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deepscan · 06-07-2021, 06:17 AM

There is a site called the “Wayback Machine” that lets you see archives of websites that are no longer on service.

It is there that I found a website that helped to set the record straight on the Allen Smithee version of DUNE, why it happened, and what exact changes were made to the film.

You can find this information at the following URLs...

Part one can be found at: http://web.archive.org/web/199911271.../arrakis1.html

Part two can be found at: http://web.archive.org/web/199911151.../arrakis2.html

Please note that other than the changes listed, the website was originally prepared in 1999 during the era of VHS/Beta and LaserDisc, and therefore long before DVD, Blu Ray, and fan edits, so the info only reflects what was released at the time.

It is worth checking out if you really want to know what alterations were made to the extended cuts.

Christian Muth · 06-07-2021, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by deepscan

There is a site called the “Wayback Machine” that lets you see archives of websites that are no longer on service.

It is there that I found a website that helped to set the record straight on the Allen Smithee version of DUNE, why it happened, and what exact changes were made to the film.

You can find this information at the following URLs...

Part one can be found at: http://web.archive.org/web/199911271.../arrakis1.html

Part two can be found at: http://web.archive.org/web/199911151.../arrakis2.html

Please note that other than the changes listed, the website was originally prepared in 1999 during the era of VHS/Beta and LaserDisc, and therefore long before DVD, Blu Ray, and fan edits, so the info only reflects what was released at the time.

It is worth checking out if you really want to know what alterations were made to the extended cuts.

Thanks for sharing the info, but FYI, DVD was a few years into the format in 1999 and selling quite well at the time.

Chris

EvilJames · 06-07-2021, 11:08 AM

Very interesting, though the link gets the MCA exec's name slightly wrong - it's Harry Tatelman, not Tapelman, and here's an LA Times article from 1988 that specifies his role in the re-edit (and Lynch's lack of interest in being involved): https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...381-story.html

HD Goofnut · 06-07-2021, 12:06 PM

Here's a general set of differences if anyone needs it: https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=1382

Rayjg · 06-07-2021, 08:12 PM

Interesting that Lynch announced a longer cut for home video shortly after it hit theaters. So Universal actually recut the film for theatrical release without Lynch’s involvement? I was always under the impression that he was a good soldier and cooperated with the the change requests. He apparently was writing sequels at the time it was released.

deepscan · 06-07-2021, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rayjg

Interesting that Lynch announced a longer cut for home video shortly after it hit theaters. So Universal actually recut the film for theatrical release without Lynch’s involvement? I was always under the impression that he was a good soldier and cooperated with the the change requests. He apparently was writing sequels at the time it was released.

The theatrical version was sanctioned by Lynch, not Universal. DeLaurentiis had Lynch recut the film to 137 min., and that is the only version that was authorized by Lynch.

superbura9 · 07-12-2021, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I wish I could say the same for myself, but it's not quite what I want.

Hi there, Grand Duke. Did you make your own edit of Dune in 1080p yet? Just asking as you mentioned it about 2 years ago and all the other fan edits I've seen are in 480p.

Thanks so much!

HD Goofnut · 07-12-2021, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by superbura9

Hi there, Grand Duke. Did you make your own edit of Dune in 1080p yet? Just asking as you mentioned it about 2 years ago and all the other fan edits I've seen are in 480p.

Thanks so much!

No, four children have prevented that. Now, with the new UHD I make take the time to insert the 1080p footage from the deleted scenes DE TV cut and incorporate it with the UHD. There are also other things I'd have to tinker with though such as keeping the theatrical cut of the Geidi Prime scene, which is butchered to death on the TV cut.

superbura9 · 07-12-2021, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by hungrywives

I kinda sorta might have slept with his ex a little bit so I might be the Harkonnen on this one... and unfortunately not Sting.

My friend, only if your sleeping with her is what made her his ex, only then are you a true Harkonnnen

superbura9 · 07-12-2021, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

No, four children have prevented that. Now, with the new UHD I make take the time to insert the 1080p footage from the deleted scenes DE TV cut and incorporate it with the UHD. There are also other things I'd have to tinker with though such as keeping the theatrical cut of the Geidi Prime scene, which is butchered to death on the TV cut.

Dear Grand Duke,

I truly hope your HD fan edit will materialize. One thing is for sure, we can never have too many fan edits. I'm sure a lot of fans would love to see it in HD...!

Baron Vladimir Harkonnen.

Frank@Chicago · 01-18-2022, 08:00 PM

I watched the 3hr 'Spicedriver' cut in 4K on YouTube. It holds up very even today.

Don't know how they got away with 3hr Hollywood fan cut on YouTube, but it's there.

I have the TV cut on DVD and TC on BD, but the 4K Spicedriver cut is a great watch.

Fredluos · 06-23-2022, 08:53 PM

I have not read the full thread, so I don't know if anyone has already mentioned this before. But the picture in this blu-ray is masked. There are picture details missing both on the sides and bottom, and a little bit at the top too.

Furthermore I find the user menues annoying with too many popup functions and preview movie ads that disturb the movie experience.

Is there no better edition available?

agenda · 06-23-2022, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredluos

I have not read the full thread, so I don't know if anyone has already mentioned this before. But the picture in this blu-ray is masked. There are picture details missing both on the sides and bottom, and a little bit at the top too.

Exactly what release are you referring to? I don't follow.

Fredluos · 06-24-2022, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by agenda

Exactly what release are you referring to? I don't follow.

It is this https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Dune-Blu-ray/9665/ the 2010 blu-ray. Or it may be the 2016 https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Dune-Blu-ray/151366/, not sure, the box looks the same, and I believe the blu-ray disc is the same.

Agent Bond · 12-12-2022, 07:55 PM

https://www.avclub.com/david-lynch-i...ion-1848795394

Still waiting.

Gacivory · 12-12-2022, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent Bond

https://www.avclub.com/david-lynch-i...ion-1848795394

Still waiting.

Maybe he didn’t find anything worthwhile to bother with it.

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David Lynch: Yeah, I wanted to walk away. I always say, and it’s true, that with Dune, I sold out before I finished. It’s not like there’s a bunch of gold in the vaults waiting to be cut and put back together. It’s like, early on I knew what Dino wanted and what I could get away with and what I couldn’t. And so I started selling out, and it’s a sad, sad, pathetic, ridiculous story. But I would like to see what is there. I can’t remember, that’s the weird thing [laughs]. I can’t remember. And so it might be interesting—there could be something there. But I don’t think it’s a silk purse. I know it’s a sow’s ear.

Rayjg · 12-13-2022, 04:38 AM

He tried, desperately even, to get an extended version on VHS in the late 80s only to see the television version created. But it’s not like he’s all the busy these days. Seems he’s mostly revisiting his previous films anyway, so why not Dune?

moviemaker · 12-14-2022, 06:06 AM

I'm probably seeing things but the font used in the credits for Highlander 2: The Quickening (1991) looks almost identical to the credits in DUNE (1984). Virginia Madsen is in both so I screen-grabbed her credit:

drush9999 · 12-14-2022, 08:15 AM

Highlander II's font looks closer to the John Carpenter one.

moviemaker · 12-14-2022, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by drush9999

Highlander II's font looks closer to the John Carpenter one.

From “The Thing” right? Yes, I think you may be correct. I didn’t realize that until you mentioned it.

Off of YouTube via my iPhone so it may be slightly squashed here:

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06-07-2021, 06:17 AM	#1301
deepscan Active Member Member since:Oct 2017	There is a site called the “Wayback Machine” that lets you see archives of websites that are no longer on service. It is there that I found a website that helped to set the record straight on the Allen Smithee version of DUNE, why it happened, and what exact changes were made to the film. You can find this information at the following URLs... Part one can be found at: http://web.archive.org/web/199911271.../arrakis1.html Part two can be found at: http://web.archive.org/web/199911151.../arrakis2.html Please note that other than the changes listed, the website was originally prepared in 1999 during the era of VHS/Beta and LaserDisc, and therefore long before DVD, Blu Ray, and fan edits, so the info only reflects what was released at the time. It is worth checking out if you really want to know what alterations were made to the extended cuts.

06-07-2021, 11:08 AM	#1303
EvilJames Active Member Member since:Aug 2013 Blu-ray collection:64	Very interesting, though the link gets the MCA exec's name slightly wrong - it's Harry Tatelman, not Tapelman, and here's an LA Times article from 1988 that specifies his role in the re-edit (and Lynch's lack of interest in being involved): https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...381-story.html

06-07-2021, 12:06 PM	#1304
HD Goofnut Blu-ray King Top contributor Member since:May 2010 Location:Far, Far Away Home Theater Gallery:114 4K collection:743 Blu-ray collection:2372 DVD collection:128 MA collection:751 Digital collection:1091 Prime collection:598 Blu-ray reviews:133 Trading Score:39	Here's a general set of differences if anyone needs it: https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=1382

06-07-2021, 08:12 PM	#1305
Rayjg Blu-ray Champion Member since:Aug 2016	Interesting that Lynch announced a longer cut for home video shortly after it hit theaters. So Universal actually recut the film for theatrical release without Lynch’s involvement? I was always under the impression that he was a good soldier and cooperated with the the change requests. He apparently was writing sequels at the time it was released.

01-18-2022, 08:00 PM	#1311
Frank@Chicago Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jul 2013 Blu-ray reviews:1	I watched the 3hr 'Spicedriver' cut in 4K on YouTube. It holds up very even today. Don't know how they got away with 3hr Hollywood fan cut on YouTube, but it's there. I have the TV cut on DVD and TC on BD, but the 4K Spicedriver cut is a great watch.

06-23-2022, 08:53 PM	#1312
Fredluos Member Member since:Feb 2014	I have not read the full thread, so I don't know if anyone has already mentioned this before. But the picture in this blu-ray is masked. There are picture details missing both on the sides and bottom, and a little bit at the top too. Furthermore I find the user menues annoying with too many popup functions and preview movie ads that disturb the movie experience. Is there no better edition available?

12-12-2022, 07:55 PM	#1315
Agent Bond Blu-ray Champion Member since:Dec 2008 Location:Las Vegas, Nevada Blu-ray collection:227 DVD collection:33 Trading Score:3	https://www.avclub.com/david-lynch-i...ion-1848795394 Still waiting.

12-13-2022, 04:38 AM	#1317
Rayjg Blu-ray Champion Member since:Aug 2016	He tried, desperately even, to get an extended version on VHS in the late 80s only to see the television version created. But it’s not like he’s all the busy these days. Seems he’s mostly revisiting his previous films anyway, so why not Dune?

12-14-2022, 06:06 AM	#1318
moviemaker Special Member Top contributor Member since:Sep 2009 Location:Hollywoodland 4K collection:315 Blu-ray collection:904 DVD collection:71 Blu-ray reviews:1	I'm probably seeing things but the font used in the credits for Highlander 2: The Quickening (1991) looks almost identical to the credits in DUNE (1984). Virginia Madsen is in both so I screen-grabbed her credit:

12-14-2022, 08:15 AM	#1319
drush9999 Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Nov 2016 Location:Sutton Coldfield, England 4K collection:566 Blu-ray collection:6092 DVD collection:488 Trading Score:1	Highlander II's font looks closer to the John Carpenter one.

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