Psycho (1960) (60th Anniversary Edition) (Uncut)

[crissrudd4554]

Frankenstein’s been the same since 2004.

https://vimeo.com/393558984

[DR Herbert West]

Originally Posted by Latheofheaven

What... do you have your head far up some corpse's @ss at the moment and couldn't be bothered, or what...?

You know me too well...

[Latheofheaven]

Originally Posted by DR Herbert West

You know me too well...

Only YOU would have the exact gif for this...

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Monterey Jack

An American Tail hasn't had the original theatrical stereo sound mix since the era of VHS and laserdisc, so we've been stuck with the ghastly 5.1 remix since the initial DVD release in 2004. Not only rife with added "cartoony" sound effects, but also additional background "walla" has been added in pretty much any quiet scene without dialogue, and even some of the voice tracks have been totally redubbed!

[Show spoiler]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCgWnA2cprg

It's rendered the movie pretty much unwatchable for anyone remembering what it's "supposed" to sound like. I was hoping the Blu release would have offered the original audio as an option, but no, and I doubt this is the kind of catalogue title Universal's gonna put out on UHD anytime soon.

Here's the opening credits ripped from the original VHS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uflx5nPwcCs

Now, imagine that push-in to the house that accompanies the "directed by Don Bluth" credit overlaid with extraneous human voices chattering away, completely obscuring James Horner's lovely music.

My god... Those different voices... WTF were they thinking? What was wrong with using the original (and superior) voices?

[bobbyh64]

When a company has a disc replacement program, how long does it generally take before the newer version is available to purchase?

[DR Herbert West]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

When a company has a disc replacement program, how long does it generally take before the newer version is available to purchase?

A few months, but you still have to worry about getting old stock.

[Eidolon]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

[/spoiler]

My god... Those different voices... WTF were they thinking? What was wrong with using the original (and superior) voices?

It comes across as if they wanted the change the characters from children into adults with the different voices :/

[Monterey Jack]

Originally Posted by Eidolon

It comes across as if they wanted the change the characters from children into adults with the different voices :/

What's really weird is that the re-dubbed voices actually match the mouth movements more closely. Listen to the line in the redubbed version where one of the orphans says, "You're nothing, you're junk, you're trash!", and it perfectly matches the lip-synch, where as the original version "Yeah, you're one of us now!" does not.

Regardless, I hate the new voices. The tragedy of that scene in the original version is that Fievel was getting shoved around by orphaned kids who were only a few years older than he was, yet already had the jaded cynicism of adults due to their lot in life. By re-dubbing them with adult actors with goofy voices, it ruins the intent. I also miss the tossed-off "Pity-ful!" at the end.

[Dailyan]

Originally Posted by Monterey Jack

What's really weird is that the re-dubbed voices actually match the mouth movements more closely. Listen to the line in the redubbed version where one of the orphans says, "You're nothing, you're junk, you're trash!", and it perfectly matches the lip-synch, where as the original version "Yeah, you're one of us now!" does not.

That’s because adult voices were the original voices (and animated to those tracks) before they changed it to actual kids for obvious reasons. I assume Uni accessed an early mix as the basis for the 5.1 track and whoever prepped the mix never saw the film or consulted Bluth.

[Monterey Jack]

Originally Posted by Dailyan

That’s because adult voices were the original voices (and animated to those tracks) before they changed it to actual kids for obvious reasons. I assume Uni accessed an early mix as the basis for the 5.1 track and whoever prepped the mix never saw the film or consulted Bluth.

Regardless, I want those original voices back.

[Professor Echo]

Originally Posted by litemakr

This has been a problem in a few releases. Superman the Movie and Grease come to mind as also having terrible remixes with radically changed sound effects and music mixes. Fans complained bitterly about those as well and it took years (20 for Grease!) to get the original soundtracks added back to home video releases. Grease no longer even has the remix as an option, but on Superman it is still the default track. The original Dolby mix is there though if you want to hear it.

I always go with the original theatrical release sound first, but I’m not above at least one repeat screening with a remix, just for the curiosity factor or to have fun with my sound system. Some I’ve enjoyed, like GOLDFINGER, but most have been abhorrent, starting with that stepping in dog crap track on the 90’s “restoration” of VERTIGO.

Pardon my ignorance on the subject, but is there a way to do a multichannel remix without resorting to new foley work or otherwise imposing replacement music or sound effects? If so, what have been some of the better ones on disc?

[Dailyan]

Originally Posted by Professor Echo

Pardon my ignorance on the subject, but is there a way to do a multichannel remix without resorting to new foley work or otherwise imposing replacement music or sound effects?

Not really. The 5.1 "remix" of films like "Judgment at Nuremberg" or "The Manchurian Candidate" are generally worked from a finalized mono element and they sound terrible with fake stereo effects like phasing (then there's also the aggressive filtering that makes the whole film sound even more like arse).

[crissrudd4554]

Originally Posted by Professor Echo

Pardon my ignorance on the subject, but is there a way to do a multichannel remix without resorting to new foley work or otherwise imposing replacement music or sound effects? If so, what have been some of the better ones on disc?

It depends. If it’s a film that has many elements that need to be separated than creating a faithful mix can be difficult. However I have seen some instances where a film that was originally mono have been upgraded to surround with the mixes being largely faithful to the original. Willy Wonka and Breakfast Club come to mind.

[thatguamguy]

Originally Posted by Professor Echo

Pardon my ignorance on the subject, but is there a way to do a multichannel remix without resorting to new foley work or otherwise imposing replacement music or sound effects? If so, what have been some of the better ones on disc?

In theory it would be possible, but in reality, it's rare for films to save the raw audio "stems" which would be required. Also, a big problem is that if post-production is rushed, it's possible that raw stems don't even exist, that things like ADR might not be recorded "clean". For instance, the English dub track of "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" only exists with the music mixed in, which is why they can't do the uncut torture scene in any English version.

[jkoffman]

Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

It was never super clear, but you can barely (if at all) make out Norman screaming

[Show spoiler]"I'm Norma Bates" at the climax when he runs into the cellar with the knife

in the new mix. If it weren't for the subtitles, you'd never know he says it.

Wait, what?? After all this talk of the original mono, I watched the previous BR in mono and didn't hear that at all! Though I wasn't listening for it either.

[jkoffman]

Originally Posted by litemakr

Dear Customer,
We apologize that you are having difficulty with your copy of Psycho (1960) 4K.

Gotta love the never-ending refusal to admit error. YOU are having difficulty with YOUR copy. Just YOU, not us! Haha.

[jayman3]

Okay. So I purchased the Best Buy 4K steelbook. Now I hear that both discs have faulty audio and Universal is correcting that?

How or what are the steps to ensure this happens?

Thank you!

[Majin Blu]

Originally Posted by jayman3

Okay. So I purchased the Best Buy 4K steelbook. Now I hear that both discs have faulty audio and Universal is correcting that?

How or what are the steps to ensure this happens?

Thank you!

Dear Customer,

We apologize that you are having difficulty with your copy of Psycho (1960) 4K.

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We hope that you will continue to enjoy this and future Universal releases.

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[bobbyh64]

Sounds like they’re only going to replace the 4K disc and not the BD. If they are, they need to word that better.

[Craig Beam]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

Sounds like they’re only going to replace the 4K disc and not the BD. If they are, they need to word that better.

I specified in my email that I wanted *both* the UHD and the BD discs replaced.