Kino Lorber Studio Classics

[apricissimus]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I never look at 4K releases as "double-dips" the same way I didn't look at a Blu-ray as a double-dip of a DVD, or a DVD a double-dip of a VHS, and so forth. I mean, should companies just not release 4K titles? Should 4K titles only be those that never got Blu-ray releases? It's a nonsensical stance to take.

I've come to think that 4K/UHD is such a slight and marginal improvement over a well done 1080p blu ray that it really is mostly a waste of time, effort, and money to produce them when there are so many movies that could benefit from a much bigger improvement being upgraded from DVD or VHS.

This point of view doesn't take into account what will actually sell, of course. But I'm not an owner of a consumer media label, so...

[SeanJoyce]

Originally Posted by Driver78

Well, you picked the one film that probably wouldn’t turn many heads on 4K so your attempt to shut me down failed miserably. Hey, at least you tried, right?

Oh that's the ONE film, eh? So now your argument is "4k is like seeing a film for the first time...unless it's Scarface '32"?

In this very thread, didn't The Boogens turn heads in the opposite direction? Can we shift the goalposts again to include that one too?

[Guernica78]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

I mean, should companies just not release 4K titles? Should 4K titles only be those that never got Blu-ray releases? It's a nonsensical stance to take.

I love 4K it’s just expensive that’s all. I only have sommuchnto spend and even non 4k releases can be pricey. If you buy physical media your basically a hobbies who doesn’t just buy one release so can write off an expensive one of product. We are building a library/collection otherwise we wouldn’t be on here chatting. Sometimes I just can’t afford the 4k

[Guernica78]

Originally Posted by apricissimus

I've come to think that 4K/UHD such a slight and marginal improvement over a well done 1080p blu ray that is really is mostly a waste of time, effort, and money to produce them when there are so many movies that could benefit from a much bigger improvement being upgraded from DVD or VHS.

This point of view doesn't take into account what will actually sell, of course. But I'm not an owner of a consumer media label, so...

I like 4k but I’m starting to think along the lines thst often it’s just not worth the extra price for so little improvement. They really neeed to bring the price down. It’s in everyone’s interest if more people get into 4k. Part of me regrets getting a player. Mainly because I often can’t justify buying the 4k release. Hopefully things improve and prices come down

[Driver78]

Originally Posted by SeanJoyce

Oh that's the ONE film, eh? So now your argument is "4k is like seeing a film for the first time...unless it's Scarface '32"?

In this very thread, didn't The Boogens turn heads in the opposite direction? Can we shift the goalposts again to include that one too?

Lol. Classic keyboard warrior BS. You contribute nothing to this site. Go troll somewhere else

[SeanJoyce]

Originally Posted by Driver78

Lol. Classic keyboard warrior BS. You contribute nothing to this site. Go troll somewhere else

You made a claim, which at its core is all 4k>Blu-ray, that is demonstrably false. This is the lashing out of somebody unable to accept defeat graciously. If you need more examples where Blu-rays are either superior or, at worst, equal to their 4k counterpart, you can find them at this forum or elsewhere via a simple Google search.

As for "my contributions", I have regularly posted mini-reviews of under-the-radar Kino titles in this thread for nearly a decade, in addition to the handful of directors/actors threads on the main board. Please let me know if you'd like links to them. What have you done in your brief tenure here, other than cry about "muh 4ks"?

[javy]

I don't have a 4K setup. I'm good with Blu-ray. What is aggravating is when new restorations aren't put on BD and are exclusive to UHD. Films such as Le Samourai, Days of Heaven, Wings of Desire, Three Colors Trilogy, Dirty Harry, and all the Universal Hitchcock films. These are some of my favorite movies and this situation causes me to consider biting the bullet and getting a 4K setup. BUT, I read so many complaints about the format that it seems like so much of a headache that I'd rather just settle with what I already have.

[Driver78]

Originally Posted by SeanJoyce

You made a claim, which at its core is all 4k>Blu-ray, that is demonstrably false. This is the lashing out of somebody unable to accept defeat graciously. If you need more examples where Blu-rays are either superior or, at worst, equal to their 4k counterpart, you can find them at this forum or elsewhere via a simple Google search.

As for "my contributions", I have regularly posted mini-reviews of under-the-radar Kino titles in this thread for nearly a decade, in addition to the handful of directors/actors threads on the main board. Please let me know if you'd like links to them. What have you done in your brief tenure here, other than cry about "muh 4ks"?

Been here since 2012.

And now I get where your aggression comes from. You’re anti 4K. You fear having to update your collection again so you make up in your mind that 4K is pointless to convince yourself not to give in. It’s cool, dude, but 4K is better. That is not debatable. Have a nice day

[trentdiesel]

Originally Posted by SeanJoyce

You made a claim, which at its core is all 4k>Blu-ray, that is demonstrably false. This is the lashing out of somebody unable to accept defeat graciously. If you need more examples where Blu-rays are either superior or, at worst, equal to their 4k counterpart, you can find them at this forum or elsewhere via a simple Google search.

As for "my contributions", I have regularly posted mini-reviews of under-the-radar Kino titles in this thread for nearly a decade, in addition to the handful of directors/actors threads on the main board. Please let me know if you'd like links to them. What have you done in your brief tenure here, other than cry about "muh 4ks"?

I've always appreciated when you contribute thoughts and opinions on films, not so much when you sound like Bates Motel at his worst. You arent him under another name are you? But then again I am just one of the people who come out of the woodwork to wag my finger that Cinema was mentioning, so what do I know

[Driver78]

Originally Posted by Driver78 .is CLOWN

He's also surprised that I'm stalking him. He's already pissed everyone off.

Take a month off from the forum. Take off wh ore and lose virginity.

Take a month off from creating 12 accounts a day. That’s really sad. What are you hoping to accomplish by stalking me? I’ll let you in on a little secret, loser. You’re accomplishing NOTHING. I’m guessing you spend so much time in that basement because you can’t function in the outside world. Sad

[SeanJoyce]

Originally Posted by Driver78

Been here since 2012.

That makes your time here even more ignominious.

[Show spoiler]And now I get where your aggression comes from. You’re anti 4K. You fear having to update your collection again so you make up in your mind that 4K is pointless to convince yourself not to give in. It’s cool, dude, but 4K is better. That is not debatable. Have a nice day

I own quite a few 4ks, and have said elsewhere that there's definitely a place for the format. Is this really your pivot after getting embarrassed on your previous point?

[cloudnine]

Originally Posted by Driver78

That’s accurate. They’re one of the handful of members here who just come out of the woodwork to wag fingers. Absolutely zero contribution. Why even bother signing up?

Has anyone ever noticed that the people that incessively post the most on these threads usually have the most problems with other users? It can't be coincidence that Driver is one of the most controversial posters.

[Driver78]

Originally Posted by cloudnine

Has anyone ever noticed that the people that incessively post the most on these threads usually have the most problems with other users? It can't be coincidence that Driver is one of the most controversial posters.

Controversial how? Do I harass people? Do I hurl insults? Am I “controversial” because I like to participate more than just once a month? That would be silly

[goathead1]

Originally Posted by Kino Lorber Insider

We plan to release it on 4K next year.

Right now, we needed it for this set.

Its probably too early to tell but is there any chance of acquiring the Greek VHS version an extra?

[Kino Lorber Insider]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

Can we expect a 4K Death Wish set next year, at least for the first three?

Death Wish II will be released on 4K, we may look into releasing the first three as a set.

[Kino Lorber Insider]

Originally Posted by BarnDoor

So for those wandering, there's just 3 titles left to announce in the MGM deal - 2 60s, 1 70s. All are 4K UHD, and all were previously released on Blu by the studio and/or another label.

No, DWII was added later. We still have 2 1960s and 2 1970s.

[BigSleepy]

Need a Death Wish 4-5 4k combo pack. I realize no one will agree with me.

[Driver78]

Mr. Insider, are you able to provide an update for Johnny Handsome?

[sojrner]

Originally Posted by Guernica78

I like 4k but I’m starting to think along the lines thst often it’s just not worth the extra price for so little improvement. They really neeed to bring the price down. It’s in everyone’s interest if more people get into 4k. Part of me regrets getting a player. Mainly because I often can’t justify buying the 4k release. Hopefully things improve and prices come down

I jumped into DVD when the original release of The Matrix hit at $14.99. While I had VHS titles and had friends with laserdisc prior to that, it was that (relatively) low entry price that got me in, so I understand the logic you're presenting. $14.99 was still higher than impulse-buy like it is today. Inflation puts it about $29.50 now, which is about what most vanilla releases go for, so we may need to recalibrate how we see things. Dunno...

Relatively, that's still a low price. Boutique/limited/fancy releases with higher prices notwithstanding, things are not that expensive for this premium niche.

[Tarma]

For what it's worth, my take on the blu ray / 4k / DVD discussion - I think if you took a genuine look at the wider home entertainment marketplace most people do not the amount of consideration into their set-up as a lot of people on this forum will.

They'll go into Best-Buy (or wherever) and they'll mainly buy on price - the brand chosen may play a role - but I would wager that for the most part these consumers will be price driven. They won't know what OLED is, mini-LED or what ever, and probably won't care all that much either - they just want a decent TV that won't break their bank / budget.

These are the people who wouldn't really be able to tell you if they're watching a DVD or blu ray if blind tested on a disc. These people aren't going to pay the premium for 4K as they won't see the value in it, nor will they have the right set-up to get the best out of the format - assuming they even have a device that can play back UHDs.

As to whether a 4K is really worth the extra cash - I think it depends on two things - your set up and therefore the quality of the equipment used; and the mastering of the disc itself.

Some previously mentioned LD - I've been into LD since the mid-90s when the format was still current, so I'm not new to it. Disc mastering plays a huge role in how good these discs look, especially when using modern TVs. I've got a very expensive set-up, using a Hi-Vision LD player - now, with the right disc, there are some films that are better than their DVD counterparts for picture quality. But only some.
I've never seen an LD look better than a blu ray, and I don't think I could take anyone seriously who believes this is the case.

Generally, all the blu rays I've upgraded to, the picture is noticeably better than the DVD. Again, very few instances where the DVD holds up well enough to say it wasn't worth the upgrade. And again we're using high end kit to compare these discs with.

With 4K, I don't generally see the night and day difference between the 4K and the blu ray, and the mastering will play a role in that. The differences may be even less noticeable on lower end kit.

A good test for me will be when the 4K of Death Wish 3 comes out. I've got the Scorpion blu ray and it looks really good, so I'll be interested to see whether the 4K transfer is that much superior. If it isn't, I certainly wouldn't bother getting a 4K of DW4, as that too has a good transfer.

TLDR; your mileage may vary, but playback quality will depend very much on the kit used and the mastering of the disc.