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Deane Johnson · 12-12-2006, 02:49 PM

So, if HD-DVD does die off, what will happen to those folks who jumped in?

HD-DVD=DIVX?

dialog_gvf · 12-12-2006, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian@BBY

Even irrational ones like plazman, Joerod & Gary Murrell have sold out their original hype while hiding behind the "I still think hddvd is better" or "hddvd is my first format, i just rent BD's" B.S.

Gary is a convert. You can read he is a little embarassed that he was allowed to be sucked into to FUD on the Samsung. He feels that player (which I think we all can agree is the weakest current offering) is still way above the Toshiba decks.

Gary

P.S. Any updates on the buzz and sales in the store?

dialog_gvf · 12-12-2006, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Deane Johnson

So, if HD-DVD does die off, what will happen to those folks who jumped in?

HD-DVD=DIVX?

Worse. DIVX players could play regular DVDs.

And that's the problem. They will tend to be in denial and lash out for perhaps years. And that can't be good in general.

Everyone wants one format, as long as it is their choice. I always find it amusing that mods say "no politics". We know what they mean, but this is politics pure an simple. Red and blue. "My" candidate is great. "Your" candidate is evil.

Gary

JTK · 12-12-2006, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deane Johnson

So, if HD-DVD does die off, what will happen to those folks who jumped in?

HD-DVD=DIVX?

Pretty much.

theknub · 12-12-2006, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Worse. DIVX players could play regular DVDs.

hd-dvd will play dvd's as well

Spankey · 12-12-2006, 03:44 PM

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Everyone wants one format, as long as it is their choice.

I think the only reason there are people still staunchly behind HD-DVD is because they bought in early, and the $500 price was already too steep for them. Now that they have invested more money in software makes it even harder to abandon HD-DVD. It is understandable to want to watch more movies, and that is why studio support is much more important than hardware price.

marzetta7 · 12-12-2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JTK

I want to see the "wrath of God" finally start descending and just end this nonsense already! If the BDA really has their act together fully and finally: Finish it!

Finish him! [Crowd roars]...put 'em in a body bag BDA, yeah!!! Hahahahehehehehe.

FEAR does not exist in this Blu-ray forum...does it...NO SENSAI...PAIN does not exist in this Blu-ray forum...does it..NO SENSAI...

WriteSimply · 12-12-2006, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JTK

I want to see the "wrath of God" finally start descending and just end this nonsense already! If the BDA really has their act together fully and finally: Finish it!

Wait. Are you asking for a "Fatality"? How retro am I? Mortal Kombat.

I seriously don't think that HD-DVD is quite finished yet, that I know of. I don't venture into the HD-DVD forum of the AVSF. The real people that would know such a decision would be the VC-1 encoding engineers at Microsoft and that other guy.

Until then, MS will be fighting. Yep, MS. Not Toshiba.

If they throw the towel in, then they'll have to reprogram their encoders to be optimized for BD's bandwith limits.

fuad

JTK · 12-12-2006, 05:06 PM

I think my sig gives you a ballpark frame of reference for where I think the timetable is right now.

JBlacklow · 12-12-2006, 05:47 PM

Man, HD DVD supporters are pulling out all the stops on this one. It's just the PR guys, or Bill Hunt is some random guy with a website, announcements don't matter for product (remember that from the "50GB is years away" days?), and even that this means Disney and Fox are scared.

Me? I have the feeling we'll see a Pixar lineup (possibly paired with Apple Blu-ray offerings at Macworld), both PotC films, and some major Miramax titles. Blu-ray is already poised to take the lead in number of titles by the end of February, but the push will gain even more momentum. Hardware-wise, I'm thinking at least one sub-$700 offering.

Petra · 12-12-2006, 05:55 PM

Yay!!

the mod in AVS closed my topic about this news

here's the thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9&page=1&pp=30

Blubaru · 12-12-2006, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Petra

Yay!!

the mod in AVS closed my topic about this news

here's the thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9&page=1&pp=30

Not good for morale I guess

You should make another thread.

Maximus · 12-12-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JBlacklow

Man, HD DVD supporters are pulling out all the stops on this one. It's just the PR guys, or Bill Hunt is some random guy with a website, announcements don't matter for product (remember that from the "50GB is years away" days?), and even that this means Disney and Fox are scared.

Me? I have the feeling we'll see a Pixar lineup (possibly paired with Apple Blu-ray offerings at Macworld), both PotC films, and some major Miramax titles. Blu-ray is already poised to take the lead in number of titles by the end of February, but the push will gain even more momentum. Hardware-wise, I'm thinking at least one sub-$700 offering.

I definitely agree with you, and welcome to the forum where you can get away from the AVS FUD

.

I think LG are going to announce a player<$500 and PotC would be great, but Pixar will pull in many people because it is animated, and therefore will be pristine.

Oh and 2 guesses at which AVS 'super moderator' closed the thread, you know which one

.

Petra · 12-12-2006, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Blubaru

Not good for morale I guess

You should make another thread.

\

gotta be careful.

I need my account there

Rio · 12-12-2006, 07:41 PM

Less than $500 HD DVD or BD player will not come in 2007 in my opinion, unless someone has a big pocket to subsidize it (like MS). Usually for CE equipment, total BOM cost must be less than half of its retail price. Big companies may require even 1/3 to 1/4 (smaller companies can afford more higher cost). Blue LD only costs around $100 now and is expected to be around $50-$70 by the end of next year. From what I heard, next gen drive itself costs around $250 to $300. It's tooo expensive to make $500 players in the next year.

dobyblue · 12-12-2006, 08:11 PM

Hiding the truth, that all that's happening over there.

dialog_gvf · 12-12-2006, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by theknub

hd-dvd will play dvd's as well

That's great, if they are or decide to restart buying DVD.

But, my point was that when DIVX died, the owners of those players could still play comparable generation movie discs (DVD).

If HD DVD dies, the user can't play BD discs on their player. So, this is more risky than DIVX.

Gary

phloyd · 12-12-2006, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceman

BB has HD-DVD players, it's just that you have to ask for them and they bring them out from the stockroom, or so I've heard.
I've also heard that it's the same thing with Circuit City, they tend to "hide" the HD-DVD products and show off BD products...

I asked both in the main store (who said ask Magnolia) and in the Magnolia who said they had nothing at the moment. I just wanted to see the demo...

ProvenFlipper · 12-12-2006, 10:28 PM

While the sales of players are important, the sales of BD movies are equally as important. Many people are going to look at the day and date releases, see the DVD is half the price and just buy the DVD. To many people the upconverted DVD is going to look close to the BD anyways. The prices of the discs need to get down to new release DVD prices ASAP.

theknub · 12-12-2006, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

That's great, if they are or decide to restart buying DVD.

But, my point was that when DIVX died, the owners of those players could still play comparable generation movie discs (DVD).

If HD DVD dies, the user can't play BD discs on their player. So, this is more risky than DIVX.

Gary

gary,
i knew what you meant. stupid sarcasm doesn't work on the net

. just trying to be an ass so to speak.

12-12-2006, 05:55 PM	#51
Petra Senior Member Member since:Dec 2006	Yay!! the mod in AVS closed my topic about this news here's the thread http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9&page=1&pp=30 Last edited by Petra; 12-12-2006 at 05:57 PM.

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12-12-2006, 02:49 PM	#41
Deane Johnson Active Member Member since:Nov 2006 Location:Omaha, NE	So, if HD-DVD does die off, what will happen to those folks who jumped in? HD-DVD=DIVX?

12-12-2006, 05:06 PM	#49
JTK Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jan 2006 Location:www.blurayoasis.com	I think my sig gives you a ballpark frame of reference for where I think the timetable is right now.

12-12-2006, 05:47 PM	#50
JBlacklow Senior Member Member since:Dec 2006	Man, HD DVD supporters are pulling out all the stops on this one. It's just the PR guys, or Bill Hunt is some random guy with a website, announcements don't matter for product (remember that from the "50GB is years away" days?), and even that this means Disney and Fox are scared. Me? I have the feeling we'll see a Pixar lineup (possibly paired with Apple Blu-ray offerings at Macworld), both PotC films, and some major Miramax titles. Blu-ray is already poised to take the lead in number of titles by the end of February, but the push will gain even more momentum. Hardware-wise, I'm thinking at least one sub-$700 offering.

12-12-2006, 07:41 PM	#55
Rio Active Member Member since:Oct 2006	Less than $500 HD DVD or BD player will not come in 2007 in my opinion, unless someone has a big pocket to subsidize it (like MS). Usually for CE equipment, total BOM cost must be less than half of its retail price. Big companies may require even 1/3 to 1/4 (smaller companies can afford more higher cost). Blue LD only costs around $100 now and is expected to be around $50-$70 by the end of next year. From what I heard, next gen drive itself costs around $250 to $300. It's tooo expensive to make $500 players in the next year.

12-12-2006, 08:11 PM	#56
dobyblue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:71 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:655 Blu-ray reviews: 15	Hiding the truth, that all that's happening over there.

12-12-2006, 10:28 PM	#59
ProvenFlipper Special Member Member since:Jun 2006 Home Theater Gallery:4 4K collection:335 Blu-ray collection:901 Trading Score:1	While the sales of players are important, the sales of BD movies are equally as important. Many people are going to look at the day and date releases, see the DVD is half the price and just buy the DVD. To many people the upconverted DVD is going to look close to the BD anyways. The prices of the discs need to get down to new release DVD prices ASAP.

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