ABC's "Lost" Discussion (2004-2010)

[zicmubleu]

Originally Posted by tilapiah6

One more day! Finally a

[Show spoiler]Hurley/Miles centric

episode!

Yeah maybe Miles will discuss time travel some more and rehash "what ever happened, happened" and its corollary "what ever will happpen, will happen." I really dislike this concept of time travel, sorry Stephie, xtop tilapiah and the Others.

[Show spoiler]you're a very hostile group!

If "what ever happened, happened", WEH2, it follows that the future is also fixed, no deviations are allowed. Say you are back in 1954, and it is current time, suddenly some people from the future appear, and tell you to bury that H-bomb under a lot of concrete. Since that has to happen from now on, WEH2, then the future people also have to exist and visit you in exactly that same manner, "what ever will happen, will happen", WEWHWH

[Show spoiler]wheh!, even the acronym is hard to write

. So if the past is fixed and the future is fixed what's the point in time travel?

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by zicmubleu

So if the past is fixed and the future is fixed what's the point in time travel?

The point would be because you had already traveled in time. To do what needed to be done. It's like saying I went to the past and dropped a pen that my former self would use to write a letter. I tell myself that I need to go back in time in later on to give myself the pen. When I grow up I need to go back in time and give myself the pen because it already happened. There's no way to avoid it because it's a fact even though my past self doesn't know it yet.

You can jump forwards and backwards in time all you want but can't change anythign that happened or will happen because the timeline is fixed and if you move forward or back it's all a part of the story. There are paradoxes but I think that's only when two of the same things occupy the same space in time. i.e. the two bunnies.

It makes time travel and time very simple and complicated at the same time. I love it.

[SiegeStryke]

i was thinking...we all know the series has this season and one more to go before it finishes. the writers are finally answering the questions of the show. But what if the writers werent tied to wrapping up the show in one more season? Where do you think we would be in the storyline now? Would we even be past the time jumping, or even further back (no pun intended)

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by SiegeStryke

i was thinking...we all know the series has this season and one more to go before it finishes. the writers are finally answering the questions of the show. But what if the writers werent tied to wrapping up the show in one more season? Where do you think we would be in the storyline now? Would we even be past the time jumping, or even further back (no pun intended)

Well I think it was either last season or the season before that, which they announced that each season would have a 'purpose'.

This is my take on what the seasons so far has been their purpose been:
Season 1 - Introducing Front Half of Plane
Season 2 - Introducing Second Half of Plane
Season 3 - Introducing The Others
Season 4 - Introducing Charles Widmore
Season 5 - Introducing The Dharma Initiative

I wonder what the theme for Season 6 will be.

I'm guessing:

Season 6 - Introducing The Island/Jacob

[SiegeStryke]

well just looked on TV.com and <SPOILER SPOILER>

[Show spoiler] looks like daniel is in tonights episode and even bigger, next weeks is called "The Variable" (a play off "the Constant" Im guessing) and the plot summery says Daniel comes clean about what he knows of the island

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by SiegeStryke

well just looked on TV.com and <SPOILER SPOILER>

[Show spoiler] looks like daniel is in tonights episode and even bigger, next weeks is called "The Variable" (a play off "the Constant" Im guessing) and the plot summery says Daniel comes clean about what he knows of the island

[Show spoiler]Yeah, I think there's a lot more in that little notebook than he will tell anyone.

I get the feeling that when Daniel went and told Desmond that he needs to go see his mom, that there's a note to himself reminding him to tell Desmond that. I really think Daniel's notebook is from himself and he gives it to Ellie to give to him.

[ht_skinny]

A lil off topic but dooes anyone else think there is any significance to Locke's shoes? Alright hear me out... Jack got the shoes from his grandfather because he didn't give his father a pair of shoes when he died. Well he puts em on Locke when he's in the coffin. But what I thought was weird was that after rewatching "Dead is Dead" today, I noticed when Locke and Ben take the canoe, Locke makes sure to be seen putting his shoes in a backpack, then when they dock at Dharmaville, they feel the need to show you that Locke waits, takes the shoes back outta the bag and puts em on. But Ben just has his on the whole time.

It might seem like something small and inferior but maybe it has to do with John's new knowledge of the island and now knowing that Christian is Jack's father.

[zicmubleu]

Originally Posted by mikejet

Tonight will be interesting. Who's in the bag?

I don't even remember a bag? You don't mean the big luggage bin do you?

Originally Posted by mikejet

You can jump forwards and backwards in time all you want but can't change anythign that happened or will happen because the timeline is fixed and if you move forward or back it's all a part of the story. There are paradoxes but I think that's only when two of the same things occupy the same space in time. i.e. the two bunnies.

You are making my point. You can't jump forwards and backwards in time all you want, only as much as future self has decided. And future self's future self before that. What you are describing is like watching a film of yourself at least for past events. But at least you can photoshop it. For movie purposes I don't see how this adds a dimension to the plot. I guess I am too dense for this, I like the time travel where people try to change things and it either does change things or somehow time self corrects. At least there seems to be a point in traveling in time. Even a Blu-ray can give you alternate endings!

Originally Posted by ht_skinny

A lil off topic but dooes anyone else think there is any significance to Locke's shoes? Alright hear me out... Jack got the shoes from his grandfather because he didn't give his father a pair of shoes when he died. Well he puts em on Locke when he's in the coffin. But what I thought was weird was that after rewatching "Dead is Dead" today, I noticed when Locke and Ben take the canoe, Locke makes sure to be seen putting his shoes in a backpack, then when they dock at Dharmaville, they feel the need to show you that Locke waits, takes the shoes back outta the bag and puts em on. But Ben just has his on the whole time.

It might seem like something small and inferior but maybe it has to do with John's new knowledge of the island and now knowing that Christian is Jack's father.

Maybe Locke will hook up with someone like Claire, go back in time to an earlier period, have a son named Christian and he will truly own those shoes! Of course on the flip side maybe Christian will recognize the shoes and will be pissed off that he is wearing shoes he had given his father in the past and have the island take him out!

[itsBlu2U]

Originally Posted by ht_skinny

A lil off topic but dooes anyone else think there is any significance to Locke's shoes? Alright hear me out... Jack got the shoes from his grandfather because he didn't give his father a pair of shoes when he died. Well he puts em on Locke when he's in the coffin. But what I thought was weird was that after rewatching "Dead is Dead" today, I noticed when Locke and Ben take the canoe, Locke makes sure to be seen putting his shoes in a backpack, then when they dock at Dharmaville, they feel the need to show you that Locke waits, takes the shoes back outta the bag and puts em on. But Ben just has his on the whole time.

It might seem like something small and inferior but maybe it has to do with John's new knowledge of the island and now knowing that Christian is Jack's father.

saw everything you mentioned, didn't even thing twice about it, good point though, thats the way Lost tends to feed clues to us through scenes like that


+1 on claire being dead, someone on here brought up the quote from Miles about "I'm Ok"-claire "Aaah I'm not so sure" -Miles (along those lines) after the DI house explosion, so claire's dead, ghost whisper said it himself

[Rblu-Dblu]

If Claire was dead, then why would everyone still be able to see and hear her? We know Miles can talk to dead people but I dont remember him ever seeing them. But then of course John Locke died and now everyone can see and talk to him. I'm so confused.

[Ator the Invincible]

I'm very interested to see what's up with Miles tonight. He's by far the least developed of all the regulars on the show. They've teased us with glimpses of his ability to speak with the dead, but we've never seen his significance yet. And the very real possibility that he's Dr. Candle's son adds to the intrigue. It should be a good one tonight!

(NOTE: I know that Dr. Candle is just one of several fake names he used in the videos, but he'll always be Dr. Candle to me! )

[Ator the Invincible]

Originally Posted by Rblu-Dblu

If Claire was dead, then why would everyone still be able to see and hear her? We know Miles can talk to dead people but I dont remember him ever seeing them. But then of course John Locke died and now everyone can see and talk to him. I'm so confused.

People have been seeing dead people on the island since season 1. We don't know why that is exactly or what the nature of these "ghosts" is, but it's certainly nothing new.

[itsBlu2U]

and Miles and Juilette are two people that really know more about whats happening then there letting anyone know

and you'd think Juilette would have told (young bald Locke, lol) Sawyer more about what she knows given their living together for 3 years and seem in love, thats a little strange, she holding something back big time

another note: thinking about the time wheel, if there is something on the Island a "tool", that can control time and space, could there be a "tool" on the Island used to give and take life, only other logical thing right?

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by itsBlu2U

and Miles and Juilette are two people that really know more about whats happening then there letting anyone know

and you'd think Juilette would have told (young bald Locke, lol) Sawyer more about what she knows given their living together for 3 years and seem in love, thats a little strange, she holding something back big time

another note: thinking about the time wheel, if there is something on the Island a "tool", that can control time and space, could there be a "tool" on the Island used to give and take life, only other logical thing right?

About every week I have to re-emphasize this line from Juliette stating just how much she knows about the island when asked why Richard doesn't age:

"Richard? Hes always been on the island."

[mikejet]

How long into the 3 years do you think it took Sawyer and Juliette to hook up?

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by mikejet

How long into the 3 years do you think it took Sawyer and Juliette to hook up?

Day 3.

Juliette has always been attracted to men with power.

Just look at her 2 past boyfriends.

Ben and Jack.

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by Marine Mike

Day 3.

Juliette has always been attracted to men with power.

Just look at her 2 past boyfriends.

Ben and Jack.

Was she ever officially with Ben or Jack? I thought Ben was jealous because she had chosen someone else.

I don't think Jack ever got nookie on the island. It wasn't until after they got back to LA that him and Kate hooked up.

[dannyk8232]

Originally Posted by mikejet

Was she ever officially with Ben or Jack? I thought Ben was jealous because she had chosen someone else.

I don't think Jack ever got nookie on the island. It wasn't until after they got back to LA that him and Kate hooked up.

I perceive it the exact same way.

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by mikejet

Was she ever officially with Ben or Jack? I thought Ben was jealous because she had chosen someone else.

I don't think Jack ever got nookie on the island. It wasn't until after they got back to LA that him and Kate hooked up.

Thats right, it was Ben that was attracted to her!


They were definately more than 'just friends' on the island before they left. Sure they didn't show any sex scenes or what have you, but they definately indicated that something was going on between them.

I just figured that she got with Sawyer as a slap in the fact to Jack as they were basically opposites from day 1 on the island.

[itsBlu2U]

hahah lol what a left turn these last posts have been, but I'll second Ben wanted juilette, not the other way around, closest Ben ever been to nookie is sticking his hand down that hole to release the water lol, ...might be yet another reason for his cheery personality lol ooou it stings