Jurassic Park Collection 4K UHD (1993-2015)

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by Ben_UK

When does Amazon.com charge for pre-orders? Is it at the point of ordering or close to release date? Cheers.

Amazon US charges when the item ships.

I believe all Amazons I've preordered from worldwide do the same.

[Legend293]

Is it possible JP 2 amd 3 will look better then the previous 4k release? Not counting the DV upgrade. I just remember 2 and 3 looking pretty rough

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Legend293

Is it possible JP 2 amd 3 will look better then the previous 4k release? Not counting the DV upgrade. I just remember 2 and 3 looking pretty rough

That's only if Universal finally created a brand new 4k/HDR master from scratch for each film without the heavy DNR and other anomalies.

[The Rider]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Except that's not how it looked in the cinema. That's someone's scans of frames and who knows what manipulation those have had. That's certainly not a projected print. Where is the soundtrack & DTS timecode strip?

What makes you think that the film looked bad in the cinema back then? I can't remember anything about it, except that I was really pissed off when the Spinosaurus killed the T-Rex and that the sound was so loud that the floor vibrated.

Since JP III has a similar look on Blu-ray and Ultra HD Blu-ray as JP, I'm assuming Universal's lazy and incompetent work here. There are film stills that have completely different colours.

https://www.moviestillsdb.com/movies...rk-iii-i163025

Yes, I know, not necessarily representative.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by The Rider

What makes you think that the film looked bad in the cinema back then?

Because I saw it several times in the theater, on both coasts.

[Ben_UK]

Originally Posted by Nocheduro

Given the AI processing that was used on The Sugarland Express how do we know this won’t be more of the same for the original trilogy even if they are new scans?

This is one of the worries.

[RalphoR]

Originally Posted by Legend293

Is it possible JP 2 amd 3 will look better then the previous 4k release? Not counting the DV upgrade. I just remember 2 and 3 looking pretty rough

I thought Lost World looked the best of the original trilogy....and by far. JP was meh and JPIII, well, I'm not sure what they did with that one (if anything). It definitely needs a major boost.

[The Rider]

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

As you've shown in other threads, it seems you choose to see whatever you want to see even if there's evidence strongly suggesting otherwise.

I could say the same about you. So far you've only made statements, show me the evidence.

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

You do know that it is perfectly fine to like something without it being "correct", right? This whole notion that certain Blu-ray.com forum-goers can automatically detect when something is "revisionist" and that they know the "correct" grades for films when they don't even have valid references to compare these releases to is absolutely ridiculous and incredibly tiresome to scroll through.

If you take a closer look at today's color grading and the trends of the last 15 years, it really isn't particularly difficult to see whether revisionist work has been done in most cases.
I find your arrogance in the way you talk about other users tiring. I find it tiring that you don't differentiate at all.

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

Weren't you claiming the Amadeus UHD was revisionist too based off of nothing except a highly revisionist HD master which was made over 20 years ago? Well, that and saying that it having "teal" and "yellow" automatically means it's been "modernized". Even though comments from the filmmakers themselves in addition to it resembling something shot with candlelight/natural light suggested the UHD was far more accurate; not to mention how seriously Paul Zaentz worked on the project to make it as faithful a presentation as possible (it's probably a much more faithful presentation than the majority of catalog UHD titles). Hell, even the edition of Christmas Vacation that you don't seem to have a problem with is more "revisionist" than the 25th Anniversary UHD because they literally digitally erased mistakes from the film LOL.

Obviously you don't read what I write properly and have a bad memory. In Amadeus I claimed that the new restoration was much closer to the 35 mm copies, but not perfect because faces hardly stand out against walls, everything is yellow in the candlelight. The old HD master didn't have this problem. And I seriously doubt that the film makers worked so sloppily back then.
You also said that the yellow in The Good, the Bad and the Ugly wasn't the problem.

It is one thing to consider the intended stylistic devices of the filmmakers, another to implement them correctly.

With Christmas Vacation, I was talking about color grading, not digital manipulation. That's another very important topic, but it shouldn't be mixed up. Why should the 4K Blu-ray of Christmas Vacation have the wrong color grading (because it is clearly different from the 25th Anniversary Edition) and the 4K Blu-ray of Gremlins be correct? Doesn't it make more sense that the 25th Anniversary Edition was modernised and the 4K Blu-rays of both films have the correct color grading?

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

Seriously, why is it so hard for people to just admit that they have their own preferences instead of parading around on an anti-revisionist high horse in the home video realm which itself is inherently revisionist? If you want something as close to the original prints as a digital presentation on disc can replicate, then ask for these studios and labels to work with film archives and include their work (high quality print scans) on the release. Scanning an OCN in 4K+ resolution itself is highly revisionist but you don't seem to have a problem with that. Neither do most people who collect UHDs; we're getting these films in a quality that far surpasses what was shown theatrically and if you're collecting these discs then I assume most have came to terms with that. If they do that and remain faithful to the original intentions/photochemical grade then that's like the best one could reasonably ask for as far as a main presentation goes. Problem is that using reference prints still isn't the standard for everybody, but even when reference prints are used and it doesn't suit certain people's taste, it's automatically "incorrect".

I always separate my preferences from the original look. I have found that I like the original look better in 90% of cases. You are being hyperbolic here, scans from the camera negative are not revisionist, they are closer in quality to special premiere prints. Restorations like The Hitcher prove that you can achieve authentic results this way.

[Legend293]

Originally Posted by RalphoR

I thought Lost World looked the best of the original trilogy....and by far. JP was meh and JPIII, well, I'm not sure what they did with that one (if anything). It definitely needs a major boost.

It's been awhile since I watched them but I remembered JP looking sharp and then JP2 looks alot softer but its been awhile and maybe im not remembering ir correctly

[Funcha]

Originally Posted by Pocketkid2

It's the transfer/master itself that's problematic. Mediocre-at-best black levels, lots of DNR, WCG/HDR color grading that feels like turning a knob to 11 instead of actually making the scene/colors look bright and "lifelike", etc

The CGI stands out like a sore thumb in most shots but there's only so much that can be done about that in 4K...

I am not yet fully convinced this release will have a new transfer, most likely it's the same one just with DV encode, which can't really fix the underlying issues. But I would really love to be proven wrong on this one, I would pay good money for a high quality, well graded, filmic transfer

Considering how amazing the second looked in comparison, I feel like the transfer on the first was probably a case of a recycled old 4K master that's not quite up to the standards we've come to expect.

[Geoff D]

Lost World looks delicious aside from the hefty black crush. If it looks 'soft' it's because of that typical Janusz Kaminski heavy filtration, the actual transfer itself is gorgeous.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I mean, it literally says "newly remastered" on the back. Universal don't usually do that unless it's a new transfer, like with Shaun of the Dead. That was another one with a DV/DA upgrade too, and dare I say involved more actual remastering work than what JP would need because it was originally finished to a 2K DI.

Fine, I'll f***ing buy it.

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Fine, I'll f***ing buy it.

Let's hope these are indeed new, proper 4K remasters of JP and JPIII (and the already existing great 4K version of the TLW, but if they can make it look better then bring it!), because if not then you'll have to...

[Ben_UK]

I’ve placed an order with Amazon USA (which I never do) because at the moment I don’t even know if this is going to be released in Europe or if it’s going to be an Amazon exclusive (unlikely?) and the fact it’s “limited” made me pull the trigger, more fool me perhaps.

I’ll be truly gutted if JP1 still looks like a bag of sh*t.

[Indiana Jones]

Originally Posted by Ben_UK

When does Amazon.com charge for pre-orders? Is it at the point of ordering or close to release date? Cheers.

Same as all the other Amazon’s, they take payment upon processing so like I said no harm in pre-ordering now, can always just cancel later.

[The Rider]

Does anyone here know anything about this restoration? The description brand new is interesting, although the previous 4K master was already 5 years old in 2023.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cw5sx_Iy..._web_copy_link

[The Rider]

Originally Posted by ghostofthepast

He has shown evidence before for other movies, and you chose to ignore it, never replying to this post he made:


Now coming back to you:


Have you actually seen the UHD of Amadeus in a properly calibrated TV? HDR to SDR caps should never be used to judge color, and they make the contrast of the image overall look much flatter. Everything loses nuance and becomes duller.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=cxVs0Kw22ho


So, what do you think of the original look of Blade Runner and The Last Emperor? Are you going to say that you know more about great-looking cinematography than Jordan Cronenweth and Vittorio Storaro?

His statements are completely generalized and he doesn't differentiate. He only ever criticizes the users who are upset about revisionist masters and forgets that there were usually major problems here. And it's completely ridiculous when he denies the teal and orange trend, there are more than enough examples that prove revisionism, for example the 2011 master of The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring.

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...=48916&i=4&l=0

According to him, the yellow in The Good, the Bad and the Ugly in the L'Immagine Ritrovata restoration was not the problem. So I'm really looking forward to the work of Arrow Video.

Do you know that the very pale Criterion Master of The Last Emperor was personally approved by Vittorio Storaro? Vittorio Storaro is unfortunately known for revisionism. The 3D master that was then approved by Storaro and Bertolucci had more vibrant colors again.

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...=31419&i=0&l=0

The LSP Medien 4K restoration by Turbine Medien and Arrow Video was then halfway between the pale Criterion master and the 3D master. What are your thoughts on this restoration?

To Amadeus, I'm in contact with Timo Wolters who does reviews and with well-made screenshots you can also say something about the color grading in SDR. Of course HDR has an effect, but it doesn't just change the whole color grading. I think that's an excuse that is made across the board with every criticism of a restoration. Why are there restorations that look beautiful in SDR screenshots and show so many nuances? According to your logic, this would not be possible.
It's nonsense when people claim that the green cast of some Studiocanal masters, such as the Rambo trilogy, is no longer present in HDR. This is precisely why Lionsgate is reworking the existing Studiocanal restorations, as there are problems here.

The issue existed long before HDR, for example in the Lowry Digital 4K restoration of The Terminator. There was also criticism of the teal and orange grading here, and some of it was justified. The German film restorer Torsten Kaiser from TLE Films clarified this at the time of the Blu-ray release in Europe. Yes, the Lowry Digital restoration comes closest to the 35 mm prints of Deluxe of all home entertainment masters. A comparison with the German Mawa DVD, which was based on a German theatrical print, was very revealing here. But what Kaiser also explained is that the cyan was used in a more differentiated way on the 35 mm prints, namely in the blue shading. The cyan on the Blu-ray, on the other hand, was applied to the entire image. I suspect that this is exactly the situation with Amadeus in the candlelight scenes.

Basically, there are some masters that are closer to the 35 mm prints but still have problems. Jurassic Park 3D is a typical example here, the color of the sky is simply not right and the finale should contain less red and more yellow for the golden look of the time. And this is exactly where Universal's big mistake lay. Instead of addressing the problems of the 3D master and working even more precisely, they went back to the completely wrong grading of the 2D Blu-ray and DVD.

[zzap64]

Looks like all 6 Jurassic Park/World movies are from brand new 4K remastered transfers. The Youtube channel 'In Search of Physical Media' stated Universal shared this information with him. But he warned these are limited editions so get your preorders in.
https://youtu.be/qRh2YlE6UuY
Starts at 44min.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by zzap64

'In Search of Physical Media'

[Kyle15]

Mike is back again and we're being shilled a Youtuber shill simultaneously. Giving!