List of UHDs that utilize 4K or Higher Masters

[HD Goofnut]

Updates made.

[asianhawk]

Hi,

Just come across this great thread after reading about the native 4K confusion in UHD discs for the first time this evening. A couple of questions that hopefully someone can advise on:

1) Regarding updates to this thread, are just films added that are suggested, or is there any ordered system of going through release date pages such as https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/releasedates.php?4k=1 or https://ultrahd.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html

2) This is going to keep growing forever isn't it. Wouldn't a link to a spreadsheet be easier to manage?

3) If Blu-ray.com lists UHD releases as 'Native 4K' and 'Upscaled 4K', am i corrent in thinking that this actually means:

Native 4K: Scanned in 4K (likely from film), or 4K native digital, but both likely downscaled to 2K for working with the print and then upscaled back to 4K.

Upscaled 4K: 2K Scan or 2K digital release, likely worked on in 2K and then upscaled to 4K.

4) Is there a list of films anywhere that were filmed on cameras with 4K or above, and where the filmakers used a 4K digital intermediate? From this avforums page: https://www.avforums.com/articles/a-...blu-ray.12353/ i was only able to find 4 films: Chappie, The Expendables III, The Revenant, The Smurfs 2.
I guess there is no way of us knowing if there are any True 4K releases as even these have likely been downscaled for processing?

Thanks for any insight.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by asianhawk

Hi,

Just come across this great thread after reading about the native 4K confusion in UHD discs for the first time this evening. A couple of questions that hopefully someone can advise on:

1) Regarding updates to this thread, are just films added that are suggested, or is there any ordered system of going through release date pages such as https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/releasedates.php?4k=1 or https://ultrahd.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html

2) This is going to keep growing forever isn't it. Wouldn't a link to a spreadsheet be easier to manage?

3) If Blu-ray.com lists UHD releases as 'Native 4K' and 'Upscaled 4K', am i corrent in thinking that this actually means:

Native 4K: Scanned in 4K (likely from film), or 4K native digital, but both likely downscaled to 2K for working with the print and then upscaled back to 4K.

Upscaled 4K: 2K Scan or 2K digital release, likely worked on in 2K and then upscaled to 4K.

4) Is there a list of films anywhere that were filmed on cameras with 4K or above, and where the filmakers used a 4K digital intermediate? From this avforums page: https://www.avforums.com/articles/a-...blu-ray.12353/ i was only able to find 4 films: Chappie, The Expendables III, The Revenant, The Smurfs 2.
I guess there is no way of us knowing if there are any True 4K releases as even these have likely been downscaled for processing?

Thanks for any insight.

1-2) I could do a spreadsheet, but I prefer having the covers so that members can see it and then click that cover so they know they are looking at the correct release.

3) Don't trust the BD.com listings. Usually they are correct, but sometimes they are not.

4) Everything in my list was given a 4K or higher scan.

[gkolb]

RE: Question 3: Native 4K: Movies with a full 4K workflow (or hypothetically higher) output to a 4K DI (and 4K DCP theatrical) will be on his list.

(NOTE: A couple of 65 mm films were scanned at 8K and output to 8K DI for Japan NHK for showcase on 8K displays during the summer Olympic year. They are not available for streaming or other distribution outside of Japan to my knowledge.) 8K display tech has kind of ground to a slow walk due to lack of adoption by the general public.

The scenario you described shot 4K with a 2K workflow even if upscaled back isn’t a native 4K DI.

[randian]

I definitely wouldn't call a film scanned in or shot in 4k (or higher) but using a downrezzed workflow a native 4k release. Doing a downrez/uprez isn't lossless either. If this site is in fact calling a release with a 2k workflow "native 4k" we should definitely try to get that changed. Any specific examples of such?

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by randian

I definitely wouldn't call a film scanned in or shot in 4k (or higher) but using a downrezzed workflow a native 4k release. Doing a downrez/uprez isn't lossless either. If this site is in fact calling a release with a 2k workflow "native 4k" we should definitely try to get that changed. Any specific examples of such?

The site is user edited, so you could just look yourself and change them if you want. I think most ignore the site's details and rely on this thread and others like it, so there's no great desire to put in all that work.

[SMD88]

Wait, was First Blood, Rocky III and Rocky IV NOT 4K masters?

[siso]

Enter The Dragon, Lost In Translation.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by siso

Enter The Dragon, Lost In Translation.

Done.

[Zoland2020]

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Zoland2020

[Show spoiler]

Done.

[asianhawk]

Originally Posted by randian

I definitely wouldn't call a film scanned in or shot in 4k (or higher) but using a downrezzed workflow a native 4k release. Doing a downrez/uprez isn't lossless either. If this site is in fact calling a release with a 2k workflow "native 4k" we should definitely try to get that changed. Any specific examples of such?

I was just going by a couple of comments of a couple of threads that described the working process for these films in post production. The implication being that films are easier to work with in 2K because of processing times. But i'm not familiar with industry standards. Whether or not this is the case, to know which films are processed in this way would be impossible to find out. Which is why, when this site uses the term 'Native 4K' i just assume it refers to resolution of the original print or the scan.

[asianhawk]

Listed on this site as native 4K but not on the list:




Fantastic Beasts and Where To Find Them (should this be added to the list or is this an upscale?)

Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom (is on the list as native. This site has it as native for US/Canada but upscale for EU. AVforums says it's upscale)

[gkolb]

Morbius is a 2K DCP per Pieter V.
I’ll bet Crimes of the Future and The New Mutants are only 2K DI’s as well. Couldn’t find anything on them in a 5 minute search though.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by gkolb

Morbius is a 2K DCP per Pieter V.
I’ll bet Crimes of the Future and The New Mutants are only 2K DI’s as well. Couldn’t find anything on them in a 5 minute search though.

I'll need confirmation on these here. I'm adding the ones from the above post that I know were 4K scans.

[Zoland2020]

New:

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Zoland2020

[Show spoiler]New:

Done.

[Zoland2020]

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Zoland2020

[Show spoiler]

Done.

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by asianhawk

Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom (is on the list as native. This site has it as native for US/Canada but upscale for EU. AVforums says it's upscale)

It's native got it confirmed by the people who worked on the DI.

Originally Posted by Pieter V

Got word this movie was 4K finished, like I always thought, despite involvement of 3D and 2K DCPs. It looked too good for being a 2K upscale.

Originally Posted by Zoland2020

Originally Posted by Zoland2020

Upscales.