Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem 4K UHD (2023)

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by StreetPreacher

Interesting, thanks for the info!

I had been under the impression that at least PIXAR was releasing 'native 4K' renders of their recent movies like Coco & Encanto on UHD. I didn't know it was only select scenes, and that they were also mostly just upscaled... I guess it's still time/cost prohibitive to render entire 120min CGI movies in native 4K using current hardware.
So they're not even producing all of the assets in 4K then? And only bother with 'true 4K' textures etc. for specific scenes?

What you (and pretty much everyone else, so nothing personal) don't realise is that it's not about rendering out a single 120 minute movie at any given time. Their render farms are going non-stop because scenes are constantly being reiterated over and over as tweaks and changes are made, sometimes into the hundreds of iterations, as well as whatever other projects the company may be working on at the time.

Even with all the advances in computing power, storage capacity etc there's still one commodity which can't be increased: time. Movies aren't made on open-ended timescales (unless your name was Kubrick, lol), and native 4K for everything still isn't viable. We're getting there with live action mind you, more and more movies are being finished out to 4K inc. VFX, but for an all-CG production there's still that bottleneck.

That Pixar paper from puddy77 is a real eye-opener on this subject, and is recommended reading. It's only a short read but it neatly sums up the state of play.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

What you (and pretty much everyone else, so nothing personal) don't realise is that it's not about rendering out a single 120 minute movie at any given time. Their render farms are going non-stop because scenes are constantly being reiterated over and over as tweaks and changes are made, sometimes into the hundreds of iterations, as well as whatever other projects the company may be working on at the time.

Even with all the advances in computing power, storage capacity etc there's still one commodity which can't be increased: time. Movies aren't made on open-ended timescales (unless your name was Kubrick, lol), and native 4K for everything still isn't viable. We're getting there with live action mind you, more and more movies are being finished out to 4K inc. VFX, but for an all-CG production there's still that bottleneck.

Even if it were viable, it would still cost more money.

And, the reality is, whether something is rendered in native 4K or not, state of the art CG or not, makes absolutely no difference to the people who are buying tickets to go buy and see it in theaters. Just ask Illumination who spent 80M on Minions 3 and got a 939M return, and who spent 100M on TSMBM and got a 1.36M return.

There simply is no ROI on state of the art animation rendering, you are basically burning cash at that point.

[PonyoBellanote]

There's a difference between 4K render and 4K as in video resolution, though. But I'm telling ya if Disney's Pixars aren't really being made in native 4K at all, and it's upscales finished to a 4K DI, I tell you, their upscaling methods are really impressive as they fool me.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by PonyoBellanote

There's a difference between 4K render and 4K as in video resolution, though. But I'm telling ya if Disney's Pixars aren't really being made in native 4K at all, and it's upscales finished to a 4K DI, I tell you, their upscaling methods are really impressive as they fool me.

It's not too dissimilar from Way of Water, which is basically an animated movie anyway. It got a nominal 4K finish but upon comparing HD to UHD it's got a fraction more detail, it clearly got done at 2K-ish and was uprezzed to 4K. And when you consider that it was essentially 2K48 in 3D that's up to four times as much data (variable HFR taken into account) as a 2K24 2D finish, or as much data as a single 4K24 2D finish. So even with all the "state of the art" gubbins and years in the making, AWoW still had to stick to 2K rez just to get it done with all the bells and whistles that Cameron wanted re: HFR and 3D.

[PonyoBellanote]

I'm guessing having and entire CGI movie natively in 4K is still gonna take a decade more.

[danceagain]

Is this available in stores right now in another territory, outside of the US?
December 12th in the US
Why do we have to wait?

[unberechenbar]

Originally Posted by danceagain

Is this available in stores right now in another territory, outside of the US?
December 12th in the US
Why do we have to wait?

Apparently it got released in the UK three days ago. You can order it from Amazon UK.

[lgans316]

Steelbook £20-£21 delivered here: https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B0CHZ15C6Z/

[Pieter V]

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[WhiskeyGnome]

Originally Posted by Retro81

They made her Black and young, apparently this is an issue with some people

They really made April black lol? I mean I guess I can see that, but it's still a weird choice if you ask me. Why not just make a turtle or some other character a black voice instead of completely going woke and changing this for very little reason other than HEY LOOK we changed her skin color? Seems pretty iffy to me. And I would say this for any prominent black character changed to white just for the hell of it too.

Can't say I really love the designs of these turtles. After watching that trailer I think it's an easy no for me. Looks like some cheesy kid thing. Bring back the 80s cartoon in 4K ffs.

[bongozoid]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyGnome

They really made April black lol? I mean I guess I can see that, but it's still a weird choice if you ask me. Why not just make a turtle or some other character a black voice instead of completely going woke and changing this for very little reason other than HEY LOOK we changed her skin color? Seems pretty iffy to me. And I would say this for any prominent black character changed to white just for the hell of it too.

Can't say I really love the designs of these turtles. After watching that trailer I think it's an easy no for me. Looks like some cheesy kid thing. Bring back the 80s cartoon in 4K ffs.

Yikes.

Wait until you find out half the voice cast were black actors...

[WhiskeyGnome]

Originally Posted by bongozoid

Yikes.

Wait until you find out half the voice cast were black actors...

Wait until I find out? Am I supposed to care? As in I could see Raphael being a black guy. He's one of my favorites, and I can think of more than a few actors that could play him. He was generally played by a white guy in most of the cartoons and what not. Changing April just seems pointless to me. Like why? What's the reasoning except another woke agenda by those in charge?

Regardless, this reboot looked awful, and April had nothing to do with it. I simply don't like the look of these turtles in the slightest bit. I don't like the animation either. It's not like I am mad at the film for changing April, it just seems kinda pointless to me like the recent Disney efforts. I cannot think of logical reasons for doing this except to pander to certain demographics for sales. Which is fine. I was asking if anybody knew why they changed her.

Personally, I never really had a huge attachment to April. But I do have an attachment to the look of the turtles and Splinter. This is easily the worst look I have ever seen.

[MuffinMcFluffin]

I wasn't a fan of this April character, I gotta admit.

I also didn't really like that this wasn't so much a TMNT movie, but more of a mutants movie (I guess I should've known from the title).

I did like the movie, though.

[WhiskeyGnome]

Originally Posted by MuffinMcFluffin

I wasn't a fan of this April character, I gotta admit.

I also didn't really like that this wasn't so much a TMNT movie, but more of a mutants movie (I guess I should've known from the title).

I did like the movie, though.

Does anybody know the reasoning behind literally never releasing the 80s cartoons IN HIGH DEFINITION? I still don't understand at all why Ducktales and TMNT from the 80s have never been released. I just don't get it. Plenty of people want these products.

That's fine I know they need to update these characters, but this is just bleh to me. It's like the sole reason they changed April is to get people talking about the film, and I just can't be bothered because of how the turtles look and act. Just not my thing, but I am sure there are fans.

[bongozoid]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyGnome

Does anybody know the reasoning behind literally never releasing the 80s cartoons? I still don't understand at all why Ducktales and TMNT from the 80s have never been released. I just don't get it. Plenty of people want these products.

That's fine I know they need to update these characters, but this is just bleh to me. It's like the sole reason they changed April is to get people talking about the film, and I just can't be bothered because of how the turtles look and act. Just not my thing, but I am sure there are fans.

What are you talking about? The 80's series has been available for a VERY long time now.

April's look suited her character in the film. I had no issues with it. And the movie was actually MUCH better than I expected (I, too, originally wrote it off due to the animation style). Y'all need to move on from your childhood and accept things change.

[PonyoBellanote]

I myself loved this movie, an awful lot. It wasn't a masterpiece but it doesn't need to be. Was beautifully visually animated, entertained, the characters were all pretty good, April wasn't as bad as everyone made it out to be.. yeah. I preordered the steelbook and I'll be getting it next week happily.

[dorium]

Masterpiece. Saw it 4 times in theaters and eagerly awaiting the steelbook.

[Sky_Captain]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyGnome

This is easily the worst look I have ever seen.

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[rexcrk]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyGnome

Wait until I find out? Am I supposed to care? As in I could see Raphael being a black guy. He's one of my favorites, and I can think of more than a few actors that could play him. He was generally played by a white guy in most of the cartoons and what not. Changing April just seems pointless to me. Like why? What's the reasoning except another woke agenda by those in charge?

Regardless, this reboot looked awful, and April had nothing to do with it. I simply don't like the look of these turtles in the slightest bit. I don't like the animation either. It's not like I am mad at the film for changing April, it just seems kinda pointless to me like the recent Disney efforts. I cannot think of logical reasons for doing this except to pander to certain demographics for sales. Which is fine. I was asking if anybody knew why they changed her.

Personally, I never really had a huge attachment to April. But I do have an attachment to the look of the turtles and Splinter. This is easily the worst look I have ever seen.

Another case of fandom brain rot.

[WhiskeyGnome]

Originally Posted by bongozoid

What are you talking about? The 80's series has been available for a VERY long time now.

April's look suited her character in the film. I had no issues with it. And the movie was actually MUCH better than I expected (I, too, originally wrote it off due to the animation style). Y'all need to move on from your childhood and accept things change.

Literally no, it hasn't been available to buy in any kind of physical product lol.

Originally Posted by rexcrk

Another case of fandom brain rot.

Another case of let's buy whatever they sell us. EVERYTHING'S GREAT GUYZ.

Just one look at the RT ratings and you can literally smell the industry shills. Like a Marvel movie almost. Just constant adoration for complete mediocrity. A Seth Rogan masterpiece! Said nobody in truth.

Originally Posted by bongozoid

What are you talking about? The 80's series has been available for a VERY long time now.

April's look suited her character in the film. I had no issues with it. And the movie was actually MUCH better than I expected (I, too, originally wrote it off due to the animation style). Y'all need to move on from your childhood and accept things change.

This makes no sense. The TMNT film from 2009 was amazing and spot on. This is like a movie made for 5 year olds. Enjoy as you wish, but I don't. I find the Turtles all to be horrifically comedic in all the worst ways. And I will never get into this animation style no matter how many people tell me it's just AMAZING GUYZ. It really isn't.