why Fox is stll going with Blu-ray and not HD DVD - Blu-ray Forum

joeorc · 11-08-2007, 07:11 PM

GET THIS HOW stupid do you have to be with statements like this:

Tom Tom is online now
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# Note to Twentieth Century Fox: As you can see, BD+ didn't offer you any advanced security, it just annoyed some of your customers with older players. So could you please cut this crap and start publishing your titles on HD DVD? There are thousands of people willing to give you money.
# Note to people considering to invest in HD media: Please buy HD DVD instead of Blu-ray. HD DVD is much more consumer friendly (e.g., no region coding, AACS not mandatory). Don't give your money to people, who throw your fair-use rights out of the window.

WOW one must ask these TOOLs HOW does that make Fox or any other studio want to make movies for any format....

what fair use would that be..huh

people and groups like this make me sick...fair use is one thing but "give people an inch and they take a mile"...so bypassing a Copy protection is OK as long as its good for the consumer..what i ask is if you spent all the money for your creative team to make a movie for people and than have people steal it that's ok..right.

.now not every one will but there will be some that will and Fox is only takeing extra means that HD DVD does not have in protecting the content creators IP . but thats not what you want to hear
right...let me ask you if you sold the original copy of a movie would you destroy any and all backups you made of that movie...? exactly

Zaphod · 11-08-2007, 07:14 PM

Already posted, but just goes to show you how ignorant some people are. No matter what type of authoring, or encryption, or security features movie or recording studios use, there will ALWAYS be someone who is able to hack or crack it.

Seretur · 11-08-2007, 07:17 PM

Newsflash: Piracy enablers now advocate HD DVD!

How come these people aren't behind bars, anyway?

qz3fwd · 11-08-2007, 07:21 PM

Yeah-The people who came up with the ill-conceived abomination called BD+ were ignorant and/or arrogant thinking it would survive for any reasonable amount of time in the wild. Does this mean 20'th Cent Fox goes AWOL again??? All DRM schemes are futile.

qz3fwd · 11-08-2007, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seretur

How come these people aren't behind bars, anyway?

Because it is not against the law where they live.

theknub · 11-08-2007, 07:22 PM

and thus the use of bd+. make it a pains in the ass for the companies to crack every movie and they might just give up (unlikely, but make it a long time in coming)

joeorc · 11-08-2007, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seretur

Newsflash: Piracy enablers now advocate HD DVD!

How come these people aren't behind bars, anyway?

because they build their software just for back ups.."so they say" ...

glenn22 · 11-08-2007, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qz3fwd

Yeah-The people who came up with the ill-conceived abomination called BD+ were ignorant and/or arrogant thinking it would survive for any reasonable amount of time in the wild. Does this mean 20'th Cent Fox goes AWOL again??? All DRM schemes are futile.

Thinking it would survive? it's hasn't died. Saying all DRM schemes are futile is just plain retarded.

beavis667 · 11-08-2007, 07:23 PM

They shouldn't be behind bars for the same reason Bushmaster shouldn't get sued when someone uses one of their guns to shoot up a bunch of people.

theknub · 11-08-2007, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qz3fwd

Yeah-The people who came up with the ill-conceived abomination called BD+ were ignorant and/or arrogant thinking it would survive for any reasonable amount of time in the wild. Does this mean 20'th Cent Fox goes AWOL again??? All DRM schemes are futile.

false, bd+ can constantly reinvent itself. every individual movie needs to be cracked vs just one all powerful algorithm

joeorc · 11-08-2007, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zaphod

Already posted, but just goes to show you how ignorant some people are. No matter what type of authoring, or encryption, or security features movie or recording studios use, there will ALWAYS be someone who is able to hack or crack it.

but some expect the studios to be happy about cracking the security and expect them to put their movies on the format with the lowest copy protection scheme...

,like that Slysoft joker..o'l brother..

CAB · 11-08-2007, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qz3fwd

Because it is not against the law where they live.

It is against the law where they live but they don't distribute it from where they live. It's good to see there are those like you with such strong support of theft. Oh wait, that's actually bad - scratch that.

Welcome to the forums. Life boring with no AVS to troll so you had to come here?

Luis_A51 · 11-08-2007, 07:28 PM

BD+ works on a title by title basis. SO they cracked 1 movie. They'll have to spend plenty of time to crack the next one. It was never intented to be 100% hacker proof - thats impossible. All it was intented to do was to force them to crack every single title seperately, in the hopes that hackers would just give up. Spending weeks cracking individual titles is not only expensive, time consuming, and in the end you only get to the bigger titles. Thus financially its not really worth it to them.

The issues with the older players are an old issue now. They dont want people to use HDDVD because its more "consumer friendly" they want you to use it since its far more hacker friendly.

Seretur · 11-08-2007, 07:28 PM

So where do they live, and what about the Interpol warning we see before each disc we play?

No, seriously, it's damaging enough when they do what they do -- taking money away from the studios just decreases the risks they're willing to take, making all movies blander and safer, for one thing -- but to brag about it? To endorse formats based on it?

That's seriously messed up.

And to think that Microsoft -- Microsoft, who have built their empire on strictly enforcing copyright law to crush all opposition and sell their shoddy software -- is on the same side as these criminals... now that's truly mindboggling.

Blu-Ray Buckeye · 11-08-2007, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qz3fwd

Yeah-The people who came up with the ill-conceived abomination called BD+ were ignorant and/or arrogant thinking it would survive for any reasonable amount of time in the wild. Does this mean 20'th Cent Fox goes AWOL again??? All DRM schemes are futile.

You have to crack BD+ for every single title. It's a great system compared to anything else right now and it will make it very difficult for pirate operations to make large profits.

Your oversimplified statement is stupid.

Blu-Ray Buckeye · 11-08-2007, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beavis667

They shouldn't be behind bars for the same reason Bushmaster shouldn't get sued when someone uses one of their guns to shoot up a bunch of people.

This is a tough contest but....

Is this the lamest post of the day?

HeavyHitter · 11-08-2007, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luis_A51

BD+ works on a title by title basis. SO they cracked 1 movie. They'll have to spend plenty of time to crack the next one. It was never intented to be 100% hacker proof - thats impossible. All it was intented to do was to force them to crack every single title seperately, in the hopes that hackers would just give up. Spending weeks cracking individual titles is not only expensive, time consuming, and in the end you only get to the bigger titles. Thus financially its not really worth it to them.

The issues with the older players are an old issue now. They dont want people to use HDDVD because its more "consumer friendly" they want you to use it since its far more hacker friendly.

So, once that single cracked copy is made, can that copy then be replicated and sent around easily?

monkyman · 11-08-2007, 07:38 PM

BD+ will be sucessfull, in that if it takes you a month to crack the code, the movie is old news anyway.

Besides, why bother trying to crack it everytime it changes when everyone else can easily copy the dvd version?

qz3fwd · 11-08-2007, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theknub

false, bd+ can constantly reinvent itself. every individual movie needs to be cracked vs just one all powerful algorithm

But, IF they replaced the Virtual Machine of the player and impersonate a licensed playback device, wouldnt they be able to do just about anything? Maybe I do not correctly understand how the system works?

Personally I think this is a good thing if it truly is cracked and think these schemes(CSS/AACS/BD+) just increase the cost and complexity while reducing stability and performance for marginal benefits and zero benefits to the consumer. How many millions/billions did they spend developing the system?

Be gone BD+, banished to the bowels where it belongs.

dtrush · 11-08-2007, 07:39 PM

Honestly, I don't think Blu-Ray discs really need to be "backed up". In the past I could argue that I didn't want my DVD to get scratched by my 3 year old but I don't think this argument holds true anymore. We shouldn't have to worry about this with the awesome protection layer on the BD itself. I rented from Blockbuster the other day & my wife told me that our daughter had the disc in her hand. Fearing that she might scratch the BD and we'd have to buy it, naturally wanted to get it away from her. I told her not to worry and that there's no way she'll scratch it

Of course I let her keep it & there isn't even a sign of a scratch on it.
To be short....... BD's don't need to be backed up!

11-08-2007, 07:11 PM	#1
joeorc Power Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:GROVEPORT ,OHIO	why Fox is stll going with Blu-ray and not HD DVD GET THIS HOW stupid do you have to be with statements like this: Tom Tom is online now SlySoft Team Member # Note to Twentieth Century Fox: As you can see, BD+ didn't offer you any advanced security, it just annoyed some of your customers with older players. So could you please cut this crap and start publishing your titles on HD DVD? There are thousands of people willing to give you money. # Note to people considering to invest in HD media: Please buy HD DVD instead of Blu-ray. HD DVD is much more consumer friendly (e.g., no region coding, AACS not mandatory). Don't give your money to people, who throw your fair-use rights out of the window. WOW one must ask these TOOLs HOW does that make Fox or any other studio want to make movies for any format.... what fair use would that be..huh people and groups like this make me sick...fair use is one thing but "give people an inch and they take a mile"...so bypassing a Copy protection is OK as long as its good for the consumer..what i ask is if you spent all the money for your creative team to make a movie for people and than have people steal it that's ok..right. .now not every one will but there will be some that will and Fox is only takeing extra means that HD DVD does not have in protecting the content creators IP . but thats not what you want to hear right...let me ask you if you sold the original copy of a movie would you destroy any and all backups you made of that movie...? exactly

11-08-2007, 07:14 PM	#2
Zaphod Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Apr 2007 Location:A small planet somewhere in the vicinity of Betelgeuse. Blu-ray collection:350 Trading Score:4	Already posted, but just goes to show you how ignorant some people are. No matter what type of authoring, or encryption, or security features movie or recording studios use, there will ALWAYS be someone who is able to hack or crack it. Last edited by Zaphod; 11-08-2007 at 07:17 PM.

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11-08-2007, 07:17 PM	#3
Seretur Special Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:An Island in the Adriatic Blu-ray collection:521 Blu-ray reviews:5 Trading Score:2	Newsflash: Piracy enablers now advocate HD DVD! How come these people aren't behind bars, anyway?

11-08-2007, 07:21 PM	#4
qz3fwd Member Member since:Sep 2007	Yeah-The people who came up with the ill-conceived abomination called BD+ were ignorant and/or arrogant thinking it would survive for any reasonable amount of time in the wild. Does this mean 20'th Cent Fox goes AWOL again??? All DRM schemes are futile.

11-08-2007, 07:22 PM	#6
theknub Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2006	and thus the use of bd+. make it a pains in the ass for the companies to crack every movie and they might just give up (unlikely, but make it a long time in coming)

11-08-2007, 07:23 PM	#9
beavis667 Active Member Member since:Aug 2007	They shouldn't be behind bars for the same reason Bushmaster shouldn't get sued when someone uses one of their guns to shoot up a bunch of people.

11-08-2007, 07:28 PM	#13
Luis_A51 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Calgary, AB Blu-ray reviews:4	BD+ works on a title by title basis. SO they cracked 1 movie. They'll have to spend plenty of time to crack the next one. It was never intented to be 100% hacker proof - thats impossible. All it was intented to do was to force them to crack every single title seperately, in the hopes that hackers would just give up. Spending weeks cracking individual titles is not only expensive, time consuming, and in the end you only get to the bigger titles. Thus financially its not really worth it to them. The issues with the older players are an old issue now. They dont want people to use HDDVD because its more "consumer friendly" they want you to use it since its far more hacker friendly.

11-08-2007, 07:38 PM	#18
monkyman Special Member Member since:Jun 2007	BD+ will be sucessfull, in that if it takes you a month to crack the code, the movie is old news anyway. Besides, why bother trying to crack it everytime it changes when everyone else can easily copy the dvd version?

11-08-2007, 07:39 PM	#20
dtrush Active Member Member since:Feb 2007 Location:Sandy, UT U.S.A. Blu-ray reviews:1	Honestly, I don't think Blu-Ray discs really need to be "backed up". In the past I could argue that I didn't want my DVD to get scratched by my 3 year old but I don't think this argument holds true anymore. We shouldn't have to worry about this with the awesome protection layer on the BD itself. I rented from Blockbuster the other day & my wife told me that our daughter had the disc in her hand. Fearing that she might scratch the BD and we'd have to buy it, naturally wanted to get it away from her. I told her not to worry and that there's no way she'll scratch it Of course I let her keep it & there isn't even a sign of a scratch on it. To be short....... BD's don't need to be backed up!

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