Jurassic Park Collection 4K UHD (1993-2015)

[Prince_7]

These look like shit lol

[aladdin123]

Originally Posted by VickPS

Now that the "Remastered UHD" ship has sailed, I do kind of agree there is little point in voicing how we would have liked this release to be. Perhaps in a few years time we'll get what some of us have been requesting.. assuming physical media will still be a thing, and AI upscaling won't be the norm.

The UHD format isn't going away anytime soon, just like vinyl. And AI upscaling won't ever become the norm for what was shot on film, I'm sure of that. Ask me 10 years from now.

[KMFDMvsEnya]

Those AI shots are meh.

[VickPS]

Originally Posted by TravisTylerBlack

I think many care about this aspect more than they realize.

Personally, I regard grading as the single most important aspect of a home-video transfer.
Far, far more relevant than resolution, but also denoisers, filters.. a grade has the power to completely transform how a movie emotionally affects the viewer.
Arguably the case with Jurassic Park, a once horror film sparking controversies over PG-13 ratings and being regarded as:



Turning into the relatively fuzzy, bright, pinkish dinosaur family movie most people now associate the name with.

Originally Posted by Prince_7

These look like shit lol

"through a free online AI Upscaler"

They were simply intended to showcase the original grading in a "new, clean, sharp" modern container.
But in case this post is referring to the color grading itself, rather than the surrounding AI artifacts, I guess Universal might know its audience well afterall.

[Robert George]

Originally Posted by maverick22

What’s getting to me is that for the World Trilogy, all they did was add Atmos to the first one. That’s the only upgrade. Nice to have Atmos on that one, but why not add it to the other 2?!

I have not seen the 5th and 6th discs from the new set, but based on specs, I suspect these are simply reprints of the original releases. Jurassic World got a remaster for a Dolby Vision grade so I assume an Atmos track was added then.

[maverick22]

Originally Posted by Robert George

I have not seen the 5th and 6th discs from the new set, but based on specs, I suspect these are simply reprints of the original releases. Jurassic World got a remaster for a Dolby Vision grade so I assume an Atmos track was added then.

Really wish they would have released individuals of these. Don’t need 5 and 6 if they are the same.

Thanks!

[Kyle15]

We're posting ugly online machine upscaled screenshots now unironically? Jesus ain't coming out of his tomb any time soon!

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by TravisTylerBlack

Oh goodness. As someone who has worked in color timing these last 5-6 years, statements like this are always a bit disheartening to read. I understand grading doesn’t really register with a lot of people but we do pour our hearts (and countless days) into it. Film is a moving target, as you often say, but even so there is almost always an objective threshold in terms of general accuracy.

Geoff isn't saying color timing doesn't matter or that he doesn't see a difference, he's saying it doesn't ruin this master for him and looks okay. I'm sure he'd also throw in a point about home video always being revisionist and the important thing being your enjoyment of the result.

This goes back to the root back-and-forth here really, which is people who are so focused on their ideal idea of a JP disc and so emotionally attached to it that they can't be practical about this being a significant improvement over the current disc.

[VickPS]

Hopefully this further resize will help to disregard the entirely irrelevant "AI aspect", and allow to better focus on what can be considered relevant in a color grading showcase of.. color gradings.






Enough to move to a different topic, at least.

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

that they can't be practical about this being a significant improvement over the current disc.

I would agree, if the indeed significant magenta reduction seen in the Badlands section carried over the entire movie.
As it appears to be overall, I'd say this falls more into the negligible improvement category rather than the "significant" one. But we can agree to disagree.

[nico87]

Watching RESET_9999's video it's hard to be ecstatic, just moderately happy it's improved.
Maybe there will be a bigger surprise with JP3.
I'll keep the pre-order, at least I'll have the "best" version if we never get a new scan.

Truly feels like a consolation prize though.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by VickPS

Hopefully this further resize will help to disregard the entirely irrelevant "AI aspect", and allow to better focus on what can be considered relevant in a color grading showcase of.. color gradings.

We've already got 35mm examples in regards to what a remaster's color "could" or "should" look like. Feeding whatever images you are into an AI upscaler isn't adding any new dimension to the debate of what could or should be done. lol

[Telemachus]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

We're posting ugly online machine upscaled screenshots now unironically? Jesus ain't coming out of his tomb any time soon!

I like ugly machines

[MuffinMcFluffin]

Originally Posted by The Rider

I read somewhere that the CGI in Terminator 2: Judgment Day had a resolution of 1K and ILM increased the resolution for Jurassic Park, I think 2K would be possible here. Disney created a digital intermediate for Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs in 4K resolution back in the 90s.

"1993: Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs – First film to be entirely scanned to digital files, manipulated, and recorded back to film at 4K resolution. The restoration project was done entirely at 4K resolution and 10-bit color depth using the Cineon system to digitally remove dirt and scratches and restore faded colors."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_intermediate

In this demo video you can see how detailed the CGI was back then. Universal really did a lot to make these scenes look bad in home entertainment.

Jurassic Park - ILM Visual Effects | Original 35mm Presentation - YouTube

It's crazy to think the first film essentially only contains six minutes of CGI dinosaur footage!

[VickPS]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

We've already got 35mm examples in regards to what a remaster's color "could" or "should" look like. Feeding whatever images you are into an AI upscaler isn't adding any new dimension to the debate of what could or should be done. lol

Given the amount of examples I've seen from a significant portion of this Forum commonly mistaking Edge Enhancement for real detail, the AI pass was meant to prevent the BD samples, filled with EE, to overpower the softer 35mm samples shifting focus away from what matters.
Surely the 7680 x 4320 images weren't resized correctly for a proper comparison and the simple raw 35mm captures would have sufficed.

Won't be posting any more content though, don't really wish to delay any further the much needed second coming.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Bingo. I'm so tired of all the JP gatekeeping re: the original timing.

I believe just as many people are tired of the, already small, crowd keeping the Home Video industry alive gobbling up ancient and flawed masters like these, already available on VHS, LaserDisc, DVD, BD and two UHD, reducing incentives to do better and indirectly hampering others attempts to get a good looking version of this movie.
Good looking full stop, regardless of whether it's the "original timing".

Not sure how someone could expect everyone else to be okay with VFX shots, the arguably more important shots of a movie called Jurassic Park, looking the way the do on these UHD.. let alone being perfectly happy with the upgrade in virtue of a slightly more compact grain management and magenta reduced in one sequence.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Geoff isn't saying color timing doesn't matter or that he doesn't see a difference, he's saying it doesn't ruin this master for him and looks okay. I'm sure he'd also throw in a point about home video always being revisionist and the important thing being your enjoyment of the result.

This goes back to the root back-and-forth here really, which is people who are so focused on their ideal idea of a JP disc and so emotionally attached to it that they can't be practical about this being a significant improvement over the current disc.

Bingo. I'm so tired of all the JP gatekeeping re: the original timing.

[Cvalda]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

People will always keep ranting and raving and ranting and raving and ranting and raving about the colour, how it's not right blah blah, but I don't fookin care. I was happy enough with the colour on the first UHD and that they've dialled out some magenta here and there on the new UHD is just a bonus.

Now if only you could apply this magnanimous attitude to the Blade Runner 4K

[Zack83]

Could this release have been better? Sure. There is still improvement to my eyes. Some of the nicer improvements is in the sound. I am not watching with anything particularly special (Yamaha RX-A4A in a 5.1.2 setup), but there is noticeable improvement comparing to the old UHD. Not that the old one sounded bad at all, but there is more depth and clarity to my ears. I do not think I have better technical terms to describe the improvements that I hear. The "tribal" drumbeats in the opening, the raptor's squeal as the workers approach its crate and in other scenes, the raptors eating the bull at feeding, the t-rex stomping. I find that all of those really pop and surround me more that on the previous UHD. The bass improvement is noticeable to me.

That might not be enough for some (many?) to repurchase at $60. Understandable. I didn't own any copies of 2 or 3, so this wasn't such stretch for me, though I do not care much for the sequels.

[JohnCarpenterFan]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I think people are getting too in the weeds about what JP should look like or what JP deserves to look like and disregarding nuance. No one is saying this is a new 4k OCN scan referencing a print, no one is saying that happening wouldn't be a glorious day in home video history. The relevant question is simply how big an improvement it is over the previous UHD, and whether that's worth the money.

"This looks like a decent upgrade"... "well it's not a new scan! JP deserves a new scan!!!"... like yeah, we know. Everyone wants that.

The complaints I'm seeing on here and elsewhere are to do with the grade, not the scan. A few here (including myself) have recently explained that a new scan should not be necessary in order to create a grade that is at least in the same ballpark as the theatrical, or even the imperfect Spielberg-approved 3D grade which is still perfectly enjoyable and retains the "feel" of the prints even if there are discrepancies (how's that for nuance?)

Is it really asking too much for a film that has received countless problematic releases over the years to finally be done with care and some reverence?

I can see the improvements, but I highly disagree that it's some big upgrade in most of those comparisons. I've seen plenty of prints over the years and they outclass the old Blu-ray and similar-looking UHD when it comes to color by a considerable margin. Some adjustments here and there is not going to bring back the splendor that I'm accustomed to seeing since 35mm is mainly how I've experienced this film.

I'm sure there's plenty of people that have never seen how good this film can look and also those who can't remember what it looked like over three decades ago. It's those people who I'm disappointed for the most, since I'm fine with the 3D Blu-ray and catching a 35mm screening until it finally gets the care and attention it deserves. A two-man show like Celluloid Dreams can locate prints in archives for obscure genre films and produce film-like and faithful-looking grades, yet a massive studio can't do the same for one of their biggest and most marketable films when we know they are in possession of archival prints which blow away the home video releases?

I'm glad some are happy with the improvements, and if this set selling well increases the change of a proper remaster instead of a "reformat" or whatever this upgrade was described as, then I hope it sells just like those incomplete UHD box sets for franchises which were inevitably going to be succeeded by more complete sets.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

The complaints I'm seeing on here and elsewhere are to do with the grade, not the scan. A few here (including myself) have recently explained that a new scan should not be necessary in order to create a grade that is at least in the same ballpark as the theatrical, or even the imperfect Spielberg-approved 3D grade which is still perfectly enjoyable and retains the "feel" of the prints even if there are discrepancies (how's that for nuance?)

Is it really asking too much for a film that has received countless problematic releases over the years to finally be done with care and some reverence?

I can see the improvements, but I highly disagree that it's some big upgrade in most of those comparisons. I've seen plenty of prints over the years and they outclass the old Blu-ray and similar-looking UHD when it comes to color by a considerable margin. Some adjustments here and there is not going to bring back the splendor that I'm accustomed to seeing since 35mm is mainly how I've experienced this film.

I'm sure there's plenty of people that have never seen how good this film can look and also those who can't remember what it looked like over three decades ago. It's those people who I'm disappointed for the most, since I'm fine with the 3D Blu-ray and catching a 35mm screening until it finally gets the care and attention it deserves. A two-man show like Celluloid Dreams can locate prints in archives for obscure genre films and produce film-like and faithful-looking grades, yet a massive studio can't do the same for one of their biggest and most marketable films when we know they are in possession of archival prints which blow away the home video releases?

I'm glad some are happy with the improvements, and if this set selling well increases the change of a proper remaster instead of a "reformat" or whatever this upgrade was described as, then I hope it sells just like those incomplete UHD box sets for franchises which were inevitably going to be succeeded by more complete sets.

We don't always see eye to eye, yadda yadda, but right now? I got you.

[batman2000]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

We don't always see eye to eye, yadda yadda, but right now? I got you.

So this remaster sucks?