i guess Sony is trying to hammer it home...$399.00 PLAYSTATION 3

[phranctoast]

you paid $200 bucks for the memory card readers, 2x usb ports, and hardware backwards compatability... eh, and to be the coolest person on your block with the only bd player

I do feel rather cool..thank you!

This version doesnt at least have Software emulation to replicate the Backward compatibility?

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by phranctoast

I do feel rather cool..thank you!

This version doesnt at least have Software emulation to replicate the Backward compatibility?

i very much doubt that..i in fact . I think the software emulation is the same as the 80 GB...., ONE OF THE BIG COST OF THE PLAYSTATION 3 IN ITS BREAKDOWN ON A PART BY PART BASIS WOULD BE THE COST IN HARDDRIVES..sony does not make HARDDRIVES they get charged a premium for them that is PROB. in my experience why they have been eliminating SKU's and bringing in new ones the cost is cheaper because the HARDDRIVE's are bought in bulk but since SONY does not have a production line for the production of HARDDRIVE they have to buy them off of someone else...

example (seagate)..
by the way . the playstation 3 60 GB used SEAGATE HardDrives

[WickyWoo]

i very much doubt that..i in fact . I think the software emulation is the same as the 80 GB...., ONE OF THE BIG COST OF THE PLAYSTATION 3 IN ITS BREAKDOWN ON A PART BY PART BASIS WOULD BE THE COST IN HARDDRIVES..sony does not make HARDDRIVES they get charged a premium for them

The cost difference between the 40 and the 80 GB HDs is probably about $5-10 in the quanity they're buying them

Seriously, it's a very llittle factor.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

The cost difference between the 40 and the 80 GB HDs is probably about $5-10 in the quanity they're buying them

Seriously, it's a very llittle factor.

FOR THE CONSUMER YES for over the counter purchase..take the 20 GB harddrive for the xbox360 as a great example. both MICROSOFT and SONY has to pay a premium on the HARDDRIVES. the production lines for HARDDRIVES CHANGE..HOW MANY COMPANIES ARE MAKEING LESS THAN 120 GB HARDDRIVES now for their production line's and how many production lines do they have open for those lesser GB HARDDRIVES...what they produced last year the HARDDRIVE production lines for like example maxtor, or WD may have reduced their lines for those lesser GB harddrives that the new LARGER GB drives are set with more production lines open than the lesser GB production lines because most of the time they are switched over to the larger GB production HARDDRIVE. both SONY and Microsoft requesting those lesser GB drives for production in large quantity's is a lesser cost you are right but its still more

of a premium for them because they don't make them. AND THE Company that makes those drives will charge them more for the lesser GB because of the operating cost in produceing those lesser GB drives compared to their larger GB drives that are currently their production standard for most if not all their PRODUCTION LINES.

trust me on this one i work in the PARTS AND COMPONENT INSERP. TYPE of IT industry been in the industry for over 12 an a half years. its cheaper for the consumer to upgrade their OWN HARDDRIVE than it is for Microsoft and SONY to ship HARDDRIVES IN THEIR SYSTEMS.THEY HAVE TO HUNT DOWN DEALS ON THE drives.

[BeenThereDoneThat]

YO!
Trust ME on this one! I worked for THE major HDD manfacturer in the US until recently. I was on the integration team for OEMs, including these game console groups. Microsoft and Sony both hammer huge price discounts on their suppliers for hard drives and manufacturing the smaller capacity units is all a matter of DEstroking (reducing track count) the current disk densities; so HEY asshat, shut you pie hole and quit looking like an idiot.

Luckily we caught you before you got your foot stuck in your mouth.

The HDD capacities you see in these consoles are cost optimized configurations from a design standpoint and not the driving force behind current console platform pricing. You'd be shocked how cheap these guys are getting their HDD's for; just look at how inexpensive drives are priced RETAIL at your local store when they go on sale, then think LESS. Drives are a commodity and as far as current PS3 pricing, it's all about NRE bro, N R E and recouping the front end costs.

The price difference between software emulated models (40 GB versus 80 GB) has ALL to do with marketing and NRE and very little to do with the COST of the HDDs.

Originally Posted by joeorc

FOR THE CONSUMER YES for over the counter purchase..take the 20 GB harddrive for the xbox360 as a great example. both MICROSOFT and SONY has to pay a premium on the HARDDRIVES. the production lines for HARDDRIVES CHANGE..HOW MANY COMPANIES ARE MAKEING LESS THAN 120 GB HARDDRIVES now for their production line's and how many production lines do they have open for those lesser GB HARDDRIVES...what they produced last year the HARDDRIVE production lines for like example maxtor, or WD may have reduced their lines for those lesser GB harddrives that the new LARGER GB drives are set with more production lines open than the lesser GB production lines because most of the time they are switched over to the larger GB production HARDDRIVE. both SONY and Microsoft requesting those lesser GB drives for production in large quantity's is a lesser cost you are right but its still more

of a premium for them because they don't make them. AND THE Company that makes those drives will charge them more for the lesser GB because of the operating cost in produceing those lesser GB drives compared to their larger GB drives that are currently their production standard for most if not all their PRODUCTION LINES.

trust me on this one i work in the PARTS AND COMPONENT INSERP. TYPE of IT industry been in the industry for over 12 an a half years. its cheaper for the consumer to upgrade their OWN HARDDRIVE than it is for Microsoft and SONY to ship HARDDRIVES IN THEIR SYSTEMS.THEY HAVE TO HUNT DOWN DEALS ON THE drives.

[Shin-Ra]

Originally Posted by BeenThereDoneThat

so HEY asshat, shut you pie hole and quit looking like an idiot.

Luckily we caught you before you got your foot stuck in your mouth.

Not a good way to start if you want to be here for any length of time. Please play nice.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by BeenThereDoneThat

so HEY asshat, shut you pie hole and quit looking like an idiot.

Don't be such a rude bastard when you speak to people, we don't tolerate that here.

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by BeenThereDoneThat

YO!
Trust ME on this one! I worked for THE major HDD manfacturer in the US until recently. I was on the integration team for OEMs, including these game console groups. Microsoft and Sony both hammer huge price discounts on their suppliers for hard drives and manufacturing the smaller capacity units is all a matter of DEstroking (reducing track count) the current disk densities; so HEY asshat, shut you pie hole and quit looking like an idiot.

Luckily we caught you before you got your foot stuck in your mouth.

The HDD capacities you see in these consoles are cost optimized configurations from a design standpoint and not the driving force behind current console platform pricing. You'd be shocked how cheap these guys are getting their HDD's for; just look at how inexpensive drives are priced RETAIL at your local store when they go on sale, then think LESS. Drives are a commodity and as far as current PS3 pricing, it's all about NRE bro, N R E and recouping the front end costs.

The price difference between software emulated models (40 GB versus 80 GB) has ALL to do with marketing and NRE and very little to do with the COST of the HDDs.

Well I happen to agree with you this is a marketing differentiator and not a real cost saving on drives..but no need to attack like that. Especially since the rest of your post is intelligent enough.

[BeenThereDoneThat]

OK.
Fair enough.
Maybe I went a little over the top and I apologize.

(which part did it tho, the arsehat, the pie-hole or the idiot reference...?...just kidding)

Everybody reaches a point when participating in forum/blog circles and unfortunately I reached it today; after reading utter nonsense from a self proclaimed industry insider I just went gonzo and called it like I saw it.
Sorry it just chaps my hide...

Won't happen again.

[joeorc]

[QUOTE=BeenThereDoneThat;255987]YO!
Trust ME on this one! I worked for THE major HDD manfacturer in the US until recently. I was on the integration team for OEMs, including these game console groups. Microsoft and Sony both hammer huge price discounts on their suppliers for hard drives and manufacturing the smaller capacity units is all a matter of DEstroking (reducing track count) the current disk densities; so HEY asshat, shut you pie hole and quit looking like an idiot.

Luckily we caught you before you got your foot stuck in your mouth.

JOEORC'S RESPONSE: A little 3rd person humor here

easy there sparky first let me respond in kind...how much did Microsoft charge the consumer for a 20 gig sata 2.5 inch laptop harddrive in a external case....what's that $100.00 sparkey...so like i said they may get the drive at a reduced cost i never said they did not but they still have to pay a premium. to the companies that do make them and they pass the saveings along over to the consumer. that's right you need to try not to look so much like a @ss clown. and i do indeed know about DEstroking...

The advantages of higher densities include lower drive prices and better overall durability, Prices go down because a huge 120GB drive can be made with just two platters instead of three or more, which means fewer parts in the drive. Fewer moving parts means fewer things that can go wrong inside the drive, which means the drives should last longer.

Seagate for example could drop the capacity of a 60GB platter to 40GB through a technical process it called destroking. Why demote a 60GB platter to 40GB? "Because PC makers have certain price points they want to hit," and smaller hard drive sizes are another way to differentiate products.

but it also means if you do not make the D@mn Drives you have to go with what ever price they choose. yes you could go some where else. or haggle.but even Sony and Microsoft has to work within the priceing structure of what ever price they get for OEM drives.

so i am glad we had this little talk sparky...

o'l and maybe i did not explain what Destroking a platter is to those that do not know what it is.:

short-stroking a drive reduces the distance the actuator must move to access the data and thus improves the disc seek time. of course such an approach greatly reduces effective disc capacity,escalating the cost/GB of the DRIVE.
FOR EXAMPLE A 10K-RPM 146 GB drive short-stroked to a yield of 73GB CAPACITY COSTS SIGINIFICANTLY MORE PER GB THAN A 10K-RPM 73 GB drive.

did you fail to mention that Destroking increases the cost per GB of the drive if you do Destroking to a HIGHER CAPACITY HardDrive

[mikesoba]

I have absolutely no idea about the features for any of the ps3.

Would someone be kind enough to let me know if the newer models will have any additional features beyond what is available for the current 80?

I'm considering a pruchase, but don't wnat to be left in the cold with a model lacking newer features.

Thanks.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by mikesoba

I have absolutely no idea about the features for any of the ps3.

Would someone be kind enough to let me know if the newer models will have any additional features beyond what is available for the current 80?

I'm considering a pruchase, but don't wnat to be left in the cold with a model lacking newer features.

Thanks.

currently the 60 GB and 80GB both have the same functionality except the 60GB has a lower harddrive size but that realy is not much of a problem because the system's harddrive can be upgraded by the consumer without breaking their Wnty.

now the main thing is we do not know what the 40 GB playstation 3 has or does not have compared to the other 2 playstation 3 systems. but in average they would be around the same functionality.

There is some "RUMOR" THAT "BACKWARD COMPATABILITY " with PLAYSTATION 2 and PLAYSTATION 1 games on this new 40 GB playstation 3 system the rumor is

"the backward compatability function" has been completely removed and it will not play playstation 1, playstation 2 software and only playstation 3 software is able to play ON THIS NEW PLAYSTATION 3 40 GB sku.

Which for ME in my OPINION with the past SUPPORT that Sony has PUT on every playstation system that does not make sense. at all here is why.

since even now playstation 2 has new released software is still being made and put on the market why eliminate software that can be sold and still played on the new playstation when that means more sales of software for SONY and their developers SINCE THE PLAYSTATION 2 HAS SOLD 120,000,000
INSTALL BASE..now would that be smart to keep the playstation 3 compatable not only can they sell that new release to the current playstation 2 user but also the current playstation 3 user also..two platforms compared to one.

It does not make sense. the playstation 3's OPTICAL DRIVE STILL IS BACKWARED COMPATABLE WITH CD, and DVD it makes no sense what so ever to remove the ability of the playstation 3 to play playstation 2 and playstation 1 software when they can keep selling that playstation 2 software to playstation 3 owners. its all about selling that software. its more money for SONY. some playstation 3 users buy new and old playstation 2 games for their playstation 3.

from a money makeing idea it makes no sense to cut off that stream of income. but we will see stranger things have happened..

[Musashi]

I can all but guarentee that the 40GB PS3 will have partial backwards compatibility with PS1/2 via software emulation.

I've been hearing that there won't be too many more BC updates for awhile as Sony's developers will concentrate on new content.

I'm still making a prediciton that down the road there will be a compacted version of the PS3 that has the heardware BC put back in, possibly including a PS1 R3000 chip in addition to the PS2 EE.

[mcy_999]

Besides the price drop, Sony needs to beef up the marketing efforts by emphasizing the BD player feature in the PS3. They should use the slogans such as: "When You Pay $399 for the HD Game Console, You Get a BD Player for Free" or "When You Pay $399 for a BD Player, You Get a HD Game Console for Free". It would make the BD player feature to stand out and let consumers realize the values they are getting. PS3 is a multifunction media center for home rather than just a game console being frequently compared with Wii or xbox 360.

[soniqstylz]

Originally Posted by phranctoast

I do feel rather cool..thank you!

This version doesnt at least have Software emulation to replicate the Backward compatibility?

There's some speculation that it will not have any BC, software or otherwise.

[Joe Cain]

I pray that's only speculation. Since the PS2 is still the king of consoles it would be utter stupidity of Sony to eliminate that advantage over the Xbox and alienate all the consumers who buy based on brand loyalty.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by soniqstylz

There's some speculation that it will not have any BC, software or otherwise.

from a money makeing standpoint that does not make sense for SONY to cut out Backward compatability at all ..mainly because the playstation 2 is still selling..if the playstation 2 was not still selling but not getting any more playstation 2 games than i could see that . but since the playstation 2 is still selling great after 6 almost 7 years now . no i do not think Sony would remove Backward compatability..it would not be as profitable if they left it in.