flatter and less directional than the early 90s laserdisc.

Also, I recently saw a 35mm screening of the theatrical cut, and there was very noticeable directionality and surround activity on the soundtrack. Not nearly as much as on the remix, of course, but it was there.

So even though I'm just speculating, I'm sticking with that hypothesis.

Nope. The '78 Stereo is simply just an unimpressive mix that sounds almost entirely like flat stereo with very little to absolutely no surround information. I got to see a beautifully preserved print without fading that was run through the correct Dolby A type surround setting and it is identical to the corrected DVD audio and lossless BD theatrical audio track. This is the same audio that so distressed Donner and why he wanted to remix the film for 5.1. Essentially the majority of the surround activity is matrix leakage that occurs naturally with that type of processing-which is much greater in the original A type system and was drastically improved when SR was made.

I'm wondering what era print you saw. I think I saw an LPP reprint from 1981 or so because it had absolutely no fading-but it was a collector's print because the studio apparently didn't have one. If it was correctly presented they should have used the A type surround setting and not SR-but I'm not sure if many modern cinema processors have an A mode.

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by Rizor

Has anyone been to a Fathom event that looked good? The ones I've been to have been YouTube quality at best.

as other's have pointed out, Sony's titles have all been DCP's and they've looked great. Not happy that at the moment, the Fathom screenings are only at Regal's in and around the Washington DC metro area. I'm curious to know if Warner's will be releasing the Atmos track on the DCP like they have done with 'Blade Runner'

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I can has Amazon pre-order?

The placeholder was listed today but says coming soon.

https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B07HPY5SYT/


Credit goes to bill Hunt for posting it on Twitter.

[Zimmy]

Did they ever color correct the theaterical like they did the extended?
It's been so long since that debate that I don't remember.
I have the Anthology set but never watched the theatrical release.

I want to watch the Man of Steel, not Man of Teal.

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by Zimmy

Did they ever color correct the theaterical like they did the extended?
It's been so long since that debate that I don't remember.
I have the Anthology set but never watched the theatrical release.

I want to watch the Man of Steel, not Man of Teal.

Take a look for yourself.

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...=41304&i=9&l=0