Jurassic Park Collection 4K UHD (1993-2015)

[Symus35]

This is far from normal. Universal should be made aware of this ans provide a new disc.

[spiltmilk]

So are the US and European discs the same? Or do they have different language options (and possibly encodes)?

[Ben_UK]

I doubt I’ll even be getting the JPIII disc out of its spindle.

I appreciate it sucks though for those that are fans of the film.

[Jedihunter]

Originally Posted by steel_breeze

Halloween II says hello.

Halloween 2 wasnt as long and wasnt as noticeable compared to this.

[Jedihunter]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yes but now I'm wondering whether the people with the Euro set who said there's no pixelation are watching in Dobly as well? I mean, I'm happy that the FEL fixes it in either case but when I get my set today the first thing I'll check is JPIII in HDR10.

Its nice that its not as much of an issue with DV. But this is inexcusable for not only how high of a bitrate the film has. But more importantly the fact that the previous disc didnt feature this issue at all. They shouldn't have to rely on DV to fix the issue. Universal needs to make it right as this is a massive error.

[LMFAObros]

Is the first one worth the upgrade?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Jedihunter

Its nice that its not as much of an issue with DV. But this is inexcusable for not only how high of a bitrate the film has. But more importantly the fact that the previous disc didnt feature this issue at all. They shouldn't have to rely on DV to fix the issue. Universal needs to make it right as this is a massive error.

It's as good an indicator as any that bitrate bitrate bitrate is no guarantee of competent compression. And yes, the DV shouldn't be used to cover this up, it proves once again that they don't QC the base layers when doing these.

[trekky76]

Originally Posted by spiltmilk

So are the US and European discs the same? Or do they have different language options (and possibly encodes)?

No. Universal almost always does a separate disc for NA and EU. The encodes are the same. However, I did get the Nordic steel today and all discs have the SDS logo instead of the European logos suggesting all the discs are the same as the US ones.

[spiltmilk]

Originally Posted by trekky76

No. Universal almost always does a separate disc for NA and EU. The encodes are the same. However, I did get the Nordic steel today and all discs have the SDS logo instead of the European logos suggesting all the discs are the same as the US ones.

So... no, they're not exactly the same discs, but they have the same encodes, or yes, they are exactly the same discs? Not sure I understood what you meant.

[trekky76]

Originally Posted by spiltmilk

So... no, they're not exactly the same discs, but they have the same encodes, or yes, they are exactly the same discs? Not sure I understood what you meant.

Encodes are always the same. I don't have the US discs to compare but in the past it's always been like that.

Would also be less confusion if the site database didn't have multiple country listings. I don't care if SFI is the distributor here when both the steel and the discs are exactly the same all over EU.

[Symus35]

Since a few, in France, Universal discs are distributed by ESC . The discs arts are the same as the old master. ( Kinda sucks i liked the new artworks on us discs )

Disc content vary a little regarding langages, but vidéo encode should likely be the same. Ill be comparing later today since i have both us and fr discs.

[jess1581]

Originally Posted by Jedihunter

Halloween 2 wasnt as long and wasnt as noticeable compared to this.

Not as noticeable? Her boobies went berzerk!

[samuelkhan999]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

JP (1993)

Old disc:


New disc:

Just received the UK/EU 4k disc. MaxCLL/MaxFall is 1000/96. TLW and JP3 data matches the UK/EU discs.

[sleeman]

Originally Posted by LMFAObros

Is the first one worth the upgrade?

Yes.

[samuelkhan999]

Originally Posted by spiltmilk

So... no, they're not exactly the same discs, but they have the same encodes, or yes, they are exactly the same discs? Not sure I understood what you meant.

Length: 1:58:59.465 (h:m:s.ms)
Size: 78,339,336,192 bytes
Total Bitrate: 87.78 Mbps
VIDEO:
MPEG-H HEVC Video 69545 kbps 2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / 1000nits / HDR10+ v1 Profile B / BT.2020
* MPEG-H HEVC Video 6831 kbps (8.94%) 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / 1000nits / Dolby Vision FEL / BT.2020
AUDIO:
Dolby TrueHD/Atmos Audio English 4258 kbps 7.1+11 objects / 48 kHz / 3810 kbps / 24-bit (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps)
Dolby Digital Plus Audio French 768 kbps 7.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps ( Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps))
Dolby Digital Audio Thai 640 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps
SUBTITLES:
Presentation Graphics English, French, Thai, Chinese, English, French, English, French, English, French, Thai

Source: https://4k-ultra-hd.fr/film/1917

Originally Posted by grazina31

Please find below the specs for both the US and the UK/AU/Spain discs.
The US disc has marginally higher bitrate for the video bitrate(including the Dolby Vision metadata). I would say this is a clear case of best price wins.

US
PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00040.MPLS
Length: 1:58:59.465 (h:m:s.ms)
Size: 79,140,501,504 bytes
Total Bitrate: 88.68 Mbps

(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-H HEVC Video 70109 kbps 2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / 1000nits / HDR10+ v1 Profile B / BT.2020
* MPEG-H HEVC Video 7272 kbps (9.40%) 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / 1000nits / Dolby Vision FEL / BT.2020

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby TrueHD/Atmos Audio English 4258 kbps 7.1-Atmos / 48 kHz / 3810 kbps / 24-bit (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps)
Dolby Digital Plus Audio Spanish 768 kbps 7.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps ( Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps))
Dolby Digital Plus Audio French 768 kbps 7.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps ( Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps))
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 24.866 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 21.089 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 22.453 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 0.986 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 1.106 kbps

UK/AU/Spain
PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00801.MPLS
Length: 1:58:59.465 (h:m:s.ms)
Size: 77,653,008,384 bytes
Total Bitrate: 87.01 Mbps

(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-H HEVC Video 69545 kbps 2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 10 bits / HDR10 / BT.2020
* MPEG-H HEVC Video 6831 kbps 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 10 bits / Dolby Vision / BT.2020

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby TrueHD/Atmos Audio English 4258 kbps 7.1 / 48 kHz / 3810 kbps / 24-bit (AC3 Embedded: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps / DN -27dB)
Dolby Digital Plus Audio Spanish 768 kbps 7.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / DN -27dB (AC3 Embedded: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps / DN -27dB)
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -27dB
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -27dB

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 25.259 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 21.226 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 66.425 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 62.421 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 63.591 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 58.015 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 0.086 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 1.054 kbps

This is the bdinfo for 1917 4k from France vs US vs UK/Spain/Australia. There is a slight difference with the bitrate and language options. Still all the encodes are the same. I think the difference in the encodes will be that French subs in 1917 will be burnt in on the US/NA copies and player generated in elsewhere 4k releases.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW

You do have to be cautious when judging colors by 35mm release print scans. Most scans out there were not remotely carefully color-calibrated and many set to a non-theatrical projection white point and for stuff before 1983/1982 many are from red faded prints and the re-grading of the scans was just but whatever seemed sensible to the pare particular person doing it and also some release prints are outliers and timed weirdly so there is always a chance of that. Many earlier scans are radically far off. From what I've seen only a tiny faction are really close at all and a bare few really, really close, that said it can still be useful and from a few scans extremely useful.

I agree with all of the issues around such. I didn't meant to insinuate that's how it looked back in the day. I almost got the vibes that the scan was color corrected using the DVD as some basis. Either way, I'll take the UHD of Raiders by a mile over every other way I've seen it at home.

[iamsometal]

Finally watched The Lost World steelbook last night and had a bad pixelization and freeze right at the beginning, where the mom screams and it transitions to Ian yawning in front of the sign in the subway. Anyone else have this occur? Playback was on the Panasonic UB-420. I was able to stop and resume at the same spot then the disc played without issue for the remainder.

Also, what an underwhelming transfer. JP1 is an absolute wealth of rich detail and color, especially when compared to TLW. I realize a lot of the soft shots are baked in to the original cinematography, but man did it just feel like a slog getting through this one.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW

It's hard to really recall but I don't seem to recall coming out of theater thinking JPIII looked crummy.

I recall it well because on the second time I saw it I then knew it wasn't an error the first time I saw it.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by samuelkhan999

I just got delivered the uk 4k trilogy. The ion is there in HDR but all is good in DV.

HDR10. DV is also HDR.

Originally Posted by Jedihunter

Universal needs to make it right as this is a massive error.

It's a glitch, one that doesn't even show up on a lot of people's displays. A "massive error" is something like encoding an entire movie in lossy DTS-HR instead of DTS-MA, which Universal still hasn't fixed on a couple of their 4K titles.

Look, I'm not saying it's fine but it's not something that renders the movie unplayable or occurs throughout. It glitches then it's gone. Irritating? Yes. A showstopper? No.

[spiltmilk]

Originally Posted by samuelkhan999

This is the bdinfo for 1917 4k from France vs US vs UK/Spain/Australia. There is a slight difference with the bitrate and language options. Still all the encodes are the same. I think the difference in the encodes will be that French subs in 1917 will be burnt in on the US/NA copies and player generated in elsewhere 4k releases.

Thanks, though I'm not sure how this relates to the Jurassic Park discs in question.

But what has been confirmed so far is that the encoding problems without DV (on JPIII) are the same on all discs, and that the Nordic discs are likely exactly the same as the US discs.

The included language tracks are usually a giveaway if the disc content is the same for all regions even though the print on the discs may vary, so that's easy to check by those that have the discs in hand.