Lack of BD-J Titles?

[GetSmart]

So in my research I can only find BD-J Titles from two studios:

LionsGate (under 10 titles)
Disney (under 5 titles)

With all the Blu-Ray titles out there and the fact there are tools such as Sonic's Blu-Ray authoring tool and BluPrint from Sony that can create BD-J titles.

Why the lack of titles?!?!?

Especially from the two big companies that back Blu: Fox and Sony?

I'm hoping for the AI game like the one found in the movie 300 (amazing, absolutely amazing the game plays in real time against you!) This is what I expect from BD-J. I wouldn't expect it from HDi. But then again look at how far we've come with Java Script. Google Maps comes to mind it's all Java Script.

Anyone know why Sony and Fox don't have titles, or if they are going to soon? And aside from Disney doing its line of titles in 2008 anything else being released before the end of the year?

[moweeis]

after october a lot of titles will use BD-J =) The League of Extraordinary Men had a game aswell however got boring after a while hehe

[GetSmart]

I'm curious about that.. only because all players today support BD-J today. Sure there is no mandate for Networking and PIP. But the game in 300 doesn't require a single thing that the new mediates require.

So this is why I'm curious 300 should have had a BD-J version?

[darkpoet25]

Fox has recently announced 29 titles that will take full advantage of BD-J and some that will have surprises as well. I can't wait for October!

[WickyWoo]

Lots of titles use BD-J, you just don't see it. They use it for menus all the time

[GetSmart]

WickyWoo,

This is why my screen name is GetSmart. There are less then 20 titles that use BD-J. The seamless menus are built into the Blu-Ray Specification in fact Blu-Ray has the ability to not have seamless menus you can use tools like DVDit Pro for that or if you want to create the Seamless Menus you go a $30k tool created by Sonic or the tool created by Sony Blu-Print. In fact Sony actually created two products one done by the LA team and one done by a different international team. The one that everyone knows is Blu-Print the other tool is what Sonic uses. These are the only tools on the market that can create the seamless menus, they both can import a BD-J application which is just a simple JAR file with a binary file that attach's the BD-J application to a specific title or button in the standard Blu-Ray specification.

The more education we have about Blu-Ray and how it really works, the better we all sound when arguing against HD-DVD.

[GetSmart]

Originally Posted by darkpoet25

Fox has recently announced 29 titles that will take full advantage of BD-J and some that will have surprises as well. I can't wait for October!

Actually it's not all 29 titles, and in their official press release they only mention 20 with a major exclamation that they will be releasing details next week. (Still doesn't explain why less then 20 titles have BD-J right now)

Here is the press release section about the BD-J and the titles: :

Cementing its leadership position within the industry - previous BD releases NIGHT AT THE MUSEUM and X-MEN THE LAST STAND rank in the Top 20 best-sellers - the vast majority of the Studios’ upcoming global slate will be presented on 50 GB dual-layer discs with advanced BD-J interactivity and feature numerous Blu-ray exclusive high-definition bonus materials that further realizes BD’s incredible potential. Consumers will enjoy the superior video and audio elements of AVC encoding and Lossless HD audio on many of the coming titles as well as enhanced and integrated menus, personal scene selections, search indexing, trivia and other title specific games and high-definition bonus materials.

Upcoming BD-J features exclusive to priority catalogue titles from Fox and MGM include an "Alien Scavenger Hunt" (INDEPENDENCE DAY) that challenges players to earn points by identifying the correct number of aliens in select scenes to unlock additional bonus features; a “Global Warming Trivia Track” (THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW) where users must correctly answer questions about global warming to keep the Earth’s temperature from rising and being destroyed; and a historical and geographical pop-up map (MASTER & COMMANDER) that tracks the location of Captain "Lucky" Jack Aubrey and his enemies.

TITLE N.A. RELEASE INTERNATIONAL RELEASE
MASTER & COMMANDER OCT. 2 OCT.
THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW OCT. 2 NOV.
FROM HELL OCT. 9 OCT.
THE FLY (1986) OCT. 9 Q1 08
EDWARD SCISSORHANDS OCT. 9 NOV.
28 DAYS LATER OCT. 9 North America Only
ROBOCOP (MGM) OCT. 9 DEC.
AMITYVILLE HORROR (1979) (MGM) OCT. 9 North America Only
BATTLE OF BRITAIN (MGM) NOV. 6 Q1 08
A BRIDGE TOO FAR (MGM) NOV. 6 Q1 08
I, ROBOT NOV. 13 Q1 08
DIE HARD NOV. NOV.
DIE HARD 2: DIE HARDER NOV NOV.
DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE NOV. NOV.
RED DAWN (MGM) NOV. Q1 08
MR. AND MRS. SMITH DEC. 4 DEC.
INDEPENDENCE DAY DEC. 4 DEC.
CAST AWAY DEC. 4 North America Only
RONIN (MGM) DEC. 4 DEC.

[jorg]

Originally Posted by GetSmart

WickyWoo,

This is why my screen name is GetSmart. There are less then 20 titles that use BD-J. The seamless menus are built into the Blu-Ray Specification in fact Blu-Ray has the ability to not have seamless menus you can use tools like DVDit Pro for that or if you want to create the Seamless Menus you go a $30k tool created by Sonic or the tool created by Sony Blu-Print. In fact Sony actually created two products one done by the LA team and one done by a different international team. The one that everyone knows is Blu-Print the other tool is what Sonic uses. These are the only tools on the market that can create the seamless menus, they both can import a BD-J application which is just a simple JAR file with a binary file that attach's the BD-J application to a specific title or button in the standard Blu-Ray specification.

The more education we have about Blu-Ray and how it really works, the better we all sound when arguing against HD-DVD.

there are less then 20 titles becuase we don`t need to use it yet but with hd dvd its MANIDATORY to use the hdi were blu-ray you can us ethe much simple and old school style its like saying why get a car with 200 horse power when you will never use over 50 . plus the market is so small that some of movies don`t even break even at the cost of doing the master and everything

ps if "blu-rau wizzard" counts here a sony title black hawk down

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/blackhawkdown.html

[Anthony P]

Fox actually has BD-J titles, others do as well.

the problem with your "analysis" is that BD-J does not show up in the specs, the only way to know a title must be using BD-J is to look at it and then see it doing something that it could not be doing otherwise. What makes it even more complicated is that a title could be simple might appear that it could be done without it (and might even be possible without it) but it uses BD-J anyways.

[jorg]

anthony p you are 100% correct

[WriteSimply]

So basically the OP is admitting that he bought 300 on HD-DVD? And you're wrong. Seamless menu is built-in to BDMV but there are BD-J apps running behind it that's not built-in.

BD-J is more than just for games.


fuad

[WickyWoo]

Can you name those titles? Seriously I'm genuinely curious

I know Big Fish, Curse of the Golden Flower use it for their menus for example

[hollywoodguy]

The easiest way to check if a disc is authored in BD-J is actually to try if Stop-Resume works. If not-->BD-J. Fox BD-J titles are The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Speed, and Behind Enemy Lines. Lionsgate has among others Weeds, Dirty Dancing and The Descent. Disney has the Pirates movies.

[hollywoodguy]

Hey, my first post! Been lurking some time, didn't realize I hadn't posted yet. Hi guys!

[GetSmart]

It almost like you guys have read some specification on Blu-Ray and HD-DVD???

This one is at the top of this of ignorance:

"there are less then 20 titles becuase we don`t need to use it yet but with hd dvd its MANIDATORY to use the hdi were blu-ray you can us ethe much simple and old school style its like saying why get a car with 200 horse power when you will never use over 50 "

"Seamless menu is built-in to BDMV but there are BD-J apps running behind it that's not built-in." Maybe you would understand the specification by example then by words. When you buy a Blu-Ray Drive for you PC place a movie like Click into the drive. Your Windows Vista or XP machine will be able to read the disc and show you the files. Look for a folder called BD-J if you can find it sometimes its not even authored onot the disc, it will be empty. What you are looking for is a .jar file. The same kind of files you can download http://www.jars.com If the title you placed in your Blu-Ray drive connected to your PC does NOT have a .jar file then it 100% does NOT have BD-J. Oh and if you are thinking "they are hidden". Maybe you should read the UDF 2.5 specification found here: http://www.osta.org/specs/ The Spec does NOT have the ability to 'hide' files. Read the specs before talking about them, please.

Go and buy a $80 tool from Corel that will create a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. The tool will create what is known as an NON Advanced Content version of the spec. BOTH formats have this built in. Most titles from Discovery Channel do NOT use HDi. There is nothing in the specification that says HDi is manditory. I've read both specs MANY times. Please point out the page that says this. The corel tool is here if you need to check the referance:http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satelli.../1173965700866
You can also check out Piniacle's HD-DVD tool if you need to do some research.

Jorg: Have you authored any Blu-Ray Titles to know how complex or how simple something is to make that statement? NOTHING in BD-J is simple i can promise you this. and if you want to give it your best shot get the source code and give it shot here: https://hdcookbook.dev.java.net/ BluWizard is not part of any specification created by the Blu-Ray Group.

Then please write and say that man I did this simple frame by frame animation across the screen and it was actually complex but i created a roll over button to move chapters up and down and that was really easy.

Yes I can name all the titles.
1. The DECNET
2. Big Fish
3. Extraordinary Gentleman
4. Chicken Little
5. Pirates 1
6. Pirates 2
7. Casino Royal
8. Behind Enemy Lines
9. The guardian
10. Dragon's Layer - the company actual decrypted an earlier title to learn how to do BD-J.
11. Behind Ememy Lines

There is no BD-J is Dirty Dancing. Just branching which is part of the spec. There is no BD-J in Weeds either.

Anthony P - Fox does not have many BD-J titles, the problem with your analysis is you've never read the Bd-J spec or the Blu-Ray spec. The Bd-J Spec is just as long as the Blu-Ray Spec and all members of the Blu-Ray Forum have access to both. The title X-Men that was done by a company called MX was a pilot program Fox paid for and required a special custom built PowerDVD player to play. It never made it to real production because none of the players would play it. All but a couple titles Sony has done have been internal R&D. The one that made it to production has been their last.

Seamless menus are NOT BD-J. BD-J is a java application similar to the ones in your cell phone if you have a Java compatible phone. Seamless menus are binary specification files. Each file has a particular purpose. DVD has this, HD-DVD has this, and so does Blu-Ray. There is not "advanced logic" built into these binary files, like in Standard DVD there are variables. You have tried to skip the FBI warning on a standard DVD? This is a variable you set in DVD same concept is in both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.

This has NOTHING to do with BD-J.


Education is the best thing. When i see people say they know that BD-J is this or BD-J is this or that. They just aren't educated about the specifications and are acting out of passion. Nothing wrong with passion but education and passion make a better team! Read this PDF from Sun about BD-J:
http://blogs.sun.com/SEMUG/resource/...JAuthoring.pdf

Also look at the tools on the market. You'll soon realize the differences between Blue and Red are much smaller then you realize. So those small differences that you are passionate about be knowledgeable about them don't just shoot from the hip.

[WickyWoo]

Can you fix the link please? I tried permutations and couldn't get it

This it?

http://blogs.sun.com/SEMUG/entry/son...s_blu_ray_java

You're missing a bunch of titles in your list. Like Kung-Fu Hustle, XXX, Curse of the Golden Flower

There are piles that use BD-J

[GetSmart]

Sorry fixed.

[WickyWoo]

something in how it's parsing the URL is causing it to bomb out

[GetSmart]

the space caused a problem.

[hollywoodguy]

Originally Posted by GetSmart

Yes I can name all the titles.
1. The DECNET
2. Big Fish
3. Extraordinary Gentleman
4. Chicken Little
5. Pirates 1
6. Pirates 2
7. Casino Royal
8. Behind Enemy Lines
9. The guardian
10. Dragon's Layer - the company actual decrypted an earlier title to learn how to do BD-J.
11. Behind Ememy Lines

There is no BD-J is Dirty Dancing. Just branching which is part of the spec. There is no BD-J in Weeds either.

Dirty Dancing- my bad, but Weeds S2 is not a BD-J title, you're absolutely sure? Also, you can add Speed to your list, I'm certain about that.