Blu-Ray meeting next week. Fox titles and "key partner" announcement - Page 6 - Blu-ray Forum

AV_Integrated · 08-30-2006, 10:20 PM

I gotta throw out two things...

1. 45GB HD-DVD discs may be a possibility. Since Toshiba is well aware of the Blu-ray spec for BD50, then it would be very smart on their part to design their players to do HD45 discs. Then NOT release any of them, or provide 100% actual info on it being possible until BD50 is release officially. Then simply respond with "Yes, but we can do 45GB, so what else do you have to offer?"

2. If HD-DVD really does have the price advantage, then if they had the studio and vendor support, they would clean up. That is a very big thing IMO. I believe Blu-ray will win 100% because it has manufacturer and studio support. No other reason is going to do it. Pricing will get in line, feature sets will begin to level off... and then all that'll remain is studio and CE support. Game, set, match - Blu-ray.

If that were all flipped over, or an even number was up for both sides? Then, I believe Blu-ray would be the underdog. The technology is not prime time yet. It's well behind HD-DVD for overall image quality and available technologies... But, HD-DVD is Toshiba - so you gotta take the Toshiba, or wait for some other format to adopt.

BTBuck1 · 08-30-2006, 10:22 PM

Should Universal not be the "studio" mentioned in tomorrows announcement, it's back to plan A) of me buying the xbox360 add on or even possibly an A1 when they go on employee discount at my work, but as i've said before I will still whole heartedly back Blu Ray as i feal that format has more to offer us, and I want the best Technology to win.

Im a Fanboi, yes...A Fanboi Of High DEF...No matter the label, even though I admittedly Like Sony and am not too excited over Toshiba products. I would still buy their player if it offers something I can't get in Blu.

JTK · 08-30-2006, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian@BBY

Should Universal not be the "studio" mentioned in tomorrows announcement, it's back to plan A) of me buying the xbox360 add on or even possibly an A1 when they go on employee discount at my work, but as i've said before I will still whole heartedly back Blu Ray as i feal that format has more to offer us, and I want the best Technology to win.

And it's very conceivable that in as little as a handful of months (we hope), that could be exactly correct.

We'll see...

marzetta7 · 08-30-2006, 10:30 PM

What was this thread about again? Oh yeah, the pending Fox titles and the "key partner" announcement. Let's all (me included) try to get back on this.

Thanks for hijacking the thread there boys, we're ultimately talking about what we have been talking about in circles for the past year now. And some wonder why we had the thread in the "Off Topic" section regarding newbies feeling demeaned. Way to follow through guys, proud of ya. [insert dripping sarcasm here]

theknub · 08-30-2006, 10:35 PM

obviously i'm joining the fray pretty late here. luckily, no F-bombs recently. i will say that i have read a lot of highly speculative and personal opinions in here so far. obviously, a lot of this is subjective and very grey material to argue about. so i'll say my two cents, run, and let the rest of you throw it back at me.

as far as disc prices, as a consumer, we have not seen a difference in prices between the formats. so, it is really not being passed to the consumer. so, IMO, this is a negligible concern. if we want to really delve into it, a brand new format costs pennies to manufacture less than an old format is pretty damn good. at a price difference of around $.13 peg GB, we can't complain about new technology. and again, as consumers we aren't being passed the buck so who cares.

as for advantages of either format:
when it comes to an ethernet port, i frankly am not one to care EXCEPT for firmware updates. otherwise, i would never have the player hooked up. why? i don't care about being able to download an extra audio track in hindu since it frankly doesn't matter. i'm not going to use my player for interactive online only games. i'll use a ps3 or computer for that. the only advantage that the ethernet provides to me is the ability to download firmware. so if you care about this rather than burning a CD and doing a firmware update this way, make sure u have an ethernet port. otherwise, not really an advantage (to me at least).

as for mandatory codecs, i'm all for them. this way you are guaranteed to play all available audio codecs. i recently bought an el cheapo DVD player for my bedroom. while i don't have a full stereo in my bedroom, i just went to play the DTS track like i normally do on a movie and nothing. so while not a huge deal, i would like it if it was possible to play DTS.

as for bitrate:
i believe higher bitrate = better. you can transmit more data and thus better looking images over the pipe. does it hurt you to have less? no, it doesn't. but it certainly can help

as for storage:
right now a DL hd-dvd is 30 gb while a single BD is 25 gb. very similar, but an advantage to hd-dvd ATM. while you may denounce this as vaporwear, when DL BDs come out, you'll be looking at 50 gb to 30gb... advantage BR. this means more features, higher bit rate encodes, HD extras, blah blah blah. yes, BR has no room on their discs for extras. is hd-dvd close to storage capacities already? on some discs yes, some discs no. throw what you want at me about extras and all that crap being on some discs, however BR will allow you even more extras then in the future. again, does this hurt you now? certainly not. in the future? very possible.

software support:
if you want to guarantee anything, please let me know. we can make lots of money together at the casinos. universal may go out and purchase every studio in the world. now, they are all HD-DVD exclusive. as for now, we only have the facts of who is and isn't supporting a format. i personally believe you are limiting yourself by choosing HD-DVD since it doesn't have the same support. will this change? possibly. right here, right now i believe you to be hurting yourself.

hardware support:
yes, this can change any day as well. however, with no players even in research from another company, we'd be looking at at least a year before anything else came out. so, a/o 8.30.06 we wouldn't see an HD-DVD player till 8.30.07. yeah, something could be rushed but then we'd end up with another samsung but in the HD-DVD camp. so right now are you hurting? no. in the future however i think you might be.

now all that being said, who will win? no one knows (if you do, let me know and we're at the casinos). IMO, it will be BR and that is who i am supporting. now, if the "real" launch is just as bad as it has been (or been reported since i quite frankly have no complaints about the BR products i have seen and don't own anything) i will reserve myself even further until their is a clear cut winner.

if you don't like my two cents, feel free to throw it back....

PurpleAardvark · 08-30-2006, 11:07 PM

Well here is an old saying my grandfather told me, edited a bit. You know what you get when you gold plate a piece of crap.... A gold plated piece of crap.

With that said, every toshiba DVD player I have bought has been a piece of crap in a box. I have returned every one that I bought or regreted buying it including the HD-A1. Paying $500+ for a toshiba player is buying a gold plated piece of crap in a box IMO. So for all of you saying you saved $500 by buying an HD player don't complain when the thing breaks or has more updates than any other DVD player on the market. Part of something being better is working right. If HD was supported by anyone other than toshiba it would have a much better chance. My local BB told me a couple days ago that they have had more defective or returned HD players than any other DVD player they have ever sold. For those of you happy with your HD player good, enjoy it. For those of you with a Blu-Ray player enjoy. By the way please bring up the codecs again. I havn't read about it in two posts. [insert dripping sarcasm here]

Psiweaver · 08-30-2006, 11:22 PM

Anyways i've been an ardent blu-ray supporter since day 1 so i don't appriciate the house of cards referance to me from Brian. Secondly everyone in this thread is getting sooo worked up over the technology and which format has better stats.

Stats really don't matter much its how you experience your content that matters if the stats suck but the picture looks amazing who the hell cares.

Bottom line why blu-ray is superior is studio support they've got it and HD DVD doesn't have nearly as much. I'm talking exclusives here by the way. Second thing is triple layer HD DVD is fully vaporware as they haven't even worked on devoloping it. I want the large content on disc for backup purposes and so that audio will not be left by the wayside as it has been in the past.

PurpleAardvark · 08-30-2006, 11:55 PM

anyways to get back on topic I agree that it is going to be Universal. they are the only ones left except for no name studios. It would be nice to see alot of big name movies rather than a few.

Applefiend · 08-31-2006, 12:17 AM

*cough* New Line Cinema

Obviously you'd hope for Universal. They have a great deal of VC-1 material all ready to go, and it would help for a swift end to this dumb format war.

theknub · 08-31-2006, 12:27 AM

if i remember right, someone stated new line was owned by paramount (or somebody) and they were already part of the BDA

marzetta7 · 08-31-2006, 02:13 AM

Correct, New Line Cinema is owned by Warner Brothers. Plus, New Line Cinemas is stated as a studio supporting Blu-ray, right on the official Blu-ray site.

By the way, Brian may have left some hardcore Blu-ray supporters out of the mix with the cards statement, but I wouldn't read to much into it! We all know who you are!

marzetta7 · 08-31-2006, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Applefiend

*cough* New Line Cinema
Obviously you'd hope for Universal. They have a great deal of VC-1 material all ready to go, and it would help for a swift end to this dumb format war.

We'll see, but I think it should be Universal, otherwise I don't see the big drama in calling a special meeting just to see New Line, who I'm pretty sure is already a Blu-ray supporter per their site, state Blu-ray support.

Regardless, hopefully we'll be seeing H.264/AVC/MPEG4 encoded discs announced as well--seeing in how Sony and others in the BDA are in the patent pool for MPEG4.

Sidewinder · 08-31-2006, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marzetta7

We'll see, but I think it should be Universal, otherwise I don't see the big drama in calling a special meeting just to see New Line, who I'm pretty sure is already a Blu-ray supporter per their site, state Blu-ray support.

Regardless, hopefully we'll be seeing H.264/AVC/MPEG4 encoded discs announced as well--seeing in how Sony and others in the BDA are in the patent pool for MPEG4.

At 16:00 pm (local time) the BDA announcement will take place. So we'll know in about 2 hours.

mainman · 08-31-2006, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sidewinder

At 16:00 pm (local time) the BDA announcement will take place. So we'll know in about 2 hours.

Can't wait.

PurpleAardvark · 08-31-2006, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marzetta7

Regardless, hopefully we'll be seeing H.264/AVC/MPEG4 encoded discs announced as well--seeing in how Sony and others in the BDA are in the patent pool for MPEG4.

Wow havn't read about this before very interesting.... This codec crap makes me want to jump off a cliff. Please stop ruining good post with this crap. Honnestly enough is enough. Every other post has to be about codecs, really, grow up please all of you codec nazi's.

JTK · 08-31-2006, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleAardvark

Wow havn't read about this before very interesting.... This codec crap makes me want to jump off a cliff. Please stop ruining good post with this crap. Honnestly enough is enough. Every other post has to be about codecs, really, grow up please all of you codec nazi's.

^^
Yeah, we don't want to let pesky facts piss off the fanboys too much.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanboy

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fanboy

Get over it and grow up, kid. Throwing out the term Nazi for anything is a dead giveaway.

What a bunch of s**t.

http://www.intellectualloafing.com/a...darguments.htm

phranctoast · 08-31-2006, 02:24 PM

um.yeah..

so any word on the "key partner" yet.

JTK · 08-31-2006, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phranctoast

um.yeah..

so any word on the "key partner" yet.

4 pm Pacific was the last time I heard we'd hear something...

phranctoast · 08-31-2006, 02:41 PM

how does that work?

Im east coast btw. Berlin is 6 hours ahead of us. Its 10:30am here. It should be about 4pm there now.

JTK · 08-31-2006, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phranctoast

how does that work?

Im east coast btw. Berlin is 6 hours ahead of us. Its 10:30am here. It should be about 4pm there now.

East coast means 7 pm tonight.

It doesn't make much sense to me, either. I'm just keeping a close eye on several sites throughout the day.

EDIT: Or not:

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/060831/20060831005204.html?.v=1

Sun Microsystems.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...7127#post17127

08-30-2006, 11:07 PM	#106
PurpleAardvark Active Member Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Cross Plains, WI	Well here is an old saying my grandfather told me, edited a bit. You know what you get when you gold plate a piece of crap.... A gold plated piece of crap. With that said, every toshiba DVD player I have bought has been a piece of crap in a box. I have returned every one that I bought or regreted buying it including the HD-A1. Paying $500+ for a toshiba player is buying a gold plated piece of crap in a box IMO. So for all of you saying you saved $500 by buying an HD player don't complain when the thing breaks or has more updates than any other DVD player on the market. Part of something being better is working right. If HD was supported by anyone other than toshiba it would have a much better chance. My local BB told me a couple days ago that they have had more defective or returned HD players than any other DVD player they have ever sold. For those of you happy with your HD player good, enjoy it. For those of you with a Blu-Ray player enjoy. By the way please bring up the codecs again. I havn't read about it in two posts. [insert dripping sarcasm here] Last edited by PurpleAardvark; 08-30-2006 at 11:17 PM.

08-31-2006, 02:13 AM	#111
marzetta7 Special Member Member since:Feb 2006	Correct, New Line Cinema is owned by Warner Brothers. Plus, New Line Cinemas is stated as a studio supporting Blu-ray, right on the official Blu-ray site. By the way, Brian may have left some hardcore Blu-ray supporters out of the mix with the cards statement, but I wouldn't read to much into it! We all know who you are! Last edited by marzetta7; 08-31-2006 at 02:18 AM.

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08-30-2006, 10:20 PM	#101
AV_Integrated Senior Member Member since:Jan 2005	I gotta throw out two things... 1. 45GB HD-DVD discs may be a possibility. Since Toshiba is well aware of the Blu-ray spec for BD50, then it would be very smart on their part to design their players to do HD45 discs. Then NOT release any of them, or provide 100% actual info on it being possible until BD50 is release officially. Then simply respond with "Yes, but we can do 45GB, so what else do you have to offer?" 2. If HD-DVD really does have the price advantage, then if they had the studio and vendor support, they would clean up. That is a very big thing IMO. I believe Blu-ray will win 100% because it has manufacturer and studio support. No other reason is going to do it. Pricing will get in line, feature sets will begin to level off... and then all that'll remain is studio and CE support. Game, set, match - Blu-ray. If that were all flipped over, or an even number was up for both sides? Then, I believe Blu-ray would be the underdog. The technology is not prime time yet. It's well behind HD-DVD for overall image quality and available technologies... But, HD-DVD is Toshiba - so you gotta take the Toshiba, or wait for some other format to adopt.

08-30-2006, 10:22 PM	#102
BTBuck1 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Oceanside, CA. Blu-ray collection:507 DVD collection:1	Should Universal not be the "studio" mentioned in tomorrows announcement, it's back to plan A) of me buying the xbox360 add on or even possibly an A1 when they go on employee discount at my work, but as i've said before I will still whole heartedly back Blu Ray as i feal that format has more to offer us, and I want the best Technology to win. Im a Fanboi, yes...A Fanboi Of High DEF...No matter the label, even though I admittedly Like Sony and am not too excited over Toshiba products. I would still buy their player if it offers something I can't get in Blu.

08-30-2006, 10:30 PM	#104
marzetta7 Special Member Member since:Feb 2006	What was this thread about again? Oh yeah, the pending Fox titles and the "key partner" announcement. Let's all (me included) try to get back on this. Thanks for hijacking the thread there boys, we're ultimately talking about what we have been talking about in circles for the past year now. And some wonder why we had the thread in the "Off Topic" section regarding newbies feeling demeaned. Way to follow through guys, proud of ya. [insert dripping sarcasm here]

08-30-2006, 10:35 PM	#105
theknub Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2006	obviously i'm joining the fray pretty late here. luckily, no F-bombs recently. i will say that i have read a lot of highly speculative and personal opinions in here so far. obviously, a lot of this is subjective and very grey material to argue about. so i'll say my two cents, run, and let the rest of you throw it back at me. as far as disc prices, as a consumer, we have not seen a difference in prices between the formats. so, it is really not being passed to the consumer. so, IMO, this is a negligible concern. if we want to really delve into it, a brand new format costs pennies to manufacture less than an old format is pretty damn good. at a price difference of around $.13 peg GB, we can't complain about new technology. and again, as consumers we aren't being passed the buck so who cares. as for advantages of either format: when it comes to an ethernet port, i frankly am not one to care EXCEPT for firmware updates. otherwise, i would never have the player hooked up. why? i don't care about being able to download an extra audio track in hindu since it frankly doesn't matter. i'm not going to use my player for interactive online only games. i'll use a ps3 or computer for that. the only advantage that the ethernet provides to me is the ability to download firmware. so if you care about this rather than burning a CD and doing a firmware update this way, make sure u have an ethernet port. otherwise, not really an advantage (to me at least). as for mandatory codecs, i'm all for them. this way you are guaranteed to play all available audio codecs. i recently bought an el cheapo DVD player for my bedroom. while i don't have a full stereo in my bedroom, i just went to play the DTS track like i normally do on a movie and nothing. so while not a huge deal, i would like it if it was possible to play DTS. as for bitrate: i believe higher bitrate = better. you can transmit more data and thus better looking images over the pipe. does it hurt you to have less? no, it doesn't. but it certainly can help as for storage: right now a DL hd-dvd is 30 gb while a single BD is 25 gb. very similar, but an advantage to hd-dvd ATM. while you may denounce this as vaporwear, when DL BDs come out, you'll be looking at 50 gb to 30gb... advantage BR. this means more features, higher bit rate encodes, HD extras, blah blah blah. yes, BR has no room on their discs for extras. is hd-dvd close to storage capacities already? on some discs yes, some discs no. throw what you want at me about extras and all that crap being on some discs, however BR will allow you even more extras then in the future. again, does this hurt you now? certainly not. in the future? very possible. software support: if you want to guarantee anything, please let me know. we can make lots of money together at the casinos. universal may go out and purchase every studio in the world. now, they are all HD-DVD exclusive. as for now, we only have the facts of who is and isn't supporting a format. i personally believe you are limiting yourself by choosing HD-DVD since it doesn't have the same support. will this change? possibly. right here, right now i believe you to be hurting yourself. hardware support: yes, this can change any day as well. however, with no players even in research from another company, we'd be looking at at least a year before anything else came out. so, a/o 8.30.06 we wouldn't see an HD-DVD player till 8.30.07. yeah, something could be rushed but then we'd end up with another samsung but in the HD-DVD camp. so right now are you hurting? no. in the future however i think you might be. now all that being said, who will win? no one knows (if you do, let me know and we're at the casinos). IMO, it will be BR and that is who i am supporting. now, if the "real" launch is just as bad as it has been (or been reported since i quite frankly have no complaints about the BR products i have seen and don't own anything) i will reserve myself even further until their is a clear cut winner. if you don't like my two cents, feel free to throw it back....

08-30-2006, 11:22 PM	#107
Psiweaver Special Member Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Los Angeles,CA	Anyways i've been an ardent blu-ray supporter since day 1 so i don't appriciate the house of cards referance to me from Brian. Secondly everyone in this thread is getting sooo worked up over the technology and which format has better stats. Stats really don't matter much its how you experience your content that matters if the stats suck but the picture looks amazing who the hell cares. Bottom line why blu-ray is superior is studio support they've got it and HD DVD doesn't have nearly as much. I'm talking exclusives here by the way. Second thing is triple layer HD DVD is fully vaporware as they haven't even worked on devoloping it. I want the large content on disc for backup purposes and so that audio will not be left by the wayside as it has been in the past.

08-30-2006, 11:55 PM	#108
PurpleAardvark Active Member Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Cross Plains, WI	anyways to get back on topic I agree that it is going to be Universal. they are the only ones left except for no name studios. It would be nice to see alot of big name movies rather than a few.

08-31-2006, 12:17 AM	#109
Applefiend Active Member Member since:Jul 2006	cough New Line Cinema Obviously you'd hope for Universal. They have a great deal of VC-1 material all ready to go, and it would help for a swift end to this dumb format war.

08-31-2006, 12:27 AM	#110
theknub Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2006	if i remember right, someone stated new line was owned by paramount (or somebody) and they were already part of the BDA

08-31-2006, 02:24 PM	#117
phranctoast Power Member Member since:Aug 2006 Location:Long Island, NY;psn:phranctoast Blu-ray collection:78	um.yeah.. so any word on the "key partner" yet.

08-31-2006, 02:41 PM	#119
phranctoast Power Member Member since:Aug 2006 Location:Long Island, NY;psn:phranctoast Blu-ray collection:78	how does that work? Im east coast btw. Berlin is 6 hours ahead of us. Its 10:30am here. It should be about 4pm there now.

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