2001: A Space Odyssey 4K UHD (1968)

[JohnCarpenterFan]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Hallway was dark dirty yellow on two separate original 70mm prints I saw within the past 3 years. I guess I’ll keep repeating it. UHD is the closest I’ve seen for home video. LD is incorrect. And the Blu is just horrible throughout.

Christopher Nolan manipulated time allowing him to travel back and add a blanket tint to that shot in every print.

It's the only logical explanation, clearly.

[Grand Bob]

I just finished watching 2001 on 4K Blu-ray, and any doubts I had about the release have been erased. I have seen 2001 dozens of times in the theater beginning with its Cinerama debut in 1968 (including several instances where I sat through all four showings of the movie in an afternoon), and of course many, many times on home video since 1980 on VHS, Laserdisc, DVD, and BD. My first viewing of the movie when I was 12 was a life-changing experience, and 2001 easily remains my favorite movie.

My greatest concern for the 4K version was how the color would look, as I had an initial bad reaction upon seeing the trailer for the restoration from about a half year ago. It is with great relief that I can say the color is as good (and in some instances better) than any other viewing that I can remember. Yes, some of the blacks of space are not as black as the letterbox bars (and some are), and there are some soft-focus scenes (for example, the distance shot of the photographer assembling the scientists for a photo in front of the monolith at the crater Tycho), but the vast majority of the movie is presented in unrivaled clarity and detail. The soundtrack is the clearest and certainly the most extended in bass frequency of any home version of the movie that I own. There were several scenes where I saw details that were previously unnoticed, which I did not think was possible. 2001 is looking and sounding great, 50 years later.

I cannot comment on the HDR quality, as my 4K TV (84" LG 9800 series) is pre-HDR, so that gives me something else to look forward to.

I will not go into a detailed analysis of the individual scenes (and I think I can correctly assume that nobody would care anyway) but my lasting memory of today's viewing will be the frequent smile I had while watching the 4K restoration - now my reference version - of 2001.

[Arch Stanton]

The Moon is so pretty

[RockyMtnVideo]

Originally Posted by Croweyes1121

PS: did you do your test with DV on and during a totally back screen, such as the intermission? The blacks don’t look raised until the image is nearly black. And only DV is impacted. HDR10 is totally fine.

Definitely. Done in a dark basement at night. This is a bit embaressing... I forgot how it opened... i.e. the soundtrack playing against a black opening. When it started I couldn't make out my screen AT ALL. The LG is set into a cabinet with several inches of dead space on the sides, and above, and it all just looked like a jet-black "hole". I couldn't see the cabinet, the screen, the bars, nothing. I was thinking that I had a technical issue, and then it finally dawned on me (no pun intended), that this was the original opening. And, re: DV, I've left it enabled in my OPPO since the firmware update, so I'm always using it now, but always (still) scanning any new content for hints of problems.

[bobj0101]

Watched it through yesterday in 4K on an Oppo UDP-203. Mine froze for a few seconds too, but somewhat earlier. Watched it again today with the commentary and all played fine. Not sure what to make of it. But yes, the HDR 4K looks wonderful. I've bought 2001 many times over by now, and this is head and shoulders above any version I've ever seen. I saw it in the theater when it came out, but can't easily compare back then to this now, but this was great.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Croweyes1121

Man, I truly feel alone in the woods on this release. How can raised blacks in the letterbox bars on this movie in Dolby Vision not be a massive issue? I thought this bug had been squashed on LG OLED’s (I have an E6). Manually turning off DV on my Sony X700 restores true black completely, but whether I use that player or my UBK90, DV yields raised black levels no matter what I do. It’s impossible to reduce brightness enough to compensate for the bug. Blacks are always gray no matter what.

This is easily seen at intermission on the black screen. You just have to have a completely black room.

Why does DV do this?????? It is MADDENING. I guess I’ll turn it off on my X700 and watch the film in HDR10 until there is ANOTHER fix. Until then, I feel incredibly cheated. Either I intentionally watch this with DV turned off for proper blacks...or turn it on and ruin my blacks. It sucks. And no one but me is apparently even noticing this. I know I’m not the only one with an E6.

You are not alone my friend.

[jcs913]

I have to ask the dumb question, as I did not pre-order, does anyone have this in stock to ship (non-ebay scalp prices) or is the waiting game in order. I saw Fry's had this in their ad, but their site says sold out. do they have it in store maybe? I know no BB stores have them, but maybe someone else does???

[joenostalgia23]

Well it seems like WB screwed up this release by putting an orange filter over the shot of the corridor. Hopefully for The Shining 4K they will actually use the set photos as reference and present the film as black and white like it's supposed to be

[Xorp]

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

No, just no.

People should just stop coming up with weird conspiracy theories as to why a hallway that wasn't even white on the prints also isn't white on the restoration that was color timed to reflect said prints.

Guess what, set photos require color timing too (separate from the film) hence why there are usually differences between stills and the actual film with the intended color timing. Going by this logic, I guess the opening of Jaws actually took place in daylight too since I've seen stills of Chrissie during the nighttime attack scene except it's broad daylight. Clearly the original prints and releases of Jaws all suffer from a blanket nighttime tint.

The corridor isn't white on the prints, or the new Blu-ray (and probably some other home video releases too). It's white on the old Blu-ray which has been known for years to have inaccurate colors, and it's seen in the old Blu-ray in another shot where it's almost the same color as the UHD.

...but this is Blu-ray.com where you can't just call a spade a spade, so no doubt people will spend years spamming this thread looking for answers that have already been answered and creating new nonsensical questions in the process.

See these production stills, doesn't get more white than that: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=5577


And does a single red/pink color corridor make any sense when the rest of the ship's wallpanels are white? Pink wallpanels aren't very sci-fi.

It was definitely intentionally changed for the new master, and I don't mind that they did.

[ROSS.T.G.]

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Xorp

See these production stills, doesn't get more white than that: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=5577


And does a single red/pink color corridor make any sense when the rest of the ship's wallpanels are white? Pink wallpanels aren't very sci-fi.

It was definitely intentionally changed for the new master, and I don't mind that they did.

Nothing has been changed for the new master. Original prints looked similar.

[Rusty100]

Originally Posted by Xorp

See these production stills, doesn't get more white than that: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=5577


And does a single red/pink color corridor make any sense when the rest of the ship's wallpanels are white? Pink wallpanels aren't very sci-fi.

It was definitely intentionally changed for the new master, and I don't mind that they did.

Are you unaware of how photography retouching and colour grading works? you can zap any colour tint out of any area of the image.

[hariseldon]

Originally Posted by CarlosMeat

Interesting about the cut and not the fade. I noticed that he looked like he was reaching for a cigarette in his pocket and never remembered seeing that so this explains it.

Originally Posted by kaseaver

You mean censoring the apparent reaching for a cigarette in the previous version? Good on them for showing more of the scene if that's the case.

May look like it, but....

There were several instances in the film where people reached to there pocket for a Pen.

It could easily have been to reach for a handkerchief since he had just put down a wet glass.

Was a single cigarette being smoked or held, a cigarette in view, an ashtray, a cigar, or a pack of smokes seen anywhere in the movie?
On a space station, do you think they'd allow smoking -- less for fire hazard as dirty/mucking up the station and electronics.

Kubrick was a known very/extremely heavy smoker so this seems to be a very specific choice to make in 1968 either about the film or possibly a comment about the year 2001

[KMFDMvsEnya]

There are lumance/chroma errors on the standard Blu-ray.
Here are some examples in this shot. The PanAm shuttle clearly has issues and manifests as cyan breakup, similar to what can be seen on the Matrix UHD, and the struts on the the space station.

[bguzman]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by bguzman

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by Xorp

See these production stills, doesn't get more white than that: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=5577


And does a single red/pink color corridor make any sense when the rest of the ship's wallpanels are white? Pink wallpanels aren't very sci-fi.

It was definitely intentionally changed for the new master, and I don't mind that they did.

Production stills aren't the film. Kinda dumb if you think they are, or are supposed to be accurate. Although I believe everyone here knows this, and are just continuing to post nonsense to keep it going.

Stop beating a dead horse, no one cares anymore if you're wrong.

[Xorp]

Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

Production stills aren't the film. Kinda dumb if you think they are, or are supposed to be accurate. Although I believe everyone here knows this, and are just continuing to post nonsense to keep it going.

And no, it wasn't intentionally changed. It was always like that.

Stop beating a dead horse, no one cares anymore if you're wrong.

Do you know the definition of the word always?

The corridor was white on the LaserDisc
The corridor was white on the DVD
The corridor was white on the HDNet Movies HDTV broadcast
The corridor was white on the original Blu-ray

If it was red-tinted on the 1968 prints, then I'm glad they finally got the home video version right after 30 years of releases.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Xorp

Do you know the definition of the word always?

The corridor was white on the LaserDisc
The corridor was white on the DVD
The corridor was white on the HDNet Movies HDTV broadcast
The corridor was white on the original Blu-ray

Corridor had a dirty heavy yellow tint in two separate original 70mm prints I saw in the past three years. Home video got it wrong. Until now.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Xorp

So do we consider the following blasphemous revisionism?

Yes we do.