Halloween II 4K UHD (1981)

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by LanceL

No, I'm not calling you a narcissist for your views. I'm saying that to dismiss every possibility would be narcissistic. To think you know exactly how every town works is narcissistic.

I never accused you of calling me narcissistic. I'm disputing your definition of what is narcissistic.

If Haddonfield and its Sheriff's dept is not like a normal town's and allows things like the plot hole implied in Halloween II then it needs to be part of the story. Otherwise you can justify any plot hole of any severity with things that happen off screen which are not "impossible" since anything is possible. Especially when they happen off screen and aren't ever mentioned. Like it could actually be something like the Truman Show. It's not a real town and everything is staged to give Tommy Doyle a false sense of reality. Anything is possible.

Dismissing the extremely implausible unless it's been explicated in the movie would not be narcissistic. It is not narcissistic.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Martoto

I get the same sort of reaction when I mock the "faked her own death and left her daughter in foster care" theory that supposedly links Halloween 4-6 with H20. People who feel it's more important to imagine some all unifying continuity will just ignore how profoundly such an implication changes Laurie's character and deserves two movies of its own to justify her decision to abandon her child in order to hid from Michael (who hasn't shown up for years anyway) during her supposedly drug fueled, promiscuous years. Well of course that's exactly what happened. It has to be otherwise there's no continuity between the sixth and seventh movie. So no need to dwell on that, eh?

Sounds like a miniseries written and directed by Rob Zombie.

[Covcraig]

Two movies to "justify" abandoning her child and hiding from Myers

People walking out of movie 1 - "that Laurie Strode is a piece of work for abandoning her child"

People walking out of movie 2- "dang, she redeemed her decision in this one"

Lmao, jesus

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Martoto

It's not like the softer plot holes, e.g. the dark hospital, which they ultimately felt nobody would care enough about that they could just drop the scene of the power going out. This is just carelessness. They realised they wanted the audience to understand that Michael has killed and will go on killing. But the way they told the audience messed up the continuity. And it was a mistake. We know this because the shooting script only had the TV report talking about Myers escape and the APB put out on him. (Although why that story would be broken through a live outside broadcast late on Halloween night is unclear, when we were told that the APB was put out the night before and the Haddonfield Sheriff has had this information since early during the day.) This was changed to reports of the murders in TV and radio because it raised the stakes of Michael's first scene in the movie. But they had already shot the movie so they had a problem. They attempted to fix it in the TV cut. But it is still a plot hole. And the TV cut sucks in other ways too.

Are you saying it’s a plot hole in the TV cut as well? If so, I don’t see how. Loomis and Bracket are driving around and then the Tramer scene happens. That’s when Brackett learns of his daughter’s death and then later on the news people show up at the Wallace house.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

Are you saying it’s a plot hole in the TV cut as well? If so, I don’t see how. Loomis and Bracket are driving around and then the Tramer scene happens. That’s when Brackett learns of his daughter’s death and then later on the news people show up at the Wallace house.

The radio report and the TV broadcasting from outside the Wallace house seconds after the Sheriff learns the news is still preposterous.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by Covcraig

Two movies to "justify" abandoning her child and hiding from Myers

People walking out of movie 1 - "that Laurie Strode is a piece of work for abandoning her child"

People walking out of movie 2- "dang, she redeemed her decision in this one"

Lmao, jesus

That's why Laurie didn't fake her death so that she could abandon her daughter, change her identity then immediately get married and have a son.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Martoto

That's why Laurie didn't fake her death so that she could abandon her daughter, change her identity then immediately get married and have a son.

It is strange how some people really want to connect all the sequels together. I think it’s kind of fun to think about it as a joke, but it’s really ridiculous when you think about all the choices Laurie would have to make for it to be real. She’d have to believe that Michael somehow got up and walked away after she witnessed him engulfed in flames (which is a ridiculous explanation that’s given in H20), decide to fake her death, abandon her daughter, make her daughter believe she’s dead, and move to California while her daughter stays in Haddonfield, the town where Michael Myers was last seen. All this to protect her daughter… What was her plan? To eventually make contact with Jamie? “Surprise! You thought I was dead but here I am years later! I guess I could’ve taken you with me before but no one’s perfect!”

Also, there’s a cop in H20 who says after the events of HII they never found his body. Was it a government secret that Myers was in a coma for ten years and no one remembers or reported on the events of H4-6?

[DR Herbert West]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

Was it a government secret that Myers was in a coma for ten years and no one remembers or reported on the events of H4-6?

Sounds like a great segment for Backtalk with Barry Simms.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

It is strange how some people really want to connect all the sequels together. I think it’s kind of fun to think about it as a joke, but it’s really ridiculous when you think about all the choices Laurie would have to make for it to be real. She’d have to believe that Michael somehow got up and walked away after she witnessed him engulfed in flames (which is a ridiculous explanation that’s given in H20), decide to fake her death, abandon her daughter, make her daughter believe she’s dead, and move to California while her daughter stays in Haddonfield, the town where Michael Myers was last seen. All this to protect her daughter… What was her plan? To eventually make contact with Jamie? “Surprise! You thought I was dead but here I am years later! I guess I could’ve taken you with me before but no one’s perfect!”

Also, there’s a cop in H20 who says after the events of HII they never found his body. Was it a government secret that Myers was in a coma for ten years and no one remembers or reported on the events of H4-6?

Anything is possible.

[Jay H.]

I've said it before, and it's worth repeating: the people who have watched these movies (like me), and have posted their opinions of certain plot-points online (again, like me), have spent more time thinking about the movies than the people who actually wrote them.

No matter how you look at it, that's just sad.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by DR Herbert West

Sounds like a great segment for Backtalk with Barry Simms.

“Come on, you don’t really believe Laurie Strode is alive…?”

“Laurie’s work isn’t done in Haddonfield. And soon, very soon, she’ll come home again to reconnect with her daughter who she abandoned and emotionally devastated by making her think she was dead. But this time she’ll be ready.”

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Martoto

The radio report and the TV broadcasting from outside the Wallace house seconds after the Sheriff learns the news is still preposterous.

There could’ve been a time jump between those scenes. Loomis and Brackett race off and then it cuts to Michael wandering around the neighborhood before coming across the Elrods and the news report on their TV.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

There could’ve been a time jump between those scenes. Loomis and Brackett race off and then it cuts to Michael wandering around the neighborhood before coming across the Elrods and the news report on their TV.

It would have to be a time jump. But the movie was clearly designed to be like "meanwhile". And there are still kids trick or treating at what must be well past midnight by then if the scene of Michael in the alley is taking place a while later.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Martoto

Not anything.

No. In a small town in 1978, no sheriff dept is calling in the media seconds after they find a murder scene and before getting the sheriff on the radio who happens to be a victim's father. The idea that it takes longer to inform the sheriff than it does to get a TV news crew on the scene is completely ludicrous.

How can you posit this as factual when there's no way to prove it? There are tons of examples of incompetence I see in the news daily.

Just because that shouldn't have happened doesn't mean it couldn't have happened.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Jay H.

I've said it before, and it's worth repeating: the people who have watched these movies (like me), and have posted their opinions of certain plot-points online (again, like me), have spent more time thinking about the movies than the people who actually wrote them.

No matter how you look at it, that's just sad.

That's the case of literally every movie ever made though.

[Kyle15]

Halloween II

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by mar3o

How can you posit this as factual when there's no way to prove it? There are tons of examples of incompetence I see in the news daily.

Just because that shouldn't have happened doesn't mean it couldn't have happened.

“Always keep an open mind. But nit so open that your brain falls out.”

[bobbyh64]

Here's a heavy meal song with lyrics devoted entirely to Halloween II.

Halloween II - YouTube

[LanceL]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

I like the movie. I just thought it was strange I was watching Spider-Man 2 and saw a Spider-Man 2 meme in a Halloween thread.

Ah, okay. Thank you for clarifying.

Originally Posted by Martoto

I never accused you of calling me narcissistic. I'm disputing your definition of what is narcissistic.

If Haddonfield and its Sheriff's dept is not like a normal town's and allows things like the plot hole implied in Halloween II then it needs to be part of the story. Otherwise you can justify any plot hole of any severity with things that happen off screen which are not "impossible" since anything is possible. Especially when they happen off screen and aren't ever mentioned. Like it could actually be something like the Truman Show. It's not a real town and everything is staged to give Tommy Doyle a false sense of reality. Anything is possible.

Dismissing the extremely implausible unless it's been explicated in the movie would not be narcissistic. It is not narcissistic.

I'm sure you're right about the error. However, I haven't seen the movie in a while and I simply can't address it without saying anything is possible. Let's agree to disagree. As I said, you're probably right, but I wanted to give my thoughts regardless.

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

It is strange how some people really want to connect all the sequels together. I think it’s kind of fun to think about it as a joke, but it’s really ridiculous when you think about all the choices Laurie would have to make for it to be real. She’d have to believe that Michael somehow got up and walked away after she witnessed him engulfed in flames (which is a ridiculous explanation that’s given in H20), decide to fake her death, abandon her daughter, make her daughter believe she’s dead, and move to California while her daughter stays in Haddonfield, the town where Michael Myers was last seen. All this to protect her daughter… What was her plan? To eventually make contact with Jamie? “Surprise! You thought I was dead but here I am years later! I guess I could’ve taken you with me before but no one’s perfect!”

Also, there’s a cop in H20 who says after the events of HII they never found his body. Was it a government secret that Myers was in a coma for ten years and no one remembers or reported on the events of H4-6?

You know, originally I thought that whole thing is what happened. It never occurred to me that it's a different timeline when I first watched the movie. In fact, a high school friend mentioned the fact that it is a different timeline and I said, "So, you noticed that, too?" Basically lying my arse off. I didn't want to sound dumb regarding a horror franchise I have loved since forever.

The Jamie and H20 timeline couldn't be possible. It makes zero sense. If Laurie wanted to fake her own death and the events of parts 4-6 happened, then Michael would still be part of the thorn cult. And she'd have taken Jaime with her, unless it was a sudden thing where Jaime even thought her mother was killed in an accident. But I don't think Laurie would have done something so dire. And there's the fact that Myers went to Haddonfield a couple more times that they don't mention inH20.

Originally Posted by Martoto

Anything is possible.

Exactly! Now you get it. God, I'm learning everyone new tricks, ain't I? I'm just full of wind, hot air. You know?

Originally Posted by mar3o

How can you posit this as factual when there's no way to prove it? There are tons of examples of incompetence I see in the news daily.

Just because that shouldn't have happened doesn't mean it couldn't have happened.

That is what I was getting at. I just didn't want to continue the discussion because I have learned that dealing with possible narcissistic behavior leads one nowhere.

Originally Posted by Martoto

“Always keep an open mind. But nit so open that your brain falls out.”

NIT so open that your brain falls out? I think yours may have fallen out, or was that a brain-fart?

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

Here's a heavy meal song with lyrics devoted entirely to Halloween II.

Halloween II - YouTube

A heavy MEAL? That's pretty tasty a heavy meal...!

[Jay H.]

Halloween II