Heat 4K UHD (1995)

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

Original cut and sound mix and I am in.
If not I am not buying it again

It will be the cut already prepared in 4K, so you get to save your money.

[markerb]

I just bought an Apple TV 4K and just to see this on iTunes in 4K HDR on an OLED, and I though the grading was terrible. The blacks were okay, but nothing popped. It just all looked drab, and not in a cool and intentional way.

It didn't even pop when Neil and Eady were driving into the tunnel, and the ethereal light saturates the scene. Not even when the runway lights dramatically turn on in the end scene.

I had hoped the street shootout would be brilliant, to match the incredible audio during this scene. Nope.

Hopefully, they'll regrade this for the UHD Blu-ray. I can watch this film a million times in any form.

[IcarusBD]

Originally Posted by markerb

I just bought an Apple TV 4K and just to see this on iTunes in 4K HDR on an OLED, and I though the grading was terrible. The blacks were okay, but nothing popped. It just all looked drab, and not in a cool and intentional way.

It didn't even pop when Neil and Eady were driving into the tunnel, and the ethereal light saturates the scene. Not even when the runway lights dramatically turn on in the end scene.

I had hoped street shootout would be brilliant, to match the incredible audio during this scene. Nope.

Hopefully, they'll regrade this for the UHD. But it won't matter. I can watch this film a million times in any form.

I doubt they’ll re-grade it but HDR on disc is likely to look better than streaming HDR though Fox don’t like DV so it’ll be HDR10+ or just regular HDR10. It could be your TV’s tone mapping, though. How do things like Goodfellas look on your TV?

[Mierzwiak]

It's not a matter of tone mapping, Heat in HDR looks more like SDR. That's just how it is. With LG's dynamic tone mapping enabled it's only slightly better, but still nothing that looks like high dynamic range we're now used to BUT it's the best this movie ever looked and a jump in resolution is clearly visible.

BTW, Goodfellas looks amazing on my TV.

[IcarusBD]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

It's not a matter of tone mapping, Heat in HDR looks more like SDR. That's just how it is.

BTW, Goodfellas looks amazing on my TV.

Those “SDR in HDR container” films tend to need better tone mapping and often receive more criticism than the films that make your eyes pop out with HDR or whatever. So in a way, it’s really both things.

[Mierzwiak]

With HDR10 I can watch movies two ways on my OLED:
- with everything above about 600-700 nits clipped
- with dynamic tone mapping enabled that preserves all the highlight details above mentioned limit.

With Heat there's nothing to tone map for my TV because in the first scenario it looks like the highlights are maybe 150 nits at best; with dynamic tone mapping it looks a little bit brighter and better overall, with "little bit" being key words here.

[StingingVelvet]

Heat just has a pretty much non-existant HDR grade. That might be why it's not on disc. I was very disappointed with it as well.

[Sky_Captain]

Sounds like all the other Warner 4K streams I've seen, for titles that don't yet have a physical release.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Sky_Captain

Sounds like all the other Warner 4K streams I've seen, for titles that don't yet have a physical release.

You tell me this after I use a nice sale to get Sherlock Holmes, The Nice Guys and Sucker Punch.

[Sky_Captain]

Don't get me wrong, they looked better than the BDs, but I expected more from something like The Man From U.N.C.L.E.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

You tell me this after I use a nice sale to get Sherlock Holmes, The Nice Guys and Sucker Punch.

Nice guys looks decent

[markerb]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

With HDR10 I can watch movies two ways on my OLED:
- with everything above about 600-700 nits clipped
- with dynamic tone mapping enabled that preserves all the highlight details above mentioned limit.

With Heat there's nothing to tone map for my TV because in the first scenario it looks like the highlights are maybe 150 nits at best; with dynamic tone mapping it looks a little bit brighter and better overall, with "little bit" being key words here.

I'm not sure anyone here could really say there's nothing to tone map, or that the film is inherently in SDR as others have claimed. Most of us don't have access to the film stock, which likely has much more dynamic range than what's been released on home video so far.

... or are you all remembering this from its theatrical run?

It's possible that when Mann came back and did the new 4K scan, it was simply graded for SDR and they didn't really bother with HDR. Mann stated "When you go into Blu-Ray, and you go to 4K, you’re in a different color space." It sounds like he meant HDR, but he was making the 2017 4K SDR release at the time, and there's something off about his statement. Is he suggesting that even normal Blu-ray has a different color space than any home video technology that came before it? It does not. Anyway, I guess I'm not convinced he actually did an HDR grade at that point. Plenty of legacy directors have revealed in their words that they just don't quite understand the latest in home video technology.

It's still totally feasible that Mann actually produced a BT.2020 grade, but that iTunes only managed to get their hands on a 4K BT.709 grade.

In either case, I'm still hoping to be impressed with the UHD Blu-ray when and if it ever comes.

[Mierzwiak]

Heat on iTunes is HDR BT.2020, I don't know what you're talking about.

[markerb]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

Heat on iTunes is HDR BT.2020, I don't know what you're talking about.

You can make anything BT.2020 without actually doing a proper regrading from BT.709. You can just map the colors (which is what the Apple TV 4K does with SDR content when it's hooked to an HDR monitor).

I just saw no indication of anything that represented a deeper color palette. I saw "Wrath of Khan" in HDR and iTunes, and it was spectacular... especially for a 1982 film.

Obviously, it's all wild speculation. However, I still have a problem with all these statement that somehow the film stock is "SDR".

[Canada]

I know that Criterion doesn't do 4K but if this they bought the rights to Heat and released this as one of their first 4K releases, it would sell like gangbusters.

[FabioPirovano]

Originally Posted by Canada

I know that Criterion doesn't do 4K but if this they bought the rights to Heat and released this as one of their first 4K releases, it would sell like gangbusters.

HEAT Doesn't need to be 4k.. is amazing also on laserdisc

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by FabioPirovano

HEAT Doesn't need to be 4k.. is amazing also on laserdisc

Lol

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by Canada

I know that Criterion doesn't do 4K but if this they bought the rights to Heat and released this as one of their first 4K releases, it would sell like gangbusters.

No 4K title has "sold like gangbusters" (and UHD is less than 5% of the entire physics media market share), so no, it really wouldn't. Love to have it, but it wouldn't be a huge seller.

Not to mention, when you have huge ultimate editions like Apocalypse Now and classics like Alien coming out on UHD for around $20 (and Alien has been under $15 for a while now), no way most people would spend $40 for a Criterion disc.

[Geoff D]

I dunno about that, Bates. Criterion has this massive cult following (I know that's an oxymoron, but bear with me) and if there's any audience out there willing to drop $40 on a disc it's the Criterion cognoscenti.

[thg]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I dunno about that, Bates. Criterion has this massive cult following (I know that's an oxymoron, but bear with me) and if there's any audience out there willing to drop $40 on a disc it's the Criterion cognoscenti.

I'd buy 2!