Why do people hate Sony?

[k20king]

Originally Posted by J_UNTITLED

Why is it that so many people loathe, despise and generally hate Sony so much? They say they are greedy and force things down people's throat at too high of a cost and make so many mistakes.


Where does all this stem from?

Its just your perspective. Maybe you hang out with a lot of *****y ignorant people.

These type of threads are wack.

my 2cents

Go Blu-ray!

[GasCat]

Originally Posted by dakota81

Although there was a study done some time ago that found Sony is still the most trusted brand name among consumers, it'd be a long time for me to try and locate the document.

I used to say GE because of the medical equipment that saves lives but after the Paramount thing I don't know if I do trust them anymore.

I think I'll go with Diebold.

[JadedRaverLA]

People, by and large, most definitely do not hate Sony. When Microsoft decided to enter the videogame industry, though, they knew that they would have an uphill battle fighting against the sales juggernaut of the PS2. They also knew that their own corporate reputation is... well... not so favorable.

So, harnessing the internet as their battleground, they sent out hundreds of people onto every gaming site known to man, talking about what an awful company Sony was, and how great the XBox was. Though they never had much success in dethrowning the champion last gen, they did manage to get a solid following among hardcore gamers in the U.S. When they jumped the gun and released another system only 4 years after the first XBox, they managed to migrate most of those existing users in pretty short order (by no longer actively supporting the original system) and then expanded their base due to Sony's delays in releasing the PS3.

Long story short, Microsoft has built upon its base of hardcore gamers and paid FUD-spreaders online, and has been taking on Sony as company for a few years now -- a trend which exploded when BD-J was voted into the BD spec instead of Microsoft's HDi incarnation. Microsoft then decided to become a chief financial backer of HD DVD and promoted the idea that "high def" media was a "war" between the good companies (Microsoft and Toshiba) vs. the bad (Sony -- everyone else in the BDA never seems to get mentioned.

Since then, they and their followers have been on a hard-core vendetta against Sony basically for no reason. Unfortunately for Sony, last year's battery recall and rootkit fiasco provided a huge amount of valid critisism that could be used by existing detractors. In the end, both problems were corrected by the company.

Anyway, that's the story of how anti-Sony sentiment got going online. But as someone who used to sell TVs and home electronics, let me be clear: Sony, as a brand, is requested by consumers more than all other major electronics brands put together. Their products cost more than the lower end competitors, but people shopping for good equipment are willing to pay more for quality. Even customers who do not have a brand preference frequently choose Sony products because they look better than anything else on the sales floor. And, despite stores like Best Buy allowing fanboys to sell television sets, almost every salesperson I know (who works at a REAL store) would recommend a Sony SXRD rear-projection set or a Sony LCD set over anything else that doesn't cost considerably more.

Also, as dakota81 mentioned above, Sony ranked as the #1 most trusted consumer brand in the world in 2007 in a survey conducted earlier this year. Microsoft didn't make the overall list and came in 12th (out of 15) in the Home Technology category, where, again Sony came in 1st.

Okay, that ended up as a really long post... but I've been meaning to rant on that for quite awhile.

[HMtheJJ]

Originally Posted by cajmoyper

Because I sent my mp3 player in for service, paid 85 dollars (the thing cost 200) and they sent it back in worse condition than when I sent it.

Try buy something from SONY Japan, send it back to fix, then post again!

Remember SONY USA is a different company run by different management, so it somewhat doesn't really represent what SONY really is, product quality and customer service is absolutely AMAZING in Japan!! The BEST company, period for customer support and treatment!!

[MOONPHASE]

Originally Posted by HMtheJJ

Try buy something from SONY Japan, send it back to fix, then post again!

Remember SONY USA is a different company run by different management, so it somewhat doesn't really represent what SONY really is, product quality and customer service is absolutely AMAZING in Japan!! The BEST company, period for customer support and treatment!!

In Japan they put the customers first - here in the U.S. it's more like themselves first and that goes for ANY company.

[HMtheJJ]

Originally Posted by dakota81

Why do people hate Sony? (1) rootkit, (2) price of PS3, (3) rootkit, (4) personal experience with Sony product breaking down, (5) rootkit, (6) Sony's history of creating unnecessary formats (i.e. memorystick & ATRAC), (7) have I mentioned rootkit yet?

Not my reasons, just the common ones that are out there. Did rootkit get mentioned above?

Although there was a study done some time ago that found Sony is still the most trusted brand name among consumers, it'd be a long time for me to try and locate the document.

"unnecessary formats"??? I don't think so, maybe you can argue memorystick which is still a better tech than SD but don't trash ATRAC/ ATRAC plus, which is way better than MP3 (a format was accdiently created for storing music), we all know hardware wise SONY Walkman line makes the best Walkmans, and one of the reasons why SONY's MP3 is better than Ipod cuz of the format, gives u longer battery life and better sound quality!!!!! however, on the software side, well personaly I find Sonic Stage is the same if not better than Itune, and often I consider Sonic Stage is better, especially 4.3, so... just cuz SONY is more innovated and take risks try to lead the industry than other company, dont mean they creay unnessary extras, Becuz of what SONY does, pushes the whole industry as a whole to improve and we can sit here and write about, enjoy all the great stuff we have. Learn some SONY history, u'll find without SONY, the electronics and entertainment wouldn't be what it is today!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HMtheJJ]

Originally Posted by MOONPHASE

In Japan they put the customers first here in the U.S. it's more like themselves first and that goes for ANY company

totally, I import almost everything from Tokyo directly and I buy SONY only oot if they dont make certain products such like Microwave or things they are not very good at (which is pretty rare... lol),

my exprince with SONY since my very first walkman, WM-EX1 when I was in Grade 3 till now, been just AMAZING, only had one walkman issue, which was WM-EX5, sent it in twice, they couldn't fix, third time, they gave me a brand new WM-EX7 since EX5 was out of production. Other than that, among my hundres if not thsounds yet purchases from SONY, no problem AT ALL!!!!! well that of course requires u to buy at least ES and up level products from SONY, other cheaper lines had no exprince with so I can't common on that!!! and that brings out the other point i wanna make, not everyone makes a min 7 digits salary, so when they buy cheap stuff SONY makes (SONY is a very innoviated and high tech company, so they have no interest at all making those cheap stuff, but for the sake of making money and market share, sadly, quliaty just GROSS compare to real SONY lines), they should espect a bad quality and product.

now tell me anyone who has any Qualia compalin at all, I dont think so, ppl who make that kinda money has better things to do in life then telllin ppl how much they hate a certain company. also since the top of line products from SONY r untouchable by any other firms (well some B&O is pretty good, I have to say), there is really not much to compalin about, well maybe too expensive or too NICELY done, that your friends wanna steal from u... lol but yet ppl who can afford them dont' care about how much those products cost, do we??!!!

[lch]

Originally Posted by HMtheJJ

Try buy something from SONY Japan, send it back to fix, then post again!

Remember SONY USA is a different company run by different management, so it somewhat doesn't really represent what SONY really is, product quality and customer service is absolutely AMAZING in Japan!! The BEST company, period for customer support and treatment!!

if you buy from Sony japan, i don't think you ever going need to send it back.
bcos, almost all 1st batch Sony stuff we get overseas are made in japan and are the best, they don't spoil.
things start to spoil when they do technology transfer to cheaper place for mass production.
but then, all the 1st batch are also the most expensive.

[J_UNTITLED]

Betamax, Minidisc, UMD...they sure have had a few big failures. I think that is why people expect Blu-ray to follow the same pattern.

[HMtheJJ]

Originally Posted by J_UNTITLED

Betamax, Minidisc, UMD...they sure have had a few big failures. I think that is why people expect Blu-ray to follow the same pattern.

I dont care about how u think about the other formats cuz they are not as perfect as Atrac/Atrac plus, I take Minidisc u mentioned above as Atrac/Atrac plus since Minidisc is not a format, Id like you to point out the big failures or any failures at all since 1992 introduction, thank you. After all, I am a SONY WALKMAN expert then a SONY lover. U can't touch SONY's Walkman line, period!

[HMtheJJ]

Originally Posted by lch

if you buy from Sony japan, i don't think you ever going need to send it back.
bcos, almost all 1st batch Sony stuff we get overseas are made in japan and are the best, they don't spoil.
things start to spoil when they do technology transfer to cheaper place for mass production.
but then, all the 1st batch are also the most expensive.

Well, sadly, not everything now, U will never see any WALKMAN made in Japan again, at least under current management, OH MAN, pleaes bring back the "Japan PRide, Asian Pride" so we can enjoy made in Japan walkmans again!!!!! even tho the quality is extremly bad, i can also find flaws and things to complain about on the finish and fit.

And TVs are mostly made in ShangHai and Mexico.

[JaysDomain]

I do not hear very much Sony bashing, of course I also do not hang out at the hd-dud forums.
My only ***** about Sony products: Proprietary devices & short life devices (accessories)…
I thought I only wanted 1 remote (my harmony 890), but it seems Sony knew better, Thanks Sony
I have yet to purchase the Bluetooth remote for the PS3, I am hoping the crappy nyko will hold me over until sony unlocks the USB ports and creates a better solution (I know it’s coming eventually).
Other than this, Sony makes great quality products and normally backs them up with support.

[HMtheJJ]

Originally Posted by JaysDomain

I do not hear very much Sony bashing, of course I also do not hang out at the hd-dud forums.
My only ***** about Sony products: Proprietary devices & short life devices (accessories)…
I thought I only wanted 1 remote (my harmony 890), but it seems Sony knew better, Thanks Sony
I have yet to purchase the Bluetooth remote for the PS3, I am hoping the crappy nyko will hold me over until sony unlocks the USB ports and creates a better solution (I know it’s coming eventually).
Other than this, Sony makes great quality products and normally backs them up with support.

well I consider buying anything is not simply a purchase of that brand or product, u r buying that lifestyle which identify who u r, what you do and your class. I always tell ppl buyin SONY is a expensive thing to do and u have to prepare to spend a lot and buying a lot to cope with all their innoviation as well as new tech yr around. So... if buying SONY is the lifestyle then SONY wants you to buy everything SONY and that should be in ur DNA, as SONY would promote, hehe. Good stuff, always


like.no.other. sony,sony It's a SONY

[w_tanoto]

count me OUT of sony's haters!
Sony made quality products. True, their products are overpriced most of the time, but I'd rather buy Sony than any other brand.
Sony haters come mostly from loyal XBOX fans. That is why microsoft siding with HD DVD because they want PS3 to die.

[j_rocca42]

Personally, I think it's because it's a japanese company. I feel like a lot of people don't like things just because they (the company) are foreign.

An example is in nascar, which I don't know why people like , where a few well named drivers switched from Chevy, Ford, or Dodge cars and went to the new Toyota car. There was a bit of an uproar about this and a lot of the average fans said that they didn't like the drivers that switched anymore just because they weren't driving U.S. brand cars. Even though we all know that Toyota cars are made right here in the US.

I think it's sad really, because sony is one of my most trusted brand names and those are always my first recomendations when answering customer questions.

[HMtheJJ]

Originally Posted by w_tanoto

count me OUT of sony's haters!
Sony made quality products. True, their products are overpriced most of the time, but I'd rather buy Sony than any other brand.
Sony haters come mostly from loyal XBOX fans. That is why microsoft siding with HD DVD because they want PS3 to die.

SONY doesnt make overpriced products, u get what you pay for, the only overpriced products are those you have to buy another one shortly or not being happy with the quliaty, design, finish, and the look.

I dont think VAIO X505, 70 Bravia XBR3, or any Qualia are overpriced, they are just GREAT limited products that other companies can't or dare to make.

[richard lichtenfelt]

I've owned Sony products for about 30 years now going back to the original walkman. I dropped that sucker way too many times to count but I just couldn't break it. Since then I have bought numerous Sony electronics never once have I regreted it. Strayed away from them a few times and was underwhelmed almost every time. Sony really does make superior products. I can't afford a Ferrarri but I sure don't hate them. People need to grow up. Sony doesn't need to lower their prices and if they did the quality would end up suffering.

[HMtheJJ]

Originally Posted by richard lichtenfelt

I've owned Sony products for about 30 years now going back to the original walkman. I dropped that sucker way too many times to count but I just couldn't break it. Since then I have bought numerous Sony electronics never once have I regreted it. Strayed away from them a few times and was underwhelmed almost every time. Sony really does make superior products. I can't afford a Ferrarri but I sure don't hate them. People need to grow up. Sony doesn't need to lower their prices and if they did the quality would end up suffering.

U R so RIGHT!!!! dont hate cuz can't get the top of line SONY. u get what you pay for.

lowering the price meaning not only the quality suffer, more imporantly the design and innoviation behind all the top line products that made what SONY is today. take a look at top line VAIOS compare to other lap tops (X505, the new TZ to any toshiba or dell let's say), it's like comparing Alex McQueen to Old Navy, SONY uses better material, better design, and make you stand out, that's what buying a SONY all about, not only u r gettin the GREAT tech if not better than the competiors, also the amazing design that no one will mistake.

I dont hear many ppl complain about B&O, Mark Levinson or Lynn being expensive, why? or cuz SONY is both high end and consumer thus they shouldn't charge more for the same brand even tho more expensive meaning better quality, how stupid. And then SONY created Qualia, now what> oh too bad, all those ppl who trash SONY saying they can't afford it.... make up ur mind, some ppl.

btm line, SONY deserves to charge that much for what they do

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by benes

One word: rootkits. There was anti-Sony sentiment before that but not to the degree we see today. Even if all the other exploding battery incidents and so forth still happened but the rootkit didn't happen we would not see the same level of hatred we see today. The rootkit was the "root" of it all. Everything else is just the excuse to keep hating them.
But the good news is yeah hating Sony is just an internet meme among 12 year olds on online forums. Most people in the real world don't know or care about any of this stuff.

It's also popular as a last-ditch fallback for board-trolling HD fans:

Back when it looked like things were equal, PS3 gamer-boiz were creating a bad image for Blu, and HD-DVD looked like it had a chance with tech fans, Sony-bashing and cries of "Rootkit!" were the main lines of defense on which HD could claim the high road (albeit mostly coming from X-Box fans)--
One Blockbuster decision, 50G and a 1.1 Profile later, "Evil Sony!"'s been reduced to a schoolyard taunt, and a pretty embarrassingly dated one at that.
(Suffice to say, the "warriors" still use it, as their data isn't updated too often.)

[The Don]

MS is hated in every other country pretty much except the US....

MS is non-existent in Asian countries..