Who Framed Roger Rabbit 4K UHD (1988)

[BNex99]

Originally Posted by Torgon

Looks like Touchstone Pictures is the banner on the spine.

I think the only Touchstone movie they've ever "rebranded" as Disney is The Nightmare Before Christmas. I guess if they were going to do it to another one, it'd be Roger Rabbit, but fortunately, that looks not to be the case.

I've always loved the Touchstone logo sliding in as that bass plucking starts.

[weberrygt]

YES!!! Love this movie. December 7 oh yeah!!!

Cover - my first thought is the slip. I like more Jessica on the steel, but I don't like the washed out faces/skin.

I forget - will the standard/slip have disc art? That might be a selling point haha.

[jFug]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

The exact meme I thought of when I saw it was for sure being released!

[danman227460]

The problem is that all these titles were already done for Disney. It isn't like they took all of 2020 to actually work on these movies or other titles like other studios. If they were working on stuff in 2020/2021, we would have seen more titles being announced/leaked. Not 1 title every 3 months.

But I would love to be proven wrong. Maybe 2022 is where Disney decides to assault our wallets.

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

I wonder how much of the catalog releases this year (from any studio) is stuff that was worked on last year? It takes a while to prep these kind of releases, so it could be that the catalog stuff is what's hung over from when they could work a full load. That's the question no one seems to want to answer. Or even know the answer to.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by jFug

The exact meme I thought of when I saw it was for sure being released!

And also because it gives me hope The Muppet Christmas Carol 30th Anniversary with When Love Is Gone restored is happening next year.



https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-55232499

[lilboyblu]

Very much looking forward to revisiting this one. Glad it's finally happening!

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Disney is like: "Bob Hoskins... who?"

Bob WHOskins?

[Adam4Rizzel]

Originally Posted by The Edge

"Trail Mix-Up" is presented in 4K on YouTube
Roger Rabbit - "Trail Mix-Up" short - YouTube

I'm not too crazy about the artwork on either package, especially the steelbook. Would it have killed Disney's Home Video department to use the theatrical poster artwork???
http://www.impawards.com/1988/poster...abbit_xxlg.jpg

I feel like we are missing a special feature or two from the Vista Series DVD. Am I wrong?

And, one more thing: HDR10 instead of Dolby Vision??? The Disney+ stream has DV.

Disney doesn't do DV on disc. It's why I won't be picking up this title, unfortunately.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Adam4Rizzel

Disney doesn't do DV on disc. It's why I won't be picking up this title, unfortunately.

Why? DV is literally just a dynamic metadata layer in most use cases.

[Adam4Rizzel]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

Why? DV is literally just a dynamic metadata layer in most use cases.

An HDR10 presentation of a DV-mastered HDR restoration is an inferior version. I'd stick with the Dolby presentation on streaming over an HDR10 on disc. Disney and Sony don't put DV on disc because of the extra fees and work involved. Practically every film being restored today in 4K is mastered in Dolby Vision, as it allows for every scene (and sometimes shot) to be individually mapped. (Dolby Vision is the industry standard, with some slight competition from HDR10+). HDR10 is one single tone curve for the entire film.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Adam4Rizzel

An HDR10 presentation of a DV-mastered HDR restoration is an inferior version. I'd stick with the Dolby presentation on streaming over an HDR10 on disc.

Big statement



And it's cat nip for forum kitty.

[Adam4Rizzel]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

Big statement



And it's cat nip for forum kitty.

If a film was mixed for Dolby Atmos and it released on disc with a 5.1 DTS mix, then it would be an inferior version of the mix. Same is true for Dolby Vision in the HDR space. They also wouldn't restore or master films in Dolby Vision if HDR10 provided the same amenities. Disney doesn't include a Dolby Vision layer on UHD because it would increase their costs (Dolby has a pretty steep licensing fee for a company that already doesn't really care about physical media).

The streaming version of this film will have DV HDR as was mastered by the colorist and restoration team, which (potentially) include different brightness/darkness and contrast point per scene/shot, albeit with lossy audio and streaming compression. The disc version will have lossless audio and high bitrate, but the sacrifice is that there is only one tonal curve for the entire feature.

[dukiejosh54]

Originally Posted by Adam4Rizzel

An HDR10 presentation of a DV-mastered HDR restoration is an inferior version. I'd stick with the Dolby presentation on streaming over an HDR10 on disc. Disney and Sony don't put DV on disc because of the extra fees and work involved. Practically every film being restored today in 4K is mastered in Dolby Vision, as it allows for every scene (and sometimes shot) to be individually mapped. (Dolby Vision is the industry standard, with some slight competition from HDR10+). HDR10 is one single tone curve for the entire film.

Do you really think that you are going to get better video and audio from streaming just because it's in DV? I'm no expert but i think you'd get better video and audio from a uncompressed BD-100 disc in HDR. Yes Dolby Vision might be superior to HDR but there really isn't that big of a difference that streaming would ever be better than a 4k disc.

[Adam4Rizzel]

Originally Posted by dukiejosh54

Do you really think that you are going to get better video and audio from streaming just because it's in DV? I'm no expert but i think you'd get better video and audio from a uncompressed BD-100 disc in HDR. Yes Dolby Vision might be superior to HDR but there really isn't that big of a difference that streaming would ever be better than a 4k disc.

In regards to compression, no, but in my opinion, compression can and has gotten better over time. For example, I now have access to lossless versions of various iTunes tracks that I purchased in 2007 because of Apple's update. There's no reason that Apple couldn't offer lossless audio and a higher bitrate for the copy of Roger Rabbit in my iTunes library and perhaps that's something they, or another streamer, adds later on.

I also live in NYC and don't have much room to store a million discs, so I stream 95% of everything I watch. I only buy 4K discs when the definitive version of the film is presented. (It's really exciting that I will be able to own a copy of Citizen Kane that is the definitive copy/restoration of the film, has DV, lossless audio, etc.). When a Roger Rabbit comes out on disc without DV, when it was mastered in DV, it isn't a definitive copy. Neither is the streaming version, because of its compression. However, I prefer to see the meticulously mastered Dolby presentation over the HDR10, as I'd prefer to see the precise color and tonal detail inherent in the film negative, even if it comes with the artifacts that every streaming service has. Same reason I'd prefer to listen to a lossy Atmos track over a lossless 2.0 track.

[fighthefutureofhd]

I bet you're one of those people that like to star up at the clouds with a little sherry, point, and scream the sky is falling.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by farerb

Not surprising. Modern Disney hates Jessica Rabbit. She doesn't fit their brand so they can't market this film under the Disney name.

It was never a Disney movie, so good

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by adam4rizzel

an hdr10 presentation of a dv-mastered hdr restoration is an inferior version. I'd stick with the dolby presentation on streaming over an hdr10 on disc. Disney and sony don't put dv on disc because of the extra fees and work involved. Practically every film being restored today in 4k is mastered in dolby vision, as it allows for every scene (and sometimes shot) to be individually mapped. (dolby vision is the industry standard, with some slight competition from hdr10+). Hdr10 is one single tone curve for the entire film.

😆

[knifethrower]

Originally Posted by McCrutchy

I think I prefer the SteelBook art (more Jessica Rabbit is a plus), but I'll have to see it in person. The standard art is nice but there is an obvious space where Hoskins should be in Benny the Cab and they've tried to obscure Jessica's chest with her arm. She also looks too long, like she's been stretched to bend over the car.

I have no idea why they left Bob Hoskins off both covers when he is the main character. That's pretty despicable, actually, especially considering that Disney are presumably leaving their own branding off of the release because it has become too "adult" for them, which is incongruous with trying to market the film as fully animated. At least they put a mini-Eddie silhouette on the back of the SteelBook.

I have a totally unfounded theory I developed initially after seeing a number of catalog steelbook releases that didn't have any actors on the outside covers (The Matrix Trilogy, Field of Dreams, Waterworld, etc). I wonder if studios are excluding actors from cover artwork to avoid paying personality or image rights of some kind.

[Adam4Rizzel]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

I bet you're one of those people that like to star up at the clouds with a little sherry, point, and scream the sky is falling.

I'd rather scream over the presentation of an artist's cinematography than over a piece of cardboard that goes over a 12mm blue piece of plastic. Also, I'm more of a scotch guy.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by dukiejosh54

Do you really think that you are going to get better video and audio from streaming just because it's in DV? I'm no expert but i think you'd get better video and audio from a uncompressed BD-100 disc in HDR. Yes Dolby Vision might be superior to HDR but there really isn't that big of a difference that streaming would ever be better than a 4k disc.

There is no "uncompressed" video for consumer use out there. A BD-100 properly space and bandwidth utilized is just less compressed.

[Bolo Seagull]

So just how censored is this movie at this point? Does Baby Hermann still smoke and smack women's bums? Have they made Jessica's a B cup? I'd heard about them toning this movie down over the years, but haven't kept up with it. I still just have my old standard def DVD from back in the day.