Batman (1989) (25th Anniversary Edition)

[Mistress9]

Originally Posted by shinobipopcorn

I see what you mean about the Batman logo (the first pic looks a little chartreuse to me whereas the second is bright yellow), but I can't see any green in the first picture of Jerry Hall's hair. It just looks like the contrast was darkened a bit. I'm not doubting there are differences in the master or anything, I just can't see green there. Maybe it's a color perception thing.

look at the heighlights, they are pale blue green as opposed to white or golden white. I've seen this in many many blurays, not just this one, too many to mention.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Mistress9

this is nothing short of vandalism and it is WRONG. Films were once at risk of being destroyed due to aging and the elements, now they are once again at risk of not being seen again how they were initially released. What is wrong with color? Why must blanket filters be used for every film as opposed to what was done on camera?

It's an old master dude. Color accuracy was a distant concern on home video until pretty recently. When these get 4k remasters... and they will... the color should be much improved.

[JohnCarpenterFan]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

It's an old master dude. Color accuracy was a distant concern on home video until pretty recently. When these get 4k remasters... and they will... the color should be much improved.

The dude's obviously a troll. Only joined yesterday and all his posts have either been bait or the typical "teal and orange" and "blanket" something or other trolling shtick that many people on here fall for.

[Mistress9]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

It's an old master dude. Color accuracy was a distant concern on home video until pretty recently. When these get 4k remasters... and they will... the color should be much improved.

I don't think so, like I said I see this on every bluray, and even releases from older films, they look completely different to what they used to look. Like I said there's no way of discussing this without people trying to bury this.

[Mistress9]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

It's an old master dude. Color accuracy was a distant concern on home video until pretty recently. When these get 4k remasters... and they will... the color should be much improved.

when do you think a 4k remaster will happen?

[DR Herbert West]

Originally Posted by Mistress9

when do you think a 4k remaster will happen?

Next year is the 30th Anniversary. I'd be shocked if we don't get at least the first film on UHD.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Mistress9

I don't think so, like I said I see this on every bluray, and even releases from older films, they look completely different to what they used to look. Like I said there's no way of discussing this without people trying to bury this.

This is a blu-ray but it came out many years ago and is from an older master. A new 4k remaster will surely look more accurate, although as JCFan hints at above a lot of times people see a more accurate master as revisionist anyway, because they're used to VHS or DVD color-timing.

Aliens and Terminator the best example of that. People freaked over the teal look of the BDs, but pictures of release prints show they were always teal. It was the DVDs that were wrong.

[Mistress9]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

This is a blu-ray but it came out many years ago and is from an older master. A new 4k remaster will surely look more accurate, although as JCFan hints at above a lot of times people see a more accurate master as revisionist anyway, because they're used to VHS or DVD color-timing.

Aliens and Terminator the best example of that. People freaked over the teal look of the BDs, but pictures of release prints show they were always teal. It was the DVDs that were wrong.

but wouldn't the VHS version be more accurate since it was released shortly after the film? And Terminator 2 was definitely altered, they even went back and fixed mistakes and altered frames digitally, a huge no no in my opinion. I think Aliens was tealed and oranged too.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Mistress9

but wouldn't the VHS version be more accurate since it was released shortly after the film?

No way, the limitations of the format are insane. Timing has little to do with it. The only way to know accuracy is to reference release prints, which Warner typically do for their modern remasters now. I'm sure Batman will look very accurate once they remaster it.

[Mistress9]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

No way, the limitations of the format are insane. Timing has little to do with it. The only way to know accuracy is to reference release prints, which Warner typically do for their modern remasters now. I'm sure Batman will look very accurate once they remaster it.

I meant only in the color, I know VHS is far less quality. Which remaster would you say was particularly accurate? The blurays I enjoy the most are actually the ones of films that are not deemed important where you can tell they've just scanned whatever print they had lying around, sometimes you can even see dust specks, I must say they not only have accurate color, they are far more enjoyable as an experience.

[drush9999]

Originally Posted by Mistress9

but wouldn't the VHS version be more accurate since it was released shortly after the film? And Terminator 2 was definitely altered, they even went back and fixed mistakes and altered frames digitally, a huge no no in my opinion. I think Aliens was tealed and oranged too.

The VHS would have been NTSC which stands for Never The Same Color

[bigrob]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Aliens and Terminator the best example of that. People freaked over the teal look of the BDs, but pictures of release prints show they were always teal. It was the DVDs that were wrong.

I can give you a good example of this actually. The Lowry restored edition of The Abyss that appeared on streaming services has a very teal look to it compared to the ancient DVD-era masters.

I was lucky to see a very good 35mm print of the special edition on the big screen and was quite surprised to see that the film does indeed have a teal look to it but it just wasn't as prominent as the HD streaming version was, but it was there.

Aliens though is another matter. Not a fan of the BD transfer. Saw it 2 years ago on 70mm and the closest home video release to how it originally looked was the THX Laserdisc.

[OlivusPrime]

I've watched both a dinged-up 35mm print of the film and a pristine 70mm print, both dating back to its original release. The film has always had that dark, murky and oily look to it. A 4K release isn't going to look leagues different, colour-wise.

[Galactus123]

Originally Posted by Mistress9

This is another film destroyed by digital color correcting and revisionist alterations to a film's look. This is a true tragedy and I have seen it in basically 99.9 per cent of blurays with no mention or discussion of this, let alone any viable way to complain about this.

Here are screengrabs from the current bluray:









As you can see, it's just a mess of cyan grey highlights, too much darkness, jerry hall's blonde hair is actually green, the joker's face is green, batman's symbol is yellow green.

Here are the screengrabs color corrected and retouched to look how the film looks like on dvd and vintage clips on the web:










this is nothing short of vandalism and it is WRONG. Films were once at risk of being destroyed due to aging and the elements, now they are once again at risk of not being seen again how they were initially released. What is wrong with color? Why must blanket filters be used for every film as opposed to what was done on camera?

Like I said there is no way to discuss this anywhere without being shut down.

This needs to be stopped, there is no need to revise older films for them to fit the digitalized, artificial darkness of Christopher Nolan's and David Fincher's films.

As an interesting fact, Christopher Nolan, the modern arbiter of what films look like today is color blind. Let that sink in.

Also, Batman Returns has been ruined too.

You can really see the difference in that Joker pic and the one under it. It makes the movie look better. I wasn't very impressed with the Blu-Ray. It looked grey but that is how I always remembered it.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by bigrob

I was lucky to see a very good 35mm print of the special edition on the big screen and was quite surprised to see that the film does indeed have a teal look to it but it just wasn't as prominent as the HD streaming version was, but it was there.

I think the teal can be heavier than it should be on remasters like Aliens, but if UHD has taught me anything it's that quickie 8-bit transfers can cause blanket tints to become more prominent. A UHD of Aliens might add a lot of nuance that matches the teal but not overly teal prints.

The main point is people act like teal is a modern only thing but it's not.

[Mistress9]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I think the teal can be heavier than it should be on remasters like Aliens, but if UHD has taught me anything it's that quickie 8-bit transfers can cause blanket tints to become more prominent. A UHD of Aliens might add a lot of nuance that matches the teal but not overly teal prints.

The main point is people act like teal is a modern only thing but it's not.

it depends what you are talking about. You can light a scene with a teal tone or any tone for that matter, that is not the same as teal and orange which is blanket filters that color the entire image one color, which is what James Cameron is now doing to all of his films on bluray.

[Markgway]

Except for the first cap, which looks browny, Mistress' own caps look better. The Blu-ray is lifeless in comparison.

[-JKR-]

Originally Posted by Mistress9

This is another film destroyed by digital color correcting and revisionist alterations to a film's look. This is a true tragedy and I have seen it in basically 99.9 per cent of blurays with no mention or discussion of this, let alone any viable way to complain about this.

Here are screengrabs from the current bluray:









As you can see, it's just a mess of cyan grey highlights, too much darkness, jerry hall's blonde hair is actually green, the joker's face is green, batman's symbol is yellow green.

Here are the screengrabs color corrected and retouched to look how the film looks like on dvd and vintage clips on the web:










this is nothing short of vandalism and it is WRONG. Films were once at risk of being destroyed due to aging and the elements, now they are once again at risk of not being seen again how they were initially released. What is wrong with color? Why must blanket filters be used for every film as opposed to what was done on camera?

Like I said there is no way to discuss this anywhere without being shut down.

This needs to be stopped, there is no need to revise older films for them to fit the digitalized, artificial darkness of Christopher Nolan's and David Fincher's films.

As an interesting fact, Christopher Nolan, the modern arbiter of what films look like today is color blind. Let that sink in.

Also, Batman Returns has been ruined too.

Dude, DVDs and vintage clips on the web are N O T representative of a film's intended look, or of how it looked in theaters back in 1989.

[JohnCarpenterFan]

Exact same debunked nonsense I've heard a thousand times, just because people spam it over and over again on here and originaltrilogy using countless sock puppets, doesn't make something true.

There's a reason this garbage doesn't spread to forums where insiders are much more interactive. Comments like this are laughed at, not even worth debunking. You literally have people on here spamming threads with nonsense over "blanket tints" that don't even exist on the Blu-rays they are freaking out over. Sheer lunacy.

[Mistress9]

Originally Posted by Markgway

Except for the first cap, which looks browny, Mistress' own caps look better. The Blu-ray is lifeless in comparison.

thanks, and yes it was really lifeless, the movie is so good, the bluray is a true blunder.