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Martoto · 05-06-2022, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbyh64

Both things can be true. It’s made clear to the audience it’s not Myers due to the crazy ass blond hair and I also think it’s a coincidence. It’s not even really a costume. Just a mask with clothes anyone would wear on a typical day. It’s like, what the hell is that “costume” even supposed to be? It’s just a guy with a weird pure white face and normal clothes.

No I don't agree that it is obviously not meant to be confused with Michael by the audience while also attracting criticism for being a ridiculous coincidence, from the audience.

Martoto · 05-06-2022, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by LanceL

He doesn't really know Annie is dead until after Ben Tramer gets Loomised. So, just because the sheriff doesn't know before the radio does, that can happen, I would think. Maybe the local police gave the reporters the news before they did the sheriff...?

No. Not even is it logistically impossible, the idea that the cops would tell the press before they tell their sheriff who is the victim's father is ridiculous. The idea that the town sheriff who is coordinating a manhunt over police radio wouldn't have the information of a murder scene being discovered across the street from where loomis claimed he shot Myers is utterly preposterous.

LanceL · 05-06-2022, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Martoto

No. Not even is it logistically impossible, the idea that the cops would tell the press before they tell their sheriff who is the victim's father is ridiculous. The idea that the town sheriff who is coordinating a manhunt over police radio wouldn't have the information of a murder scene being discovered across the street from where loomis claimed he shot Myers is utterly preposterous.

Anything is possible. I'm not willing to argue with something I don't recall.

Martoto · 05-06-2022, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by LanceL

Anything is possible.

Not anything.

No. In a small town in 1978, no sheriff dept is calling in the media seconds after they find a murder scene and before getting the sheriff on the radio who happens to be a victim's father. The idea that it takes longer to inform the sheriff than it does to get a TV news crew on the scene is completely ludicrous.

LanceL · 05-06-2022, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Martoto

Not anything.

No. In a small town in 1978, no sheriff dept is calling in the media seconds after they find a murder scene and before getting the sheriff on the radio who happens to be a victim's father. The idea that it takes longer to inform the sheriff than it does to get a TV news crew on the scene is completely ludicrous.

That would be narcissism. Thinking that you know this for certain, is a fallacy. Context is everything. And not everyone does everything by the book, nor the same. Also, there might have been a malfunction of their means of communication. Chaos happens, and not everything happens the way one might think it should or would.

But this is your opinion, and you can stick to it. Until I watch it again, I'll just go with my theory that you might be wrong. But you might be right. Anything is possible.

Martoto · 05-06-2022, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by LanceL

That would be narcissism. Thinking that you know this for certain, is a fallacy. Context is everything. And not everyone does everything by the book, nor the same. Also, there might have been a malfunction of their means of communication. Chaos happens, and not everything happens the way one might think it should or would.

But this is your opinion, and you can stick to it. Until I watch it again, I'll just go with my theory that you might be wrong. But you might be right. Anything is possible.

You should always have an open mind. But not so open that your brain falls out.

You're telling me that Deputy Hunt is running up to Brackett, breathless and in a state of emotional pique at the news he has to give his Sheriff, has already called the local TV station and a local radio station and told them the location of triple murder and waited for them to start broadcasting live from there before telling his superior officer.

Pointing out extremely far fetched and carelessly written plot lines is not narcissism.

If the movie took time to try and justify those story elements and I just dismissed them then maybe I could be accused of narcissism.

I get the same sort of reaction when I mock the "faked her own death and left her daughter in foster care" theory that supposedly links Halloween 4-6 with H20. People who feel it's more important to imagine some all unifying continuity will just ignore how profoundly such an implication changes Laurie's character and deserves two movies of its own to justify her decision to abandon her child in order to hid from Michael (who hasn't shown up for years anyway) during her supposedly drug fueled, promiscuous years.

Well of course that's exactly what happened. It has to be otherwise there's no continuity between the sixth and seventh movie. So no need to dwell on that, eh?

You're inventing a sheriff department in a small town where little happens but where they prioritise TV news reports over their own sheriff being informed of his daughter's death. Or you're imagining there must be enough chaos to make it possible for TV news to be reporting from outside the Wallace house literally seconds after the sheriff dept have discovered the bodies. Even though the sheriff is in his car and on the radio, the "chaos" has prevented the sheriff from even receiving radio notification that there is a murder scene at all. Yet there is no evidence of such "chaos" in the movie. Sounds like a slow night for the Haddonfield SD with their lackadaisical searching of the streets for Michael until Hunt comes rushing up to Brackett.

It's not like the softer plot holes, e.g. the dark hospital, which they ultimately felt nobody would care enough about that they could just drop the scene of the power going out. This is just carelessness. They realised they wanted the audience to understand that Michael has killed and will go on killing. But the way they told the audience messed up the continuity. And it was a mistake. We know this because the shooting script only had the TV report talking about Myers escape and the APB put out on him. (Although why that story would be broken through a live outside broadcast late on Halloween night is unclear, when we were told that the APB was put out the night before and the Haddonfield Sheriff has had this information since early during the day.) This was changed to reports of the murders in TV and radio because it raised the stakes of Michael's first scene in the movie. But they had already shot the movie so they had a problem. They attempted to fix it in the TV cut. But it is still a plot hole. And the TV cut sucks in other ways too.

bobbyh64 · 05-06-2022, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mar3o

What annoys me with the Tramer scene is his body can be seen falling over onto the hood of the vehicle after the explosion, then in the next shot, it's back up again, pinned to the other car. It's always been an annoying continuity issue for me. They shoudl have cut the other shot away before the body fell forward.

Maybe they were paying homage to the original Halloween. After Bob gets stabbed by Michael his head is slumped forward, and then when they cut to the wide shot his head is straight up.

bobbyh64 · 05-06-2022, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Martoto

No I don't agree that it is obviously not meant to be confused with Michael by the audience while also attracting criticism for being a ridiculous coincidence, from the audience.

Well, it’s a coincidence but I’m not criticizing it. I just find it comical that there’s a tall teenager too old to go trick-or-treating who wears almost the same “costume” as Myers.

Martoto · 05-06-2022, 10:31 AM

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Well, it’s a coincidence but I’m not criticizing it. I just find it comical that there’s a tall teenager too old to go trick-or-treating who wears almost the same “costume” as Myers.

But it obviously wasn't Myers

bobbyh64 · 05-06-2022, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by LanceL

Spider-Man 2 is awesome!

That’s strange. I was just watching Spider-Man 2. I must be in the matrix.

bobbyh64 · 05-06-2022, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Martoto

But it obviously wasn't Myers

What if the mask had pink hair?

Tober27 · 05-06-2022, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Martoto

But it obviously wasn't Myers

It was Ben Tramer that showed up in the school in Halloween 4, right?

Martoto · 05-06-2022, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbyh64

What if the mask had pink hair?

But it did have pink hair.

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It was Ben Tramer that showed up in the school in Halloween 4, right?

No it was just someone who looked like him.

bobbyh64 · 05-06-2022, 11:04 AM

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It was Ben Tramer that showed up in the school in Halloween 4, right?

Indeed it was. Ben Tramer faked his death by quickly putting a corpse dressed like him in front of the cop car. He decided to get revenge on Loomis ten years later for trying to kill him.

bobbyh64 · 05-06-2022, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Martoto

But it did have pink hair.

Tramer’s hair should’ve been made out of neon lights and changed colors every couple of seconds.

Martoto · 05-06-2022, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbyh64

Tramer’s hair should’ve been made out of neon lights and changed colors every couple of seconds.

LanceL · 05-06-2022, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Martoto

You should always have an open mind. But not so open that your brain falls out.

You're telling me that Deputy Hunt is running up to Brackett, breathless and in a state of emotional pique at the news he has to give his Sheriff, has already called the local TV station and a local radio station and told them the location of triple murder and waited for them to start broadcasting live from there before telling his superior officer.

Pointing out extremely far fetched and carelessly written plot lines is not narcissism.

If the movie took time to try and justify those story elements and I just dismissed them then maybe I could be accused of narcissism.

I get the same sort of reaction when I mock the "faked her own death and left her daughter in foster care" theory that supposedly links Halloween 4-6 with H20. People who feel it's more important to imagine some all unifying continuity will just ignore how profoundly such an implication changes Laurie's character and deserves two movies of its own to justify her decision to abandon her child in order to hid from Michael (who hasn't shown up for years anyway) during her supposedly drug fueled, promiscuous years.

Well of course that's exactly what happened. It has to be otherwise there's no continuity between the sixth and seventh movie. So no need to dwell on that, eh?

You're inventing a sheriff department in a small town where little happens but where they prioritise TV news reports over their own sheriff being informed of his daughter's death. Or you're imagining there must be enough chaos to make it possible for TV news to be reporting from outside the Wallace house literally seconds after the sheriff dept have discovered the bodies. Even though the sheriff is in his car and on the radio, the "chaos" has prevented the sheriff from even receiving radio notification that there is a murder scene at all. Yet there is no evidence of such "chaos" in the movie. Sounds like a slow night for the Haddonfield SD with their lackadaisical searching of the streets for Michael until Hunt comes rushing up to Brackett.

It's not like the softer plot holes, e.g. the dark hospital, which they ultimately felt nobody would care enough about that they could just drop the scene of the power going out. This is just carelessness. They realised they wanted the audience to understand that Michael has killed and will go on killing. But the way they told the audience messed up the continuity. And it was a mistake. We know this because the shooting script only had the TV report talking about Myers escape and the APB put out on him. (Although why that story would be broken through a live outside broadcast late on Halloween night is unclear, when we were told that the APB was put out the night before and the Haddonfield Sheriff has had this information since early during the day.) This was changed to reports of the murders in TV and radio because it raised the stakes of Michael's first scene in the movie. But they had already shot the movie so they had a problem. They attempted to fix it in the TV cut. But it is still a plot hole. And the TV cut sucks in other ways too.

No, I'm not calling you a narcissist for your views. I'm saying that to dismiss every possibility would be narcissistic. To think you know exactly how every town works is narcissistic.