Pioneer 9G Owners Thread - Present & Future

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by The Big Blue

Haven't really kept up with the 3D talk... was wondering if the 5020 will do 3D. I'm guessing no.

No it won't , along with all the other Kuro too.

[agoofykindasuperman]

Why not? Thought all that was needed some 240hz or faster?

[JJ]

Proud to report that, a year later, my Kuro has not shown any issues at all whatsoever.

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by agoofykindasuperman

Why not? Thought all that was needed some 240hz or faster?

It appears that the Kuro has a 60Hz port, and the signal is stepped up to high sync rates once inside the set.

The 3-D format requires 120Hz input ports, manipulated a different rate once inside.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by Blu-Dog

It appears that the Kuro has a 60Hz port, and the signal is stepped up to high sync rates once inside the set.

The 3-D format requires 120Hz input ports, manipulated a different rate once inside.

If Pioneer was doing 3-D I believe they would have done it correctly using multiplies of the original frame rate. Every single model of Pioneer plasma display that was every made that offers a 1080p/24 input correctly refreshes the 1080P/24 2-D image on the screen at 72HZ regardless of the menu settings. Back in 2006 Pioneer's first 1080P plasma was the only flat screen on the market at the time that did not add 3:2 pulldown judder to 1080p/24 signals.

If Pioneer would have stayed in the plasma business I believe new models of Pioneer plasmas would have accepted a 3-D 1080p/48 signal and refreshed the image on the screen at a minimum of 144fps or a higher refresh rate just like all 3-D digital theater presentations.

[lokir1]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

If Pioneer was doing 3-D I believe they would have done it correctly using multiplies of the original frame rate. Every single model of Pioneer plasma display that was every made that offers a 1080p/24 input correctly refreshes the 1080P/24 2-D image on the screen at 72HZ regardless of the menu settings. Back in 2006 Pioneer's first 1080P plasma was the only flat screen on the market at the time that did not add 3:2 pulldown judder to 1080p/24 signals.

If Pioneer would have stayed in the plasma business I believe new models of Pioneer plasmas would have accepted a 3-D 1080p/48 signal and refreshed the image on the screen at a minimum of 144fps or a higher refresh rate just like all 3-D digital theater presentations.

I SO agree

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

If Pioneer was doing 3-D I believe they would have done it correctly using multiplies of the original frame rate. Every single model of Pioneer plasma display that was every made that offers a 1080p/24 input correctly refreshes the 1080P/24 2-D image on the screen at 72HZ regardless of the menu settings. Back in 2006 Pioneer's first 1080P plasma was the only flat screen on the market at the time that did not add 3:2 pulldown judder to 1080p/24 signals.

If Pioneer would have stayed in the plasma business I believe new models of Pioneer plasmas would have accepted a 3-D 1080p/48 signal and refreshed the image on the screen at a minimum of 144fps or a higher refresh rate just like all 3-D digital theater presentations.

I'm with you a 100%. We can only dream now... One day hopefully...

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

If Pioneer was doing 3-D I believe they would have done it correctly using multiplies of the original frame rate. Every single model of Pioneer plasma display that was every made that offers a 1080p/24 input correctly refreshes the 1080P/24 2-D image on the screen at 72HZ regardless of the menu settings. Back in 2006 Pioneer's first 1080P plasma was the only flat screen on the market at the time that did not add 3:2 pulldown judder to 1080p/24 signals.

Interesting. Reading the manual, I couldn't figure that out, thanks for explaining it.

My player is set for 24FPS output, so I can turn off "smoothing" settings. Didn't know that was automatic.

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

If Pioneer would have stayed in the plasma business I believe new models of Pioneer plasmas would have accepted a 3-D 1080p/48 signal and refreshed the image on the screen at a minimum of 144fps or a higher refresh rate just like all 3-D digital theater presentations.

Wouldn't that only require a firmware update?

[saprano]

Kuros PQ is already 3D.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by Blu-Dog

Interesting. Reading the manual, I couldn't figure that out, thanks for explaining it.

My player is set for 24FPS output, so I can turn off "smoothing" settings. Didn't know that was automatic.



Wouldn't that only require a firmware update?

Yes the Pioneer will automatically display 1080p/24 source material at 72fps regardless of the menu settings. The "Advanced" mode setting will do a reverse 3:2 pulldown for film based 480i,480P,720P, and 1080I sources and upconvert the image to 1080P using 72fps instead of 60fps.

Quote from Home Theater magazine:

"As in other Pioneer sets, the Film Mode (under PureCinema) tells the set how to display film- and video-sourced material. It automatically detects film-based sources and offers three options (plus Off). Standard (interlaced inputs) always feeds the panel 1080p at 60 frames per second. Advanced (all sources except 1080p/60) converts film-based material to a display rate of 72 frames per second (eliminating 3:2 pulldown where present). Smooth (all sources except 1080p/60) is an intermediate option, but I didn’t find it very useful.
If the program material is already 1080p/24, as is the case with films on Blu-ray, the set automatically converts it to 1080p/72, regardless of the PureCinema/Film Mode control’s setting."

http://hometheatermag.com/flat-panels/pioneer_elite_kuro_pro-141fd_plasma_hd_monitor/index.html

The hardware in all existing Pioneers were only designed for 2-D images and it would not be possible to display Cinema quality 3-D. The HDMI 1.3 circuit boards would need to be replaced with HDMI 1.4 and the display circuit that handles frame rate would need to be upgraded to 144fps or higher so that 3-D would work correctly. I cannot see any third party company making a hardware and firmware upgrade kit for the Pioneer (It would not be worth the cost of research and development since It would be too costly). For those that really want 3-D they will need to purchase a new 3-D compatible display and 3-D Blu-ray player (Also new A/V recevier if you want video switching of 3-D signals). Before I consider upgrading any display to 3-D I am going to wait until the 2-D picture quality beats the quality of the 9th generation Pioneer. It might be a few years before there exists a 3-D display that can produce deeper 2-D black levels when compared to the existing Pioneer plasma's.
The new 3-D Blu-ray movie format has not even been released yet. When those movies start to come out then I will consider maybe upgrading one TV and BLU-RAY player to 3-D if the 2-D quality can beat the picture quality of a Pioneer.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by saprano

Kuros PQ is already 3D.

Technically the Pioneers are only a excellent 2-D 1080P displays. Of course many people like how the deep blacks and awesome contrast ratio on the Pioneer's create a excellent illusion of depth.

The following is a quote from the Home Theater review on the PRO-141FD that supports your suggestion of 3-D depth on the Pioneer

" The Pioneer was even better with the best Blu-ray Discs. Its most striking quality, which it hinted at with the finest cable stations, is a remarkable illusion of depth. This wasn’t the gimmicky depth you see in 3-D movies or the dreary televised 3-D experiments. (Even on the Pioneer, the 3-D trailer for Monsters vs. Aliens that aired during the Super Bowl looked grim.) Instead, this had a believable depth that you could watch all day without getting a headache. The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian on Blu-ray had it. So did Baraka; its jaw-dropping images compensated for its sleep-inducing pace."

"That depth comes from a combination of factors: spot-on color, exceptional resolution, and a comfortable (but not excessive) brightness level. But the most important contribution is Pioneer’s industry-leading black levels. Yes, local-dimming LCDs are starting to make inroads, but for overall performance on dark scenes, nothing can beat a Pioneer Kuro. And make no mistake: The better the blacks, the better the subjective image depth, even on bright scenes. The deeper the blacks, the firmer the foundation for all material, from the darkest to the brightest."

http://hometheatermag.com/flat-panel...or/index1.html

[saprano]

Thats exactly what im talking about. No other TV i've seen can do what the pioneer does. Watch speed racer on a kuro, my god, the inky blacks of the 2.39:1 bars combined with the very bright, colorful and sharp PQ of the movie makes it look like the actors are standing in the TV. Its just unbelievable.

[wafi]

Originally Posted by saprano

Thats exactly what im talking about. No other TV i've seen can do what the pioneer does. Watch speed racer on a kuro, my god, the inky blacks of the 2.39:1 bars combined with the very bright, colorful and sharp PQ of the movie makes it look like the actors are standing in the TV. Its just unbelievable.

You know I havent seen Speed Racer since I got the Kuro, I might just try it. It was such a fall from grace compared to Matrix that once I finished watching it I had to quickly turn something else on to stem the nausea!

[BLUTRIG]

Originally Posted by saprano

Thats exactly what im talking about. No other TV i've seen can do what the pioneer does. Watch speed racer on a kuro, my god, the inky blacks of the 2.39:1 bars combined with the very bright, colorful and sharp PQ of the movie makes it look like the actors are standing in the TV. Its just unbelievable.

I this watch Speed Racer again today and you are right the color is unbelievable bright, sharp & black is black on my G9,I this wish wish it had HD sound,TRIG

[TheFactor]

Originally Posted by saprano

Thats exactly what im talking about. No other TV i've seen can do what the pioneer does. Watch speed racer on a kuro, my god, the inky blacks of the 2.39:1 bars combined with the very bright, colorful and sharp PQ of the movie makes it look like the actors are standing in the TV. Its just unbelievable.

Lent speed racer to a friend and now I cant wait to get it back so I can check it out on my new 6020

[uniquetreatone]

I wish with the money Pioneer made off of selling almost all of their panels the could just make one more. Imagine having a panel that had INFINITE BLACK!!! Forget 3D and all the rest of those things. PLEASE PIONEER JUST ONE MORE.

[jkcheng122]

It appears they sold the tech to Panasonic in 09, but it's likely not implemented in the '10 models. Does seem though if anything will come close to Kuro's blacks it'll be Panasonic's plasmas.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by Speedy

Err which one are the 9G models?

50" displays - 5020, 111, 101, 500KRP
60" displays - 6020, 151, 141, 600KRP
all are very nice displays.

[TheFactor]

Originally Posted by Sonny

50" displays - 5020, 111, 101, 500KRP
60" displays - 6020, 151, 141, 600KRP
all are very nice displays.

x2 on the 6020 but im a little bias But yes all Pio Kuros

[oppopioneer]

How should the options/features be set on my Pio Elite Pro-151fd to reduce IR image burn in and ghosts?

My options are currently set to:

Display/ AV Selection: Pure
Screen Size: Auto
Text Optimization: Off
Intelligent Mode: Off
Energy Save: Mode 1
No Signal Off: Enable
No Operation Off: Enable
Auto Size: Wide Zoom

Side Mask =
Detection: Mode 2
HD Wide Mode: Mode 2
Brightness Sync: Auto
Orbiter: Mode 2

Anything else?