Gladiator (2000)

[KilloWertz]

Originally Posted by benricci

This does not need its own thread.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=104438

Very true, but in all honesty, why would the person want to read that damn thread now? This will just turn into that though, so...

[AKORIS]

Originally Posted by Big Z

YAY!!! A new Gladiator thread where people can be angry about things they haven't seen yet!!!

We had almost 900 posts on the other one....

+1

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by thethingwithnoname

Just joined today to have a quick post on here about this thread

What is the issue with AVS on here? Why so much hatred?

because ignorant AVS members feel a need to come here and post garbadge

Shouldn't we all be getting on as fellow internet movie fans?

I am not sure we are all movie fans, after all, with some people it seems to be "don't buy/ don't see that movie"

I know some people on the AVS can overdo the issues on some BD discs, but they are serving a useful purpose checking quality and nit-picking to the finest degree

I don't have an issue with that, the issue is that none of those people have any credibility, you can't trust the guys posting the pics and if you look in the dictionary under stupid the definition is someone deciding film artefacts based on screen shots.

Hopefully the more people point out flaws, the better releases will be?

unfortunately it is not likely to happen

And i quoted above as I fail to see what criticism of DNR, EE & overzealous 'scratch removal' or indeed a discussion of legality of clips from films has to do with HD-DVD?

nothing, but can you explain how some of those people never had any criticism for any HD DVDs? and how the criticism for BDs tends to be proportional to the popularity? and how it is not criticizing a movie they have seen but telling people that they should not buy the movie (and stick with the DVD)?

Originally Posted by thethingwithnoname

Just because someone has done something before, does that mean they always do it?

no, but it should mean they have 0 credibility. Would you say, hey guys maybe Madoff changed his ways, we should all give him our life savings to manage. It brings to mind the saying "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me"

But when people block off an entire forums opinion from many different posters on that forum because of an old argument, that seems a bit of the old 'cutting your nose off to spite your face'

the issue with forums becomes that people (and opinion tends to grow together. When I joined AVS in 2001 there where many very knowledgeable people on there, by the time I left in 2007 many of them had long been gone, what happens to a newb on a forum? he learns from the people there, knowledgeable people interacting with newbs keeps and builds a knowledgeable forums, idiots interacting and teaching newbs builds an ignorant forum. Sooner or later a forum looses all credibility because it is people parroting something stupid said by someone else who either on purpose or not told them something wrong.

I love Gladiator, but from what i have read, I'll be definitly buying Braveheart, but most likely not Gladiator now

Just because a Blu-ray is an improvement on a DVD does not mean that is acceptable.

I don't know about you, but I have yet to watch a BD which is not a lot better then the DVD, maybe this will be the first, but I find it funny that based on some screen shots from people known to doctor images and hyperbolize issues with BDs you are willing to stick with and watch the DVD of a movie you love. Can you explain how me willing to upgrade to a, most likely, better quality image makes me a BD fanboy, but you willing to watch a lower quality image because the better quality image is not good enough does not show there is something wrong with you (most likely spending too much time on AVS and drinking that Kool-Aid which is why we laugh when someone says “I saw it on AVS)

[42041]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

you can't trust the guys posting the pics

man, there's some real conspiracy theory nonsense going on over here

[loco]

This argument is pretty silly...nonetheless check out the review on www.dvdbeaver.com and bury your fears.

[jdryyz]

Whoa whoa whoa....Paramount has "mastering polices"? When will it be economically feasible to exercise these policies for reissues of these less-than-steller BDs that they *knowingly* let out of the gate? I think we're in for a long wait. Seven years passed between the first Braveheart DVD and the 2 Disc SE. I hope we don't have to wait that long for an improved Gladiator BD.

That is interesting info regarding the Star Trek releases. It would appear the same thing happened in the case of Gladiator.

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

Trek 2 was definatley not DNR'd. It received a full modern standards restoration.

The rest were retransferred before current Paramount mastering policies were put into place, so while they were indeed NEW transfers, they weren't new enough, and by the time that was figured out it was too late to go back and redo it because they'd miss their window for release

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

As was said before <B>Paramount did not do the mastering on this title. Universal did</B>

And I also want to say

One-starring the disc on Amazon, calling the studio, sending obnoxious emails and the rest will definately not get you what you want

All you're doing is making getting what you want that much harder

I understand Universal did the transfer (I noted this in my rant), but Paramount is still releasing it.

If calling the studio to complain won't get what I want, what do you suggest that we do if we are unsatisfied with the PQ of the movie?

[thebluemax]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Missing a fourth option....

I won't be purchasing neither one of them

Who cares?

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by 42041

man, there's some real conspiracy theory nonsense going on over here

not at all, the guy has been caught doctoring pics, maybe these are real, but I don't trust people proven to be dishonest.

[Jeff Kleist]

Paramount is an odd company. Recently, they've been knocking their titles out of the park, such as Iron Man, Defiance, Zodiac, etc. I suppose I could blame Universal, who does some things right (improved transfers of the Bourne films, Serenity, etc) and does some things wrong (DNR on the BD transfer of U-571 that wasn't there in the HD DVD).... and they are responsible for the Gladiator master, so I guess it's Universal's fault.

The HD DVD was artificially sharpened, the Blu-ray was not. This came from the person who compressed both discs.

If calling the studio to complain won't get what I want, what do you suggest that we do if we are unsatisfied with the PQ of the movie?

Politely, and constructively state things, don't jump to conclusions, and wait until facts are discovered

A thread like this will send the average studio executive to digging foxholes or ignoring you rather than addressing the problem.

Any time there's an issue like this, it takes days, weeks, even a month or more to find out what happened. Take a look at T2, it was what, 5 weeks before we got Van's statement? And we were all working on the problem from before street.

[Packerfan75]

I love both movies enough that I'm gonna get them both on day one but will be a little hesitant if I don't have a review of the discs first. There are still some good movies that were not treated right when they got a Blu upgrade. Number 1 with a bullet is 'Master and Commander'. It's a shame for it to look almost exactly like it's standard dvd counterpart.

[Blu Myers]

Originally Posted by loco

This argument is pretty silly...nonetheless check out the review on www.dvdbeaver.com and bury your fears.

Looks great to me.

[Daredevil666]

I have seen it and it's trash. There's no debate, it's a fact by now. The debate should be about when will they re-release it in full HD 1080p godness from a Brand New Master.

[thebluemax]

Originally Posted by Mokus76

Hey Everyone,

I preordered Gladiator and Braveheart from Amazon but I read horrible things about Paramounts Gladiator so I canceled it right away.
People are saying that Paramount used an old Master of the movie and that it is DNR'd so much that it is NOT enjoyible at all.
I really hope bluray.com will receive the review copies very soon.
I am very affraid that it will be not much better then the DVD version from what I have read so far.
If this is true then why is Paramount calling it the Sapphire Series, it might be just for the hype and money making aspect afterall.

I am speechless and I am going to have to wait to see what I will do about Gladiator

Do you believe everything you read? Do you not have a brain of your own?

[shadowracer]

I think a few of you are forgetting just how many severe BD errors were found by AVS users.

The POTC framing issue.
Matrix skipped frame.
Starship Troopers repeating segment.
The Fifth Element looking crappy, then being reissued to look like gold.

Inside Man surround problem was found by someone who frequents AVS, but posted here first - and was temporarily banned for it.

Can't we all agree that we want are favorite movies to look the best and find some common ground there? This thread doesn't need conspiracy theorists, if you are happy to buy it then buy it and move on. There is way too much misdirected anger here in this thread.

[Blurayfan88]

Originally Posted by shadowracer

I think a few of you are forgetting just how many severe BD errors were found by AVS users.

The POTC framing issue.
Matrix skipped frame.
Starship Troopers repeating segment.
The Fifth Element looking crappy, then being reissued to look like gold.

Inside Man surround problem was found by someone who frequents AVS, but posted here first - and was temporarily banned for it.

Can't we all agree that we want are favorite movies to look the best and find some common ground there? This thread doesn't need conspiracy theorists, if you are happy to buy it then buy it and move on. There is way too much misdirected anger here in this thread.

Very true, I agree,

I was one of those that had to trade in my POTC disc, but Disney did a good job with their replacement program.

I wasn't aware of everything that went on in regards to the 5th element transfer, did Sony replace the defective discs or just rerelease the movie with a better transfer?

[shadowracer]

Originally Posted by Blurayfan88

I wasn't aware of everything that went on in regards to the 5th element transfer, did Sony replace the defective discs or just rerelease the movie with a better transfer?

They did both.

I think studios are willing to fix discs if they see a major issue. I think missing VFX shots count as a major issue.

Here's a comparison done by a European site that shows more VFX that have disappeared.
http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ator#vergleich

DNR/EE etc. is one thing, but a studio taking so little care that they actually remove things from the film is completely different.

Paramount is releasing this as part of the Sapphire series, even if Uni had the master. Paramount is responsible for what they release under their banner and new brand.

[Mokus76]

Originally Posted by thebluemax

Do you believe everything you read? Do you not have a brain of your own?

Well to be totally honest with you, I rarely believe what others say, but when so many are saying the same things I get a little scared. You have to understand something that might be hard for you, is that I am very picky with my DVD's and I am even more with Bluray's. I mean I look for the best picture and audio quality, no matter how old the movie.
For instance Casablanca on Bluray is amazing and I know its not the same genre of a movie like Gladiator, but how come that movie is perfect, never looked this good and we are talking about an old movie for christ sake!
Gladiator was not a huge success but it sure made its budget back and then some, but its a classic like Braveheart and Forrest Gump etc. it needs to be reference quality no matter what. I dont like to buy the movie again for just a little improvement, whats the point? Paramounts making more money just because they called it the Sapphire Series. What does it really mean?
Look at what Disney can do with their movies, and even include a 7.1 DTS HD MASTER AUDIO track on Snow White and same goes for almost all of their animation.
Come on give me a break and I was never completely satisfied with Gladiator and Braveheart on DVD.
If you cannot make it perfect then why even try, give the rights to Sony, Lionsgate or Newline Cinema and they will do a better job then Paramount.
If Gladiator is the way people say, no matter what they do I will NOT buy anything they make.
Quality Quality Quality is what we all want, but then again some dont care at all.

[space-monkey]

BTW, DVDBeaver is notorious for praising terrible transfers and not being able to spot DNR and EE.

They are only good for screenshots, nothing more.

[MosHighDef]

God i cant wait!!