Gladiator (2000)

[OARmaster]

Originally Posted by thethingwithnoname

Just joined today to have a quick post on here about this thread

What is the issue with AVS on here? Why so much hatred?
Shouldn't we all be getting on as fellow internet movie fans?
I know some people on the AVS can overdo the issues on some BD discs, but they are serving a useful purpose checking quality and nit-picking to the finest degree
Hopefully the more people point out flaws, the better releases will be?
From what I've seen on many sites (not just AVS) the Gladiator release is very poor indeed
Yet not many on here mention how much they have praised the Braveheart BD? So its not an anti-BD bias

And i quoted above as I fail to see what criticism of DNR, EE & overzealous 'scratch removal' or indeed a discussion of legality of clips from films has to do with HD-DVD?

Why is it some people seem to not be able to let go of a format war that was over ages ago? What relevance has that here?

Sorry, but I felt i had to write some sort of sane comment after some of the silly comments posted on here

You can go back to your dinasaur format war dredging if you want

Shame, some real discussion about quality or lack of of titles might be nice

Discussion about flawed BD releases can be had, but the folks I mentioned have proven that any information they provide cannot be trusted. The ring leader was banned from here for doctoring screenshots in favor of HD-DVD and now posted the the majority of the screenshots at AVS. The history of those on that forum speaks for itself really. It also should be repeated that industry insiders and other various experts now refuse to take part in discussions there because the tactics and behavior of various members and mods.

[Grubert]

Originally Posted by 42041

More amazing is that some people take this crap so seriously that they want people to get in legal trouble because they are able to get a hold of discs before wide release and take the time out of their day to let people like me make informed decisions buying them, which are not always positive conclusions

In the meantime those same bad, bad people took screenshots of the Hot Fuzz BD and at first blush they look slightly but definitely better than the HD DVD.

Some HD DVD vendetta, right?

[thethingwithnoname]

Originally Posted by OARmaster

Discussion about flawed BD releases can be had, but the folks I mentioned have proven that any information they provide cannot be trusted. The ring leader was banned from here for doctoring screenshots in favor of HD-DVD and now posted the the majority of the screenshots at AVS. The history of those on that forum speaks for itself really. It also should be repeated that industry insiders and other various experts now refuse to take part in discussions there because the tactics and behavior of various members and mods.

Fair enough if that happened in the past, but I have seen screenshots on at least three other forums, not posted by AVS regular posters, two are UK forums of which i am an active member

Just because someone has done sometihng before, does that mean they always do it?
If someone posts sometihng to try an be helpful on a different forum, does history rule out everything they do on that forum?
I post and read on several forums in the UK and the US. I like a balanced opinion from most of them.
But when people block off an entire forums opinion from many different posters on that forum because of an old argument, that seems a bit of the old 'cutting your nose off to spite your face'

anyway, on topic, I'll look forward to official reviews of Gladiator when the official screeners arrive with the reviewers (on here, AVS, highdefdigest etc etc)
Hopefully everyone who will be reviewing the disc will be aware of the possible issues and report in full on them

I love Gladiator, but from what i have read, I'll be definitly buying Braveheart, but most likely not Gladiator now

Just because a Blu-ray is an improvement on a DVD does not mean that is acceptable. Especially with a much hyped new label 'Sapphire series' at a high RRP for a catalogue title.
A much loved classic like 'Gladiator' deserves the best BD it could get - like a newly struck HD master, but obv the bods in charge do not think so and seem to think we'll accept any old rubbish

[msgohan]

Well if anyone wants to see what another movie that had automated scratch reduction looks like, one European release of Pulp Fiction:

http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/...0712/picture:3

Plenty of details painted out. No one who owns the import complained as far as I know. Note that the French disc appears to have print artifacts painted out manually instead of relying on the automated filter like the Danish release.

These are far from the only two examples. The US release of "First Blood" (first Rambo movie) has the same thing, with disappearing fingers and bullets during the end of the movie.

[Philnerd]

Originally Posted by TL OWNS U

Seriously, its just 3 arrows, its not like the arrows won an Oscar or anything....right?

Well actually, they did Academy Award for Best Visual Effects.

[Philnerd]

Originally Posted by TL OWNS U

People aren't going to watch a movie for arrows or fireballs, there going to watch the movie because of the story.

I had to check the URL to make sure I wasn't on youtube-movies.com We can watch digital copies on iPods to get the story of the movie. Or stream it from Netflix or hulu. DVD works quite well too. We get the Blu-Ray version *precisely* to add the arrows and fireballs, so to speak.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Philnerd

Well actually, they did Academy Award for Best Visual Effects.

And it was a VERY weak year for VFX nominees.

[Chrysagon]

Here's a solution. If you can't wait and for some reason are compelled to buy Gladiator, then buy it.

But everyone else should wait for the reviews. Don't preorder. Control your impulsivity and wait a few weeks for the verdict from reliable reviewers. Why is that so hard to do? Then when the facts are in, if true, we should let Paramount know of our displeasure with their treatment of this movie.

[Grubert]

Originally Posted by msgohan

Well if anyone wants to see what another movie that had automated scratch reduction looks like, one European release of Pulp Fiction:

http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/...0712/picture:3

Plenty of details painted out. No one who owns the import complained as far as I know. Note that the French disc appears to have print artifacts painted out manually instead of relying on the automated filter like the Danish release.

Heh. It just so happens that only yesterday I watched the French Blu-ray release of Pulp Fiction. It's absolutely breathtaking. Hopefully they use that master for the US edition.

[Robert Harris]

A bit of history as background which comes as dark humor (humour) to this thread.

Sir Laurence Olivier's King Henry V, known affectionately as Hank Cinq, had a battle sequence with archers letting arrows fly...

which were animated.

In original dye transfer prints, we had arrows. In later printings, especially from labs other than Technicolor London, the unwary techs had no information as to the extra layer to be used in the creation of printing matrices, and some printing negative were produced...

without the arrows.

It seems as though poor technical work may have repeated itself after six and a half decades.

RAH

[Matt_Stevens]

OARmaster continues to ammuse me. Might as well name him SPINmaster as he continues to personally attack and insult people and just lie and lie and lie, especially in regards to sceenshots and HD-DVD.

Good grief. Not only have I viewed this release,but others have and we ae informing you that unlike BRAVEHEART, GLADIATOR has been badly compromised due to excessive DVNR. For that we are attacked, personally insulted, called evil ad worse.

There is a reason why this forum has become a laughing stock anywhere else. It seems that any critisism of any BD release is met with scorn, denial and accusations of fraud. This is just pathetic.

The proof is in the pudding. The extended scenes in GLADIATOR have not been compromised. In fact, they look very good. High amounts of detail and no missing objects or VFX.

But some of you will never, ever, EVER believe clear cut proof...

[sharkcohen]

Originally Posted by Robert Harris

A bit of history as background which comes as dark humor (humour) to this thread.

Sir Laurence Olivier's King Henry V, known affectionately as Hank Cinq, had a battle sequence with archers letting arrows fly...

which were animated.

In original dye transfer prints, we had arrows. In later printings, especially from labs other than Technicolor London, the unwary techs had no information as to the extra layer to be used in the creation of printing matrices, and some printing negative were produced...

without the arrows.

It seems as though poor technical work may have repeated itself after six and a half decades.

RAH

That's awesome.

[KilloWertz]

Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens

OARmaster continues to ammuse me. Might as well name him SPINmaster as he continues to personally attack and insult people and just lie and lie and lie, especially in regards to sceenshots and HD-DVD.

Good grief. Not only have I viewed this release,but others have and we ae informing you that unlike BRAVEHEART, GLADIATOR has been badly compromised due to excessive DVNR. For that we are attacked, personally insulted, called evil ad worse.

There is a reason why this forum has become a laughing stock anywhere else. It seems that any critisism of any BD release is met with scorn, denial and accusations of fraud. This is just pathetic.

The proof is in the pudding. The extended scenes in GLADIATOR have not been compromised. In fact, they look very good. High amounts of detail and no missing objects or VFX.

But some of you will never, ever, EVER believe clear cut proof...

First, it's not DVNR. It's DNR. Second, just because some people here don't love your forums over at AVS doesn't mean everyone should be lumped together. Maybe the people here are telling the truth. Frankly, I could care less about worrying stupid forum drama between different websites. I gave up caring about any of this pages and pages ago. You can show me five million pictures of why you think the BD of Gladiator is crap and none of it matters because all of this is just going around in circles. I'll just wait for reviews on Gladiator at this point.

[TL OWNS U]

My God, we're still argueing? Oh Wait, I never answered the question. Braveheart, don't really care about the Gladiater movie.

[KilloWertz]

Originally Posted by TL OWNS U

My God, we're still argueing? Oh Wait, I never answered the question. Braveheart, don't really care about the Gladiater movie.

Yep. I'm guessing it will keep going until at least a little after Gladiator comes out.

[tacomaprime]

Originally Posted by benricci

We're seriously still nitpicking the possible removal of three meaningless friggin arrows from one still frame?

I'm done with this thread. Time to go enjoy some movies.

I'm with this guy. While you all are sitting at your computers whining about the existence/nonexistence of 3 arrows and a fireball, I will be in my home theater enjoying gladiator on blu ray. Have fun kiddies.

[Beta Man]

Originally Posted by thethingwithnoname

Just joined today to have a quick post on here about this thread

What is the issue with AVS on here? Why so much hatred?
Shouldn't we all be getting on as fellow internet movie fans?
I know some people on the AVS can overdo the issues on some BD discs, but they are serving a useful purpose checking quality and nit-picking to the finest degree
Hopefully the more people point out flaws, the better releases will be?
From what I've seen on many sites (not just AVS) the Gladiator release is very poor indeed
Yet not many on here mention how much they have praised the Braveheart BD? So its not an anti-BD bias

And i quoted above as I fail to see what criticism of DNR, EE & overzealous 'scratch removal' or indeed a discussion of legality of clips from films has to do with HD-DVD?

Why is it some people seem to not be able to let go of a format war that was over ages ago? What relevance has that here?

Sorry, but I felt i had to write some sort of sane comment after some of the silly comments posted on here

You can go back to your dinosaur format war dredging if you want

Shame, some real discussion about quality or lack of of titles might be nice

I'm with this guy..... except I don't feel the excessive nit-picking is going to improve future releases...... We are the minority.... and when Blu-ray players become even more commonplace in homes, studios will actually have less incentive for leaving Grain in tact, or providing lossless audio etc..... The average Joe wants everything to look "Bright and Sharp" and they don't appreciate film.... heck, even here there are people who claim transfers were poor due to grain..... just silly really.

Let's face it...... IF this release is flawed, people will have more reasons to repurchase it in a year or so when they release some other special edition.

Patton is a perfect example by the way.....

1) It looks a lot better than my DVD of it.
2) It's DNR'd to hell and back.....
3) It's a perfect "older" movie to show someone who is interested in Blu-ray because it blows them away......

I would much prefer it to be re-released and leaving the grain in tact, and not DNRing the hell out of it...... But I bet there are TONS of people who would prefer the DNR'd version to a carefully restored "Truer" version of the film.

That's just the way the average consumer is unfortunately.

[Sussudio]

I just don't get why people on here are complaining. You are in control of 2 things: whether you will buy it or not, and whether you enjoy it or not. You do not have control over how the movie is remastered, you do not have control over the initial pricing (unless you have coupons etc), either purchase the movie or continue on to other blurays that satisfy you, because another version of this sure isn't being released anytime soon. It makes sense being a bluray forum that people either praise or criticize the technical aspects of major releases, but whatever happened to buying movies because you actually enjoyed the stories, the performances etc? I don't know, to me that comes before everything else

[tacomaprime]

wow, people have moved from here, and avs to amazon and are giving the movie a 1 star rating, even before seeing the movie.

[Big Z]

Funny really, how quiet this thread just got. Now we wait.

Everyone who has posted on here is waiting on "I told you so"

Sad really, that so much weight has been given to so little evidence.

The weight that is now being dropped to all consumers of this blu we anticipated so dearly.

Gladiator Blu...