The Matrix Trilogy discussion

[ITDEFX101]

Originally Posted by scweb13

+1. The freeway chase is amonst the best. The Chateau fight scene was also amazing. Along with Neo's fight with the Agents in the beginning, Trinity's motorcycle dismount/taking out the power station guards scene, Neo and Seraph's fight scene and Trinity's fight with the Agent. There are SO many great scenes in Reloaded and somehow the majority dislike it. The only reason I can think of is the "To be continued" ending.

The Chateau scene was incredible. The music went so well with that scene.

I honestly thought the music in the second movie was the best out of all three. The whole Zion battle and Smith vs Neo music came in second and third.

[Arawn]

One of the things that seemed to piss off the general public about the Matrix sequels was that they released both of them in the same year, within a space of less than six months. Apparently, that kind of thing has the potential to rub people the wrong way.

Too bad the Star Wars franchise wasn't paying attention.

[levcore]

Based on what? They were advertised initially as coming 6 months apart so everyone knew what they were getting.

[drush9999]

Originally Posted by Arawn

One of the things that seemed to piss off the general public about the Matrix sequels was that they released both of them in the same year, within a space of less than six months. Apparently, that kind of thing has the potential to rub people the wrong way.

Too bad the Star Wars franchise wasn't paying attention.

I don't remember anyone being pissed off about that at the time, it was well publicized that they were filming back to back.

Also Solo is a spin-off so not really comparable.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by Arawn

One of the things that seemed to piss off the general public about the Matrix sequels was that they released both of them in the same year, within a space of less than six months. Apparently, that kind of thing has the potential to rub people the wrong way.

Too bad the Star Wars franchise wasn't paying attention.

There is literally ZERO reasons why ANYONE should have been pissed off about them coming out less than 6 months apart. Anyone who would have come up with ANY reason imaginable to be pissed off about that was pure !

The ONLY possible legitimate reason would be that they only go to the theatre ONCE PER CALENDAR YEAR and would have to miss one of the films as a result. And so, you can see where even that legitimate reason is still purely !

They could have opened them together on the same weekend and I wouldn’t have been pissed. I would have been broke, but not pissed! I saw Reloaded 8 times in the first 7 days that it was screening. I would have had to see Revolutions 8 times in the first 7 days as well!

[ITDEFX101]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

There is literally ZERO reasons why ANYONE should have been pissed off about them coming out less than 6 months apart. Anyone who would have come up with ANY reason imaginable to be pissed off about that was pure !

The ONLY possible legitimate reason would be that they only go to the theatre ONCE PER CALENDAR YEAR and would have to miss one of the films as a result. And so, you can see where even that legitimate reason is still purely !

I remembered the midnight release of Reloaded had packed theaters. Revolutions comes around and there is no Midnight release and the late Friday afternoon showing has like 8 people :\

[Dr Lenera]

I couldn't decide whether to vote for option 2 or option 3, though I went with 3 in the end. I think Revolutions is a tad disappointing, but the trilogy to me is still a tremendous achievement. I could never understand the poor general reaction to Reloaded when it was faster paced and more action packed than the first film. There are times when I think I prefer it. I guess the Architect's speech annoyed many because he says some not-that-complicated information in a very complicated fashion....the Wachowski's at their oddest and most subversive. Personally I love 'em, and think Cloud Atlas is possibly even better than the Matrix trilogy.

[kylor]

The Ending of The Matrix Trilogy Finally Explained - YouTube

[ArrestedDevelopment]

Looks like ArcLight cinemas are playing The Matrix for one night only on March 31.

[UltraMario9]

First time seeing this and it's pretty awesome:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4om...ature=youtu.be

[puddy77]

The Matrix is getting a 20th Anniversary release in Dolby Cinema for one week starting 8/29.

[Himmel]

http://youtu.be/bm9aj67D2oU

Source

[imsounoriginal]

Tempting, only because I never saw it in theaters originally.

[Himmel]

Bill Pope reflects on ‘THE MATRIX’ sequels:

Everything that was good about the first experience was not good about the last two. We weren’t free anymore. People were looking at you. There was a lot of pressure. In my heart, I didn’t like them.” Source

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[NARMAK]

Personally loved the first and Reloaded imo had a problem of where action didn't really blend in with the story as well as the first and Revolutions by the end was a mess. I just don't think they really went down the right method shall we say of finishing the sequels story because it seemed to get pegged back in keeping your interest as well as the first.

If there was going to be a sequel written for the first Matrix, in my mind i would have found a way to keep it moreso in the Matrix and the fight to help free more trapped minds and concentrate on the Machines pushing back in new ways and set up a war for the real world as a teaser at the end. Then find a way to bridge the 3rd movie as a peace agreement being reached. Ultimately the same destination by the end but the journey would have been kuch different.

I think Smith would have operated differently too in the way i would potentially have set up the story for a sequel than a self replicating virus shouting "Me, Me, Me" and causing a massive issue of having to arrange all those physical and CGI doubles. Instead maybe having the machines bring back a backup copy with all the hate of Smith in an upgraded form. Like Serpah for example who is a machine programme but appears to have overcome Agents in the past. Perhaps even showing off his character and journey to becoming the guardian of the Oracle a little more.

[Gacivory]

Originally Posted by Himmel

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Bill Pope also said

“Pope looks back on the two films with respect. As the DP told Deakins, “I just transferred them all to 4K for archive purposes at Warners. and I wrote the Wachowkis and Keanu and Carrie Ann that we did a good job [on the sequels], we should be proud of them.””

https://www.indiewire.com/2020/07/th...ng-1234573077/

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by Gacivory

Bill Pope also said

https://www.indiewire.com/2020/07/th...ng-1234573077/

So he's a liar?

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

So he's a liar?

After that quote he really says what he thinks about the sequels.

In his heart he didn't like them. There was less freedom, they wanted to go a different direction.

Starts at timecode: 36.00.

https://teamdeakins.libsyn.com/bill-pope

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

After that quote he really says what he thinks about the sequels.

In his heart he didn't like them. There was less freedom, they wanted to go a different direction.

Starts at timecode: 36.00.

https://teamdeakins.libsyn.com/bill-pope

That's kinda what i mean. People just take stuff outta context for quotes. His true feeling is that the sequels didn't live up to the original and the sequels were being from what i gather influenced more at a studio level probably due to the massive success of the original.

To me, i do agree with him and maybe it would be interesting to know what direction he meant they wanted to take but didn't.

[CreasyBear]

The Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions seem about as far from being influenced by the studio as possible as far big budget movies go.