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Im only really a fan of the original but I suppopse the 2nd and 3rd films are OK. Sort of. But, this is just another remake/reboot thing that I have zero interest in. The gender or sexuality of any characetr has no bearing on it at all. No reason to remake any of these.
Article reeks of homophobia when the writer states this:
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Okay, so yeah that’s a little icky. But… I guess, kudos for Englund being woke. As for the inclusivity… I mean, I got dragged to see ‘Love, Simon’ at the theater, so… clearly I can sit through anything.
Absolutely nothing. A lot of people thought highly of it.
This guy just seems to be pandering to an audience for clicks, especially following the reevaluation of "Freddy's Revenge" now that Mark Patton is back in the spotlight and the release of "Scream, Queen". Having read the original article, Englund makes a good point on how it could work in this day and age.
I've said it once and i'll say it again, it's time for these franchises like Elm Street with Hellraiser, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Saw, Scream and
The last time they did a remake of Elm Street, it was a disaster with unlikable characters, poor script, horrible CGI, the lines were just "Elm Street's greatest hits" of being stolen from the other movies, ripping off some scenes from other movies, no imagination etc and while Jackie is a good actor, his freddy sucked as it was void of soul/charisma/personality/intimidation factor, that frog face and has a laughable southern hick accent that sounds like Rorschach meets Sling Blade. Can't do it, Robert IS Freddy! as much as Angus Scrimm IS Tallman and Bruce Campbel IS Ash Williams.
Freddy Krueger, Ash Williams (Evil Dead franchise) and Tallman (Phantasm) aren't the same as Jason, Michael Myers, Leatherface and Ghostface. Where Jason, Michael and Leatherface you can recast because Michael Myers, Jason Voorhees and Leatherface don't speak and don't rely upon anything other than a physical presence to make them spring to life. Ghostface is just a costume as any gender can be under there when revealed.
Those characters Jason Michael and Leatherface or Ghostface don't rely upon actors with unique personalities or charisma to bring them to life or to ultimately make them what they are. Where with Freddy, Tallman or even Ash, the actor has to be both a physical and an emotional presence. Which is what makes those roles nearly impossible to recast. Because of how closely tied they are to the actor's performance.
The actor's performances in A Nightmare On Elm Street or Phantasm or Evil Dead were the largest factor in the success and impact of those characters. Their unique personalities and charisma is what made those characters cinematic horror icons. Without them those characters are one and done and nothing but distant memories. I do think Tallman DIED with Angus Scrimm as Scrimm will be remembered forever as The Tallman and now that Robert said he's too old to be Freddy and all, i'd say let Freddy die with Robert now that Robert has retired the character, for one day when he dies Freddy dies with him and it should be respected that way.
I'm just tired of these worn out franchises like Elm Street, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Saw and Hellraiser coming out in theaters even direct to video over and over again, your just gonna get diminishing returns. Some franchises just need to die already. I shouldn't feel that way about franchises i like, i do like Friday The 13th Elm Street , Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Scream (3 was the last good one for me as it should had ended there) etc. the reason i'm clamoring for them to die is because i like them because i care about them, there's no reason to keep trotting the out there because of familiar name.
After hearing of another Texas Chainsaw Massacre so-called True sequel", another Elm Street film another Scream film and Hellraiser TV show. it's time for these franchise to rest in peace, there's nothing to gain to continuing to bring these icons to the big screen. If you can't do something unique or inventive or original with these characters or do anything else storywise. There is no point in bringing them back, put the time and effort that you would put in these lazy cashgrab sequels/reboots that prey on horror fans's nostalgia and make something unique and different that is it's own franchise and concept and new icon.
Stop digging up old icons/franchises like Freddy, Jason, Pinhead, Jigasw, Ghostface, Leatherface etc, and propping them up on the screen like they are new, they are not, they are old. Old is still good and great, i love Freddy, Leatherface and iconic cinematic horror icons, and because i love them, i don't want them to keep making lazy shitty films to ride the cottail of a franchise that is popular. If there's nothing new you can do with them or anything that different even storywise, then let them rest in peace. Otherwise our destroying their legacy, not helping them.
At least the Child's Play remake which i enjoyed did something different with the material and was the best Child's Play film since the first 3 films when the franchise was called "Child's Play" not "Of Chucky" and an improvement over the last 4 lousy films. The remake movie actually breathed new life in the franchise and has the spirit of the first 3 Child's Play film when Chucky was actually scary and not a joke like in the last 4 films. Plus actual likable characters like in the first 3 films and good creative kills and wasn't a parody like the last 4 films and this remake was a passion project of having something different. It wasn't a lazy halfassed copy and paste remake like Elm Street and Poltergeist where it steals stuff from the other films even other lines throw them into a movie or a pure carbon copy like Psycho and Omen.
If you can't do anything that different or new even storywise just like Child's Play 2019 with properties like Hellraiser, Saw, Elm Street, Scream, Texas Chainsaw Massacre etc.then there's no point in bringing them back.
I still think Spiral should had been it's own franchise and own movie and not a spinoff to a dead franchise like Saw which should had died along time ago. I mean i love Chris Rock and appreciate him trying to do a horror film but i really wish it was it's own film and own potential franchise instead of being part of a dead one.
I hate to lump an entire fanbse together, There is a large majority of horror fans with lowered expectations or next to no standards.. You see it alot with a box-office take on Halloween 2018 or Elm Street remake 2010. Not to knock people but i'm just fraustrated as i just want more creative juices flowing in the mainstream horror genre. and want some creative juices in the mainstream like Crawl and Get out or Quiet Place instead of w horing franchises like Hellraiser or Elm Street for money.
I'm tired of the mainstream playing it safe and they need risks again like in the old days.
At least i'm glad audiences supported Get Out, It Follows and Quiet Place as those took risks and made them blockbusters as the mainstream horror genre needed something fresh than another ghost film, another found footage film, another remake, another sequel/reboot/prequel to a dead franchise, teenybooper piece of crap like Quija etc. I do like Conjuring 1 and 2 but not the cash-in spin-offs and i'm no fan of the Conjuring spin-offs (Annabelle and Nun) and Insidious but at least it's something different, well not quite, it's not the same horror franchises i've already seen with same icons, they are trying to create their own new horror icons and giving it an effort. Even Happy Death Day 1 and 2 which were hits, it's something different and trying to create it's own new horror icon and gave it an effort. Just try again mainstream, try try try again.
I don't want reheated leftovers from the 70s, 80s and 90s with the same scenes i've seen mutiple times from the other movies rearranged and thrown into a movie, i don't want that. Yes they tasted delicious back in the day and still do in some instances. I don't want more of it, i'm satisfied with what i have. Not all horror fans are like "i'm excited they are coming back to the big screen", some do actually have standards and are like "this is bullshit! i had enough of this! can we please get something fresh and different".
Now The Collector is something new and different as it's creating a new franchise and icon. The other franchises i mentioned like Elm Street, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Scream etc. are stale and have been laid to rest for a reason. We do not need to keep bringing them back, there's no point other than a cheap cash grab.
That's really it. I don't. I don't buy the reason "it introduces them to a new generation" that's a lazy excuse to say such a thing for a lazy sequel/reboot/remake as nowadays we have streaming platforms to discover classics on their own and that's the fun of it with streaming services nowadays to discover classics and if they like it then they would want to buy a blu-ray or UHD 4K BD if they are staring to become a horror fan after hearing things in internet and magazines and books.
I know it hurts, but sometimes if you love something, the best thing is for you to let them go from film and only be in merchandise. In this instant with the horror icons like Leatherface, Freddy, Ghostface, Jason, Pinhead, Jigsaw etc. the best thing for those icons and their franchises is to let them go, let them stay where they are instead of releasing sequel after sequel and reboot after reboot with diminishing returns and quality even worse after each movie. even on the big screen until they are no longer profitable.
Why tarnish their legacy anymore than its already tarnished? it's just my personal thoughts. Some horror Icons with their franchises should stay buried from film (Freddy Leatherface Ghostface Jigsaw and Pinhead), not because their old and not great for modern day standards but because they had their time. But Ideas for these Icons aren't really needed anymore, its the same thing. I want more Original monsters like "The Babadook" "It Follows" etc.
It's just those franchises (TCM Saw Elm Street Scream Hellraiser etc) had ran their course, they are like the Universal monsters as they got driven into the ground until it became diminishing returns then became jokes and were overplayed and became such an aspect of popular culture that were was no need to do anymore for decades and i think we are already at that point. I think it's time to move on and make new horror icons and franchises.
Robert Englund is an actor who hasn't been in anything major since Freddy vs Jason now almost 20 years ago. What he wants, I doubt the studios will even listen to. Didn't he himself made some drafts for Nightmare pitches that never got used? Just saying.
I've said it once and i'll say it again, it's time for these franchises like Elm Street with Hellraiser, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Saw, Scream and
The last time they did a remake of Elm Street, it was a disaster with unlikable characters, poor script, horrible CGI, the lines were just "Elm Street's greatest hits" of being stolen from the other movies, ripping off some scenes from other movies, no imagination etc and while Jackie is a good actor, his freddy sucked as it was void of soul/charisma/personality/intimidation factor, that frog face and has a laughable southern hick accent that sounds like Rorschach meets Sling Blade. Can't do it, Robert IS Freddy! as much as Angus Scrimm IS Tallman and Bruce Campbel IS Ash Williams.
Freddy Krueger, Ash Williams (Evil Dead franchise) and Tallman (Phantasm) aren't the same as Jason, Michael Myers, Leatherface and Ghostface. Where Jason, Michael and Leatherface you can recast because Michael Myers, Jason Voorhees and Leatherface don't speak and don't rely upon anything other than a physical presence to make them spring to life. Ghostface is just a costume as any gender can be under there when revealed.
Those characters Jason Michael and Leatherface or Ghostface don't rely upon actors with unique personalities or charisma to bring them to life or to ultimately make them what they are. Where with Freddy, Tallman or even Ash, the actor has to be both a physical and an emotional presence. Which is what makes those roles nearly impossible to recast. Because of how closely tied they are to the actor's performance.
The actor's performances in A Nightmare On Elm Street or Phantasm or Evil Dead were the largest factor in the success and impact of those characters. Their unique personalities and charisma is what made those characters cinematic horror icons. Without them those characters are one and done and nothing but distant memories. I do think Tallman DIED with Angus Scrimm as Scrimm will be remembered forever as The Tallman and now that Robert said he's too old to be Freddy and all, i'd say let Freddy die with Robert now that Robert has retired the character, for one day when he dies Freddy dies with him and it should be respected that way.
I'm just tired of these worn out franchises like Elm Street, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Saw and Hellraiser coming out in theaters even direct to video over and over again, your just gonna get diminishing returns. Some franchises just need to die already. I shouldn't feel that way about franchises i like, i do like Friday The 13th Elm Street , Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Scream (3 was the last good one for me as it should had ended there) etc. the reason i'm clamoring for them to die is because i like them because i care about them, there's no reason to keep trotting the out there because of familiar name.
After hearing of another Texas Chainsaw Massacre so-called True sequel", another Elm Street film another Scream film and Hellraiser TV show. it's time for these franchise to rest in peace, there's nothing to gain to continuing to bring these icons to the big screen. If you can't do something unique or inventive or original with these characters or do anything else storywise. There is no point in bringing them back, put the time and effort that you would put in these lazy cashgrab sequels/reboots that prey on horror fans's nostalgia and make something unique and different that is it's own franchise and concept and new icon.
Stop digging up old icons/franchises like Freddy, Jason, Pinhead, Jigasw, Ghostface, Leatherface etc, and propping them up on the screen like they are new, they are not, they are old. Old is still good and great, i love Freddy, Leatherface and iconic cinematic horror icons, and because i love them, i don't want them to keep making lazy shitty films to ride the cottail of a franchise that is popular. If there's nothing new you can do with them or anything that different even storywise, then let them rest in peace. Otherwise our destroying their legacy, not helping them.
At least the Child's Play remake which i enjoyed did something different with the material and was the best Child's Play film since the first 3 films when the franchise was called "Child's Play" not "Of Chucky" and an improvement over the last 4 lousy films. The remake movie actually breathed new life in the franchise and has the spirit of the first 3 Child's Play film when Chucky was actually scary and not a joke like in the last 4 films. Plus actual likable characters like in the first 3 films and good creative kills and wasn't a parody like the last 4 films and this remake was a passion project of having something different. It wasn't a lazy halfassed copy and paste remake like Elm Street and Poltergeist where it steals stuff from the other films even other lines throw them into a movie or a pure carbon copy like Psycho and Omen.
If you can't do anything that different or new even storywise just like Child's Play 2019 with properties like Hellraiser, Saw, Elm Street, Scream, Texas Chainsaw Massacre etc.then there's no point in bringing them back.
I still think Spiral should had been it's own franchise and own movie and not a spinoff to a dead franchise like Saw which should had died along time ago. I mean i love Chris Rock and appreciate him trying to do a horror film but i really wish it was it's own film and own potential franchise instead of being part of a dead one.
I hate to lump an entire fanbse together, There is a large majority of horror fans with lowered expectations or next to no standards.. You see it alot with a box-office take on Halloween 2018 or Elm Street remake 2010. Not to knock people but i'm just fraustrated as i just want more creative juices flowing in the mainstream horror genre. and want some creative juices in the mainstream like Crawl and Get out or Quiet Place instead of w horing franchises like Hellraiser or Elm Street for money.
I'm tired of the mainstream playing it safe and they need risks again like in the old days.
At least i'm glad audiences supported Get Out, It Follows and Quiet Place as those took risks and made them blockbusters as the mainstream horror genre needed something fresh than another ghost film, another found footage film, another remake, another sequel/reboot/prequel to a dead franchise, teenybooper piece of crap like Quija etc. I do like Conjuring 1 and 2 but not the cash-in spin-offs and i'm no fan of the Conjuring spin-offs (Annabelle and Nun) and Insidious but at least it's something different, well not quite, it's not the same horror franchises i've already seen with same icons, they are trying to create their own new horror icons and giving it an effort. Even Happy Death Day 1 and 2 which were hits, it's something different and trying to create it's own new horror icon and gave it an effort. Just try again mainstream, try try try again.
I don't want reheated leftovers from the 70s, 80s and 90s with the same scenes i've seen mutiple times from the other movies rearranged and thrown into a movie, i don't want that. Yes they tasted delicious back in the day and still do in some instances. I don't want more of it, i'm satisfied with what i have. Not all horror fans are like "i'm excited they are coming back to the big screen", some do actually have standards and are like "this is bullshit! i had enough of this! can we please get something fresh and different".
Now The Collector is something new and different as it's creating a new franchise and icon. The other franchises i mentioned like Elm Street, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Scream etc. are stale and have been laid to rest for a reason. We do not need to keep bringing them back, there's no point other than a cheap cash grab.
That's really it. I don't. I don't buy the reason "it introduces them to a new generation" that's a lazy excuse to say such a thing for a lazy sequel/reboot/remake as nowadays we have streaming platforms to discover classics on their own and that's the fun of it with streaming services nowadays to discover classics and if they like it then they would want to buy a blu-ray or UHD 4K BD if they are staring to become a horror fan after hearing things in internet and magazines and books.
I know it hurts, but sometimes if you love something, the best thing is for you to let them go from film and only be in merchandise. In this instant with the horror icons like Leatherface, Freddy, Ghostface, Jason, Pinhead, Jigsaw etc. the best thing for those icons and their franchises is to let them go, let them stay where they are instead of releasing sequel after sequel and reboot after reboot with diminishing returns and quality even worse after each movie. even on the big screen until they are no longer profitable.
Why tarnish their legacy anymore than its already tarnished? it's just my personal thoughts. Some horror Icons with their franchises should stay buried from film (Freddy Leatherface Ghostface Jigsaw and Pinhead), not because their old and not great for modern day standards but because they had their time. But Ideas for these Icons aren't really needed anymore, its the same thing. I want more Original monsters like "The Babadook" "It Follows" etc.
It's just those franchises (TCM Saw Elm Street Scream Hellraiser etc) had ran their course, they are like the Universal monsters as they got driven into the ground until it became diminishing returns then became jokes and were overplayed and became such an aspect of popular culture that were was no need to do anymore for decades and i think we are already at that point. I think it's time to move on and make new horror icons and franchises.
Amen, brother. Let them die off. Its over. Done. Get out the fork and insert it. They do this with far too many franchises that are long since dead. Look at the Alien and Terminator franchises - both contain a couple of all-time classic films but the prequels sequels, remakes, etc are all pure crap and only harm the brand name.
Thats what is going to hapen if they keep up this nonsesne. The classic horror films are classics due to the perfomances, the direction, the time they were released and a whle lot of other unseen factors. They just worked. Period. We all love them and own them. But, they gotta knock it off. Especially when the remake or reboot looks to change a key component of the original that just feels out of place. Please stop. Get creative for a change. There has been some great horror released over the last 5-10 years so it can be done.
I think the horror big 4 of Leatherface, Jason, Freddy and Michael still have some life in them. Just have to do it the right way.
Hell, any classic horror franchise/monster can find new life and avenues with the right talent and passion. Halloween (2018) in my opinion is the best sequel to the original movie out of all the others by a wide margin. The Invisible Man (2020) brought the Universal Monster back in a unique and modern way that was also a damn great thriller. I don't think any classic franchise or characters are beyond having new quality entries with the right people involved. Mike Flanagan (Oculus, Doctor Sleep, The Haunting of Hill House [2018]) has expressed interest in making a new Elm Street and if there's any filmmaker that can make a fresh and high quality take on Elm Street and Freddy, it's going to be Mike Flanagan. Original horror is of course needed and highly welcome, but abandoning the classics despite the chance that a good filmmaker could find a great take on the property would be doing a great disservice to these iconic properties.
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