The Hobbit Trilogy Discussion Thread

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

Wizards and Nazgul.

There is a possibility of having Nazgul in this movie. As for Wizards, if the White Council is depicted (as I think it will be), this will provide the opportunity to show at least three of them together - Gandalf, Sauruman, and Radagast. If Del Toro wants to use artistic license, he could have the two blue Wizards present, thus the extremely rare occurrence of showing all five Wizards. That alone would be worth the price of the ticket!

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Goldengirl

basically, we definitely are waiting on the MGM crisis, in case there were any doubts.

http://newboards.theonering.net/foru...=unread#unread

So this is the real reason behind the delay in the purchasing of my precious EEs.

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[vegeta88]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Too bad - and somewhat ironic, since the return on these films will undoubtedly give MGM the financial boost they need.

Agree. These films, while expensive, are sure money-makers since they are sequels(prequels) to big movies and based on source material that has a huge fan base. There is nothing in the equation that is bad for making money.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Mahatma

Morgan Freeman as Gandalf

but why not Ragadast?

[Batman1980]

I doubt Radagast the Brown will be in these movies too much.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

I doubt Radagast the Brown will be in these movies too much.

Since they are expending the story, he could well be

[Mahatma]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

but why not Ragadast?

Didn't think of him since he's not in the book.But I guess Ian McKellen is playing gandalf again,so any role for FreemanThink he's one of my favourite actors of all time.Think H ewould lend class to Gandalf

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

I doubt Radagast the Brown will be in these movies too much.

If the White Council is shown, he could be included. His inclusion would even be more logical from the standpoint that his residence is right in the middle of the action at Rhosgobel, located between where Gandalf leaves the Dwarves at the entrance to Mirkwood, Lothlorien, and the Necromancer's (Sauron's) abode.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

If the White Council is shown, he could be included. His inclusion would even be more logical from the standpoint that his residence is right in the middle of the action at Rhosgobel, located between where Gandalf leaves the Dwarves at the entrance to Mirkwood, Lothlorien, and the Necromancer's (Sauron's) abode.

Hard to believe a lesser wizard would want to live so close to so much danger.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

Hard to believe a lesser wizard would want to live so close to so much danger.

All 5 are the same actualy. I would not call him lesser

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

All 5 are the same actualy. I would not call him lesser

All 5 are the same? So that's why Saruman defeated Mithrandir so easily at Isengard.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Bilbo might have been slightly more courageous, but Frodo was probably a little more intelligent. It is hard to imagine Frodo trying to pick the trolls pocket, or getting the Mirkwood spiders to fight him so the Dwarves could get away. On the other hand, Frodo shows more maturity compared to Bilbo at the comparable age of 50, when both of them set out on their adventure.

I think they have completely different personalities.
Frodo is serious-minded and introspective, even "broody" and dark. Bilbo is bubbly and outgoing, on the outside he is a classic hobbit. The thing that tipped-off Gandalf that there was an adventuring, wrestless soul inside Bilbo, was the fact that he was a fifty-year-old bachelor, which is unheard-of for a hobbit, he's the only bachelor in the Shire. Frodo is not innately adventurous, he takes his journey because a heavy sense of responsibility is part of his personality. Frodo also lacks Bilbo's knack of self-reliance. What makes them the same is that they are both very courageous.

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Well Bilbo story alone is roughly a 90 minutes movie. The book is rather simple and much more for children. I think their idea to expand and put things like the White Council and such make sense. You have to remember that yes many fans of the books see the movies but a lot more people who see them will not read the books and never will. Imagine the shock they would have going to see Bilbo and get a simple kid story push at them...would not work very well on the box office.

I disagree a little bit. 'The Hobbit' comes from a time and place where "children's story" does not mean the same thing as "dumbed-down for children". It's not as long as LotR, but it's still easily a 2.5- or even 3-hour story without having to "fluff up" any material from appendices and peripheral literature. A "kid's story", yes, a "simple" one? No.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

If the White Council is shown, he could be included. His inclusion would even be more logical from the standpoint that his residence is right in the middle of the action at Rhosgobel, located between where Gandalf leaves the Dwarves at the entrance to Mirkwood, Lothlorien, and the Necromancer's (Sauron's) abode.

A cameo by Radagast would be logical. Radagast with a Georgia accent (Morgan Freeman) might be a little odd, but it could work.

I don't think the blue wizards ever showed up to the White council. After arriving in Middle Earth, they headed east either to "go into business for themselves" like Saruman, or just to take on a different task that didn't involve Sauron, or both. For whatever reason, Alatar and Pallando are never heard from.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

A cameo by Radagast would be logical. Radagast with a Georgia accent (Morgan Freeman) might be a little odd, but it could work.

I don't think the blue wizards ever showed up to the White council. After arriving in Middle Earth, they headed east either to "go into business for themselves" like Saruman, or just to take on a different task that didn't involve Sauron, or both. For whatever reason, Alatar and Pallando are never heard from.

And I think that throwing in a lot more wizards would just confuse the movie only fans too.

[Goldengirl]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

So this is the real reason behind the delay in the purchasing of my precious EEs.

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as being advantageous to those of us who want them. We want them done right, and if there is indeed a problem with this TE release then waiting may change that. Positive thoughts, positive thoughts.


But, back on topic, the delay in filming The Hobbit really may work against us, if we lose the availability of some of the returning folks from LotR who belong in the Hobbit. It's just that what with Bob Shaye and PJ's lawsuit and now MGM's woes, it seems as if these movies will never be made, despite the fact that work has begun in earnest on the Hobbiton site.

http://newboards.theonering.net/foru...=unread#unread

[Goldengirl]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

And I think that throwing in a lot more wizards would just confuse the movie only fans too.

that Radagast was a moth.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Goldengirl

as being advantageous to those of us who want them. We want them done right, and if there is indeed a problem with this TE release then waiting may change that. Positive thoughts, positive thoughts.


But, back on topic, the delay in filming The Hobbit really may work against us, if we lose the availability of some of the returning folks from LotR who belong in the Hobbit. It's just that what with Bob Shaye and PJ's lawsuit and now MGM's woes, it seems as if these movies will never be made, despite the fact that work has begun in earnest on the Hobbiton site.

http://newboards.theonering.net/foru...=unread#unread

Thanks for those pics Goldengirl.

Which reminds me that I need to start visiting TOR.net again.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by Goldengirl

as being advantageous to those of us who want them. We want them done right, and if there is indeed a problem with this TE release then waiting may change that. Positive thoughts, positive thoughts.


But, back on topic, the delay in filming The Hobbit really may work against us, if we lose the availability of some of the returning folks from LotR who belong in the Hobbit. It's just that what with Bob Shaye and PJ's lawsuit and now MGM's woes, it seems as if these movies will never be made, despite the fact that work has begun in earnest on the Hobbiton site.

http://newboards.theonering.net/foru...=unread#unread

There never has been any evidence presented to suggest that the delay in releasing the extended editions of LotR has anything at all to do with the release date of 'The Hobbit'. That is just the conclusion that everybody has jumped to. There are many probable reasons for the delay, not the least of which is the fact that Jackson has been very busy lately and doesn't have the opportunity to work on an EE package... putting out the theatrical blu-rays is as simple as making a straight transfer from the same archival scan they used to make the DVDs, a process that doesn't involve Jackson or Weta. That is a fraction of the work needed for the EE's, and Jackson has said over the years that the next EE release would have goodies and editing that were not included in the 2002-2004 EE releases, it is not to be a duplicate release of the DVDs. It's just not ready yet. They can't release what does not yet exist. Jackson more recently said that he intended on getting in some work on a new EE of LotR as soon as Weta was in full swing working on 'The Hobbit'.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

All 5 are the same? So that's why Saruman defeated Mithrandir so easily at Isengard.

There is a pecking order. Saruman originally was the most powerful, and Gandalf was second, although he was given the red Elven ring Narya by Cirdan. Gandalf had to be enhanced upon being reborn on Zirak Zigil before he could deal with Saruman and break his staff. Tolkien: "the old Gandalf could not have dealt so ... with Saruman."

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

I think they have completely different personalities.
Frodo is serious-minded and introspective, even "broody" and dark. Bilbo is bubbly and outgoing, on the outside he is a classic hobbit. The thing that tipped-off Gandalf that there was an adventuring, wrestless soul inside Bilbo, was the fact that he was a fifty-year-old bachelor, which is unheard-of for a hobbit, he's the only bachelor in the Shire. Frodo is not innately adventurous, he takes his journey because a heavy sense of responsibility is part of his personality. Frodo also lacks Bilbo's knack of self-reliance. What makes them the same is that they are both very courageous.

True, and I think that Frodo demonstrates more maturity than Bilbo at the same age. Bilbo had to be practically dragged out of Bag End to go on his adventure. Although Bilbo probably could have been convinced to start the journey to destroy the Ring, Frodo's personality characteristic is more demonstrative of "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few (or the one)" compared to Bilbo.