The Official Paradigm Speakers Thread

[-DLS-]

Originally Posted by madrastalkies

first of all i am not sure whether i can talk about pric here..if i cant..lemme know i will delete this post..

help needed...just joined this group to save some money. i am going to paradigm dealer to negotiate Monitor 11 fronts and CC 390 center (3 speakers)
retail price as you all know $1498 pair + $749...
somewhere in emotiva lounge i read CC390 V6 - one person bought it for $399....

can anyone guide me - how much money i can save...

please..

Originally Posted by i JACK o

id say that you could get it all for 2,000$ especially if you pay in cash

I was able to pick up all 3 last year new for less than the price of a pair of Monitor 11's. The U.S. prices now are close to what Canadian prices were last year but I think you should be able to do much better than 2k. Paying cash is always a good thing..

[aces high]

Originally Posted by Morrissey

Actually I was going to see if my dealer would let me upgrade to the 100's V5 including my cc690. Kind of thinking of going to an all black front sound stage. This way if I go all black then I'll never have to go back.

Just tossing the idea around in my head...not sure if they would even do that...Ryan any thoughts since you're a dealer?

What are the 60's not doing for you that makes you want to trade?

[aces high]

Originally Posted by madrastalkies

first of all i am not sure whether i can talk about pric here..if i cant..lemme know i will delete this post..

help needed...just joined this group to save some money. i am going to paradigm dealer to negotiate Monitor 11 fronts and CC 390 center (3 speakers)
retail price as you all know $1498 pair + $749...
somewhere in emotiva lounge i read CC390 V6 - one person bought it for $399....

can anyone guide me - how much money i can save...

please..

When I bought my Monitor 9 v6 and cc390 v6 I paid $1200 for both.

[Morrissey]

Originally Posted by aces high

What are the 60's not doing for you that makes you want to trade?

Very good question...and I'm embarassed to say that they do everything I ask and the only reason I want to upgrade is because all of the talk lately about the 100's. I also love the look of DLS's 'all black' front sound stage and would like that type of look as well. Plus I have been eyeing that Piano Black finish since they came out.

[azereus]

Originally Posted by Morrissey

Very good question...and I'm embarassed to say that they do everything I ask and the only reason I want to upgrade is because all of the talk lately about the 100's. I also love the look of DLS's 'all black' front sound stage and would like that type of look as well. Plus I have been eyeing that Piano Black finish since they came out.

Isn't it funny how that works? I'm perfectly content with my Monitor 9s, yet every single day I spend some portion of my day looking at, researching and reading about Studio series and other speakers as well. Common sense part of me says to lay off and enjoy what I have, but there's another part of me that is planning the next purchase.

[aces high]

Originally Posted by Morrissey

Very good question...and I'm embarassed to say that they do everything I ask and the only reason I want to upgrade is because all of the talk lately about the 100's. I also love the look of DLS's 'all black' front sound stage and would like that type of look as well. Plus I have been eyeing that Piano Black finish since they came out.

Upgrading within the same series ends up not being the upgrade you think it will be, I found out the hard way. I started out with the 10's and it's the same sound only bigger. The only Studio fronts I haven't owned are the 60's. Your next upgrade should be to the Sigs, that's what I should have done. S4 v2's and the C3 v2 would have cost me about the same amd would have been better. Piano Black S4 and C3 is what you should get, just my opinion.

[bigred7078]

Originally Posted by aces high

Upgrading within the same series ends up not being the upgrade you think it will be, I found out the hard way. I started out with the 10's and it's the same sound only bigger. The only Studio fronts I haven't owned are the 60's. Your next upgrade should be to the Sigs, that's what I should have done. S4 v2's and the C3 v2 would have cost me about the same amd would have been better. Piano Black S4 and C3 is what you should get, just my opinion.

+1 that is if he can find the S4 v2's on the used market

[aces high]

Originally Posted by bigred7078

+1 that is if he can find the S4 v2's on the used market

You are right, going from the 60's to 100's is going to cost at least $1000 at this point and you won't notice $1000 difference. If he takes his time and searchs the money will be better spent. If you feel like you just have to buy something right now( I know how this feels) upgrade your surrounds.

[-DLS-]

Originally Posted by Morrissey

Very good question...and I'm embarassed to say that they do everything I ask and the only reason I want to upgrade is because all of the talk lately about the 100's. I also love the look of DLS's 'all black' front sound stage and would like that type of look as well. Plus I have been eyeing that Piano Black finish since they came out.

Thanks man Piano Black would look sweet!! But the Rosenut actually does blend nicely with your Basement. This forum can do that to you... seeing everyone's setup change constantly but I think I did pretty good this past year and am still very happy with it all.

Originally Posted by aces high

Upgrading within the same series ends up not being the upgrade you think it will be, I found out the hard way. I started out with the 10's and it's the same sound only bigger. The only Studio fronts I haven't owned are the 60's. Your next upgrade should be to the Sigs, that's what I should have done. S4 v2's and the C3 v2 would have cost me about the same amd would have been better. Piano Black S4 and C3 is what you should get, just my opinion.

I kind of agree and I kind of don't. I just don't think a full 5.1 or 7.1 Sig setup is worth the upgrade for me. I will possibly get Sigs in the future but only for a 2 channel setup. For HT I feel that for under 5k that I paid for a full 5.1 Studio setup it is very hard to beat!! They do pretty damn good with multi-channel SACD's and DVD-A's too and I plan to keep these for a long time as my main setup..

If I do get Sigs it would also be Piano Black - S6's or even S2's with an Anthem I225 Integrated Amplifier but I'll wait til I have a proper room for 2 ch listening. The Sigs do sound Very Smooth with some 2 ch and probably even better with hi res multi-channel music but for HT it's alot to pay extra over what the Studios are already very good at!!

[aces high]

Originally Posted by -DLS-

Thanks man Piano Black would look sweet!! But the Rosenut actually does blend nicely with your Basement. This forum can do that to you... seeing everyone's setup change constantly but I think I did pretty good this past year and am still very happy with it all.



I kind of agree and I kind of don't. I just don't think a full 5.1 or 7.1 Sig setup is worth the upgrade for me. I will possibly get Sigs in the future but only for a 2 channel setup. For HT I feel that for under 5k that I paid for a full 5.1 Studio setup it is very hard to beat!! They do pretty damn good with multi-channel SACD's and DVD-A's too and I plan to keep these for a long time as my main setup..

If I do get Sigs it would also be Piano Black - S6's or even S2's with an Anthem I225 Integrated Amplifier but I'll wait til I have a proper room for 2 ch listening. The Sigs do sound Very Smooth with some 2 ch and probably even better with hi res multi-channel music but for HT it's alot to pay extra over what the Studios are already very good at!!

I'm the same way, for strictly HT I don't know if the Sigs are worth the investment. The biggest point I was trying to make is that for the money spent upgrading from the 60's to 100's you would get more value and would notice more of a difference going to Sigs. If your starting out with something below the Studio's then the 100's are great. I went from the cc 590 v5 and 20's to the 690 and 100's, taking quite a hit on my 590 in the process. For the amount of money that it cost me the difference wasn't that big. Is it better now? Yes, but not $4000 better. What I should have done if I was hell bent on upgrading ( which I was), my money would have been better spent going up the ladder.

[lDlisturb3d]

Im thinking about getting a Marantz receiver but the ones im looking at are all refurbished as accessories4less. Would you trust a refurb model???

[GAWD]

Alright so I did some demoing today.

found a pair of Studio 60 v4. Store demo wants 1350$...one busted tweeter (they will replace) and pretty scratched up feet. They'd replace half of them I'd get dinged with the other 20$ bill.

The 60s sound beautiful they honestly do but the price doesn't seem so hot to me for demo and being over a year old. they really wouldn't budge. At 1200$ I might have jumped on them. 1350 seems like I'm overpaying Compared them to the v5 and I can't honestly hear a 1k difference. 60v5 at that particular place being 2499+tx

Headed on over to another dealer. They made me audition some totem ... damn I forget if they were the dreamcatchers or rainmakers...anyway bookshelf 1200$ pair. They sounded beautiful at low volume with jazz. In 5.1 they didn't have the bite that I like to their sound. They quoted me a really good price on the 20 v5 so if and when I sell my gear I'm going with the 20 v5. They want 1600-1700+tx for the 60v5 but well out of my price range.

i'll keep you posted on what happens. My heart is telling me buy NEW 20v5...let whatever bass the 60s can produce be handled by my two little over a month old SVS subs.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by lDlisturb3d

Im thinking about getting a Marantz receiver but the ones im looking at are all refurbished as accessories4less. Would you trust a refurb model???

Yes... They have a 1 yr warranty and are very reputable. I am thinking of a refurb Marantz from the same site if for some reason I cannot get the Anthem receiver.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by GAWD

Alright so I did some demoing today.

found a pair of Studio 60 v4. Store demo wants 1350$...one busted tweeter (they will replace) and pretty scratched up feet. They'd replace half of them I'd get dinged with the other 20$ bill.

The 60s sound beautiful they honestly do but the price doesn't seem so hot to me for demo and being over a year old. they really wouldn't budge. At 1200$ I might have jumped on them. 1350 seems like I'm overpaying Compared them to the v5 and I can't honestly hear a 1k difference. 60v5 at that particular place being 2499+tx

Headed on over to another dealer. They made me audition some totem ... damn I forget if they were the dreamcatchers or rainmakers...anyway bookshelf 1200$ pair. They sounded beautiful at low volume with jazz. In 5.1 they didn't have the bite that I like to their sound. They quoted me a really good price on the 20 v5 so if and when I sell my gear I'm going with the 20 v5. They want 1600-1700+tx for the 60v5 but well out of my price range.

i'll keep you posted on what happens. My heart is telling me buy NEW 20v5...let whatever bass the 60s can produce be handled by my two little over a month old SVS subs.

the rainmakers are about $1200 CAD, they are $1050 in the US... SO I take it you like the brighter sound of the Paradigms, because the Totems are decidedly Neutral.

How did the mid-range compare between the 2 speakers?

You should also check out the Dynaudio Focus 110s or the Excite X16s.... their mid-range is just rediculous... esp on the Focus.

[bigred7078]

Originally Posted by -DLS-

I kind of agree and I kind of don't. I just don't think a full 5.1 or 7.1 Sig setup is worth the upgrade for me. I will possibly get Sigs in the future but only for a 2 channel setup. For HT I feel that for under 5k that I paid for a full 5.1 Studio setup it is very hard to beat!! They do pretty damn good with multi-channel SACD's and DVD-A's too and I plan to keep these for a long time as my main setup..

I felt that way at first too, but after selling paradigm speakers for a good amount of time and being able to listen to both sets of speakers all day everyday I feel the Sigs are definitely worth the premium even for HT. They really grow on you after a bit But yeah, thats just my opinion

[aces high]

I'm thinking of selling my 7.1 Studio v5 setup and just wondering what the asking price should be. The speakers are between 1yr and 2 months in age. I'm just looking for some opinions on what it's worth, I have an idea of what I want but that does always translate into what it will sell for. The system is as folllows Studio 100 v5, cc690 v5, adp 590 v5, Studio 20 v5 with j29 stands and Sub 15 with the Perfect Bass Kit. I would also like to include my Pioneer Elite SC-07. I would prefer to sell it as a package but would part it out for the right price, all the speakers are rosenut finish and are in mint condition. The Paradigms sound great but I'm thinking of going with something else, but that all depends on how much I can get for this system. I think I would like to try a Seaton Sound system next.

[-DLS-]

Originally Posted by GAWD

Alright so I did some demoing today.

found a pair of Studio 60 v4. Store demo wants 1350$...one busted tweeter (they will replace) and pretty scratched up feet. They'd replace half of them I'd get dinged with the other 20$ bill.

The 60s sound beautiful they honestly do but the price doesn't seem so hot to me for demo and being over a year old. they really wouldn't budge. At 1200$ I might have jumped on them. 1350 seems like I'm overpaying Compared them to the v5 and I can't honestly hear a 1k difference. 60v5 at that particular place being 2499+tx

Headed on over to another dealer. They made me audition some totem ... damn I forget if they were the dreamcatchers or rainmakers...anyway bookshelf 1200$ pair. They sounded beautiful at low volume with jazz. In 5.1 they didn't have the bite that I like to their sound. They quoted me a really good price on the 20 v5 so if and when I sell my gear I'm going with the 20 v5. They want 1600-1700+tx for the 60v5 but well out of my price range.

i'll keep you posted on what happens. My heart is telling me buy NEW 20v5...let whatever bass the 60s can produce be handled by my two little over a month old SVS subs.

Yeah I think $1350 is too much for a demo pair with Damage. Some sell here(Canada) lately for much less in like new or even mint condition.

The Totems are nice speakers but not for everyone but each model is supposed have a different sound from each other. I don't listen to much jazz or classical music which is from I know what the Totems do really well with.. also acoustic and vocals but that's also an area the Studio do very good at. Totems are known to be pretty laid back which is probably why you felt you didn't get that "bite" like the Paradigms give. The Tribes though are great HT speakers especially for on-walls. They were only powered with 60wpc from a NAD receiver and they sounded BIG!

With your dual subs now I think the 20's would do fine then if you want you can always move them back if you want bigger fronts and can do 7.2.

[-DLS-]

Originally Posted by bigred7078

I felt that way at first too, but after selling paradigm speakers for a good amount of time and being able to listen to both sets of speakers all day everyday I feel the Sigs are definitely worth the premium even for HT. They really grow on you after a bit But yeah, thats just my opinion

True I probably shouldn't judge them for HT since I never actually even heard a full setup. Any place I've visited only had them setup as 2 ch rigs. I've never even seen the C5's but from the pictures they look CRAZY! I have heard the S6's(v2's and v3's) a few times and I love how they sound!

Still I'm pretty happy with my HT setup and can't think of spending that much for a full setup right now.. I'm 30 and got 4 kids my wife would not be happy. I'm just glad that we all spend alot of time in our HT so she knows what we spent is well worth it.

[bigred7078]

Originally Posted by -DLS-

I'm just glad that we all spend alot of time in our HT so she knows what we spent is well worth it.

[-DLS-]

Originally Posted by aces high

I'm thinking of selling my 7.1 Studio v5 setup and just wondering what the asking price should be. The speakers are between 1yr and 2 months in age. I'm just looking for some opinions on what it's worth, I have an idea of what I want but that does always translate into what it will sell for. The system is as folllows Studio 100 v5, cc690 v5, adp 590 v5, Studio 20 v5 with j29 stands and Sub 15 with the Perfect Bass Kit. I would also like to include my Pioneer Elite SC-07. I would prefer to sell it as a package but would part it out for the right price, all the speakers are rosenut finish and are in mint condition. The Paradigms sound great but I'm thinking of going with something else, but that all depends on how much I can get for this system. I think I would like to try a Seaton Sound system next.

You've been on the AVS forums lately huh!? I've read some great things about Seaton Sound and also JTR's.

This guys setup is one of the most interesting threads I've found on that site! He went through a LOT of good - high end - speakers before going to JTR's!