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[Fang Zei]

Originally Posted by LexInHD

That's coming, but it is a long way off. Projectors will be the IMAX norm until microLED is mature and manufacturing isn't difficult. In my area, the cinemas have already begun installing first-gen microLED screens and the quality is beyond reproach, once you see the clarity, brightness, and HDR factor in play.

I wonder what this means for all the “Imax” screens still stuck with the old 2k+2k digital xenon projectors.

Are the ones that haven’t already gotten the laser upgrade going to be stuck with 2008-quality tech for that much longer until they can cheaply and efficiently replace them with LED screens?

[unberechenbar]

Originally Posted by LexInHD

That's coming, but it is a long way off. Projectors will be the IMAX norm until microLED is mature and manufacturing isn't difficult. In my area, the cinemas have already begun installing first-gen microLED screens and the quality is beyond reproach, once you see the clarity, brightness, and HDR factor in play.

I'm guessing you're not in the US?

[KubrickKurasawa]

I'm cool I'm watching Dune Spice.

[LexInHD]

Originally Posted by unberechenbar

I'm guessing you're not in the US?

I am in the US. I am near the nation's capitol.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by Edenbeast

Yep, reviews are quite confusing between Trade Paperback and the Mass Market Paperback editions!

I just checked reviews of one BD and all all the reviews were of the amazon streaming version. Useless.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by LexInHD

That's coming, but it is a long way off. Projectors will be the IMAX norm until microLED is mature and manufacturing isn't difficult. In my area, the cinemas have already begun installing first-gen microLED screens and the quality is beyond reproach, once you see the clarity, brightness, and HDR factor in play.

But why microLED, are their screens tiny? A 64 x 90 feet IMAX direct view screen would have "pixels" that are

27,432mm/4000 = 2mm x 6mm 4K RGB pixel pitch

27,432mm/8000 = 1mm x 3mm 8K RGB pixel pitch

miniled 0.2mm
microled 0.05mm - 0.1mm



Could even make them Quadricolor RGCB or Pentacolor

Originally Posted by Resettito

Zack had always envisioned it in that aspect ratio though. He explained that 1.66 was a compromise with the studio for regular screens, and then his 1.37 AR version for IMAX.

Envisioning is not the same as shooting. I watched it in Widescreen. Tried watching it in Open Matte sitting 3/4ths closer first, but all it did (for me) is make things vague and distant in a sense, lots of meandering space, instead of looking at the movie itself, while in widescreen, close-ups and emotional story worked better. In W, only 2 shots had Frankenstein flat tops (the Darkseid, and the minion one, and all it did was point out that they were giants.) Maybe when we get 130" 8K micrOLED screens I'll try again it again in Open Matte

Anyway Arakis' worms in 1.43 IMAX, cool.

[LexInHD]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

But why microLED, are their screens tiny? A 64 x 90 feet IMAX direct view screen would have "pixels" that are

27,432mm/4000 = 2mm x 6mm 4K RGB pixel pitch

27,432mm/8000 = 1mm x 3mm 8K RGB pixel pitch

miniled 0.2mm
microled 0.05mm - 0.1mm



Could even make them Quadricolor RGCB or Pentacolor



Envisioning is not the same as shooting. I watched it in Widescreen. Tried watching it in Open Matte sitting 3/4ths closer first, but all it did (for me) is make things vague and distant in a sense, lots of meandering space, instead of looking at the movie itself, while in widescreen, close-ups and emotional story worked better. In W, only 2 shots had Frankenstein flat tops (the Darkseid, and the minion one, and all it did was point out that they were giants.) Maybe when we get 130" 8K micrOLED screens I'll try again it again in Open Matte

Anyway Arakis' worms in 1.43 IMAX, cool.

You can have two microLED panels of the same physical size, but with different resolutions. You can build a large high-resolution display (IMAX) with a bunch of low-resolution microLED panels or go for multiple high-resolution panels, with a higher overall resolution. The higher resolutions are more difficult to manufacture, because of the narrow pixel pitch, but we could easily be watching our content on large size 1080P microLED TVs with the current tech being manufactured and the reason we don't have the tech in TVs is because the industry moved to 4K/8K and the microLED segment and it's small manufacturing is focused on large-format displays and common panel resolution, therefore necessitating the long wait for the tech to make it into TVs.

In the case of IMAX, the screens will be physically big, but the resolution probably won't be a giant leap forward for some time, so there won't be any real issues with the individual panels which will have a low resolution and be far enough from people to not have any visual defects. Right now the problem is that the manufacturing for microLED is very small and focused on specific high-resolution usage cases with cinema screens being one of them, so the technology and manufacturing processes need to mature, increasing yields and product availability, before widespread adoption can begin and product will be available. Thankfully, everyone in the cinema display industry is committed to bringing it about, so we just have to see where the manufacturing and tech improves in the next ten years.

[Farerb]

Not sure if I should get it now or wait for a package that will feature both part 1 and part 2.

[Deciazulado]

Go watch it, and buy part 1, to make part 2 even more likely?


A beginning is a very delicate time

[LexInHD]

Originally Posted by Farerb

Not sure if I should get it now or wait for a package that will feature both part 1 and part 2.

Part 2 is several years away, at the least. Even if it gets greenlit a week after part 1 is deemed a financial success, it will take a significant time for scripting and pre-production, not to mention, we don't know what COVID effects will be happening globally, over the next four years. I'm gonna watch Dune, get it on UHD-BD, and hope for the best.

[andyk69]

I´m getting the italian 4k-bluray steelbook, lovely!
I dont have a 4K set up yet but i will down the line at some point.
Are there any good 4K player that will play all region Blurays?

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by LexInHD

The movie industry will be switching to HFR

[Deciazulado]

Dune 4K + 3D Blu-ray

Dune 4K + 3D Blu-ray Steelbook


Still missing, the one with special packaging

[Fang Zei]

At least part II will probably involve plenty of scenes where there’s a plausible reason for the actors to be wearing face masks

As for HFR, has Cameron definitively stated that the Avatar sequels won’t be presented in that format?

[venom0706]

Any news on the UK Blu-ray release?

Nothing to pre-order on HMV, Zavvi or Amazon.

I presume they will announce the packaging and stuff for pre-ordering this weekend when the film is officially released here in the UK?

[Mosley likes BFDI]

Originally Posted by venom0706

Any news on the UK Blu-ray release?

Nothing to pre-order on HMV, Zavvi or Amazon.

I presume they will announce the packaging and stuff for pre-ordering this weekend when the film is officially released here in the UK?

The movie is not out in the UK until October 21st, which is tomorrow.

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by Fang Zei

As for HFR, has Cameron definitively stated that the Avatar sequels won’t be presented in that format?

I believe he said that only some sequences will be presented in HFR, but I don't know if it's even possible.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

I believe he said that only some sequences will be presented in HFR, but I don't know if it's even possible.

Eminently possible. They shot in 48fps (or rather the nearest non-integer frame rate) but if Jimbo wants to dial it back like he said he would they can use tech like that employed on Billy Lynn's and Gemini Man to interpolate a lower frame rate version, say 24p. Or just drop every other frame perhaps.

But wait - theatrical DCPs aren't variable frame rate, so how does that work? Let's say they bust whatever scene down to 24p, they'd just need to frame double it to 48fps and then cut that into the actual 48fps timeline. Doubling is not the same as interpolation, you're just 'flashing' the same frame up on screen. Heck, if anyone has a 120Hz TV then when you watch 24p content with no active interpolation you're already seeing each frame repeated five times.

They're gonna need to create a complete 24p version anyway just for regular DCP and also for home video as that has no 48p spec, so they might as well do that first to get a full 24p master and then decide what scenes they want to keep at 24 in the final 48p HFR version.

[venom0706]

Originally Posted by Mosley likes BFDI

The movie is not out in the UK until October 21st, which is tomorrow.

That's... what i said in my comment.

And technically the film HAD screenings in the UK on Monday - saw it at one.

[Fang Zei]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Eminently possible. They shot in 48fps (or rather the nearest non-integer frame rate) but if Jimbo wants to dial it back like he said he would they can use tech like that employed on Billy Lynn's and Gemini Man to interpolate a lower frame rate version, say 24p. Or just drop every other frame perhaps.

But wait - theatrical DCPs aren't variable frame rate, so how does that work? Let's say they bust whatever scene down to 24p, they'd just need to frame double it to 48fps and then cut that into the actual 48fps timeline. Doubling is not the same as interpolation, you're just 'flashing' the same frame up on screen. Heck, if anyone has a 120Hz TV then when you watch 24p content with no active interpolation you're already seeing each frame repeated five times.

They're gonna need to create a complete 24p version anyway just for regular DCP and also for home video as that has no 48p spec, so they might as well do that first to get a full 24p master and then decide what scenes they want to keep at 24 in the final 48p HFR version.

Ah, see, I didn’t even know it had been confirmed that he was actually shooting in 48p. I remember him saying something to the effect of “nevermind” back in 2013 after seeing the negative reactions to how The Hobbit looked in HFR.

But it’s coming back to me now that, yeah, what he actually said was more along the lines of using it for fast action scenes and dialing it back for everything else. “It’s an authoring tool” was the last thing I remember him saying about HFR, and that was probably several years ago already.