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- All past, present & future players & movies are guaranteed compatibility w/ each other
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Not for all features. There is at least one HD DVD fan who has claimed that Toshiba has guaranteed this, but they have not from anything I've seen, and from what has been discussed behind the scenes, they aren't done making changes. The movie will work for Blu-ray players and some seem to be confused by HD DVD players all being compatible with the main features up until this point, as if that was some guarantee that everything in the future will be compatible with them. The HD DVD group is working on more things for the future (it would be a shame if they weren't) and as one example, the TL51s may have only the first 2 layers work in all current players. Some on the HD DVD side know that they can claim these discs will work in current players and then later define "work" as the first 2 layers are reliable, but the 3rd layer isn't in some players (letting the studios know not to put important things on the last layer if they want them to work in all players). My understanding is that this stuff is still somewhat up in the air though. I think Toshiba wants to push out coming clean on this until they have to (or maybe they'll be able to figure out how to get the 3rd layer to work reliably in more players).
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Originally Posted by Studio Support
(HD)DVD flippers are quite successful, and have positive feedback from consumers. The soon to come 51GB Tripple Layer HD DVD/DVD discs are going to replace these flippers and the SD DVD's.
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I haven't seen anything about any 51GB triple player discs that include a DVD layer (which would require 4 layers, with the DVD layer), so what are you talking about? Are you confused about triple layer discs which include a DVD layer, not realizing that they aren't 51GB then? Did you have a typo? Please explain.
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Unfortunately for Blu-Ray, this Triple Layer Disc is an HD DVD offence that Blu-Ray is completely defenceless with. And the DVD Forum is really serious about this. Just to give you an example of the strength in this concept, Paramount sold 8.5 Million Transformer DVD's & over 190,000 HD DVD's. If this movie came out on a Triple Layer (HD) DVD, then we are talking about 8.7 Million sold in the first week alone. If somebody wants to buy it, it will ONLY be available on this Triple Layer Disc, which is an incentive to later on go & purchase a HD DVD stand alone player.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/d...r-hd-dvd-spec/
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And who is going to finance the cost of doing that? Will the pricing be at DVD pricing, or HD DVD pricing to consumers? Have you looked into how much capacity HD DVD has for making these discs? You say you are a reporter, so are you asking the smart questions? Just because HD DVD can make 30GB HD DVDs on current machines, that doesn't mean they can make these triple layer, one sided discs with 2 HD DVD layers and one DVD layer on those same machines without major modifications, and that they can make them reliably. We've already seen how much trouble they've had making 2 sided discs with 2 HD DVD layers on one side and 1 HD DVD layer on another side. And multiple HD DVD fans have been threatening no DVD release for a major title for a long time. Have you been using that argument for a long time, or is it one you picked up recently? Why do you think they haven't done it over a year and a half into the format, when some of us were talking about it over 2 years ago? Do you think they just haven't been smart enough to do it, or that there are some real business reasons they haven't done it at this point?
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HD DVD & Blu-Ray are 100% identicle in PQ & AQ. Just look at the reviews. HD DVD are on 30GB and BD is on 25GB & 50GB.
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As a reporter, do you have contacts behind the scenes who can be trusted to tell you the truth about what has gone on with respect to this stuff? If so, maybe you should talk to them. BTW: If somebody thought that Amir was trustworthy, then I would think they were fairly gullible, so hopefully if you are going to talk to some people, you are going to find one or more who are truly trustworthy. Are you in favor of having extras be in standard definition for a high definition format? This is one way they've had enough room for the movie, but high definition extras are likely to become more common with time and Blu-ray seems to have been using high definition for the extras more than HD DVD. Are you in favor of dropping lossless audio for an HD DVD after it is realized that it is going to be difficult to do without degradation of the video, if it is left in? Are you in favor of what it looks like New Line is doing with including 24 bit 7.1 lossless audio, or against it? Do you know anything about how doing that affects what is left for video on HD DVD? How about Warner using 16 bit even for masters that are 24 bit, which makes it easier to compress the video with HD DVD's limitations? Here there are Blu-ray releases with 16 bit, but at least the Blu-ray exclusive studios have been moving to 20 bit or more when they can reasonably, from what I've seen.
Do you know anything about seamless branching and how this adds difficulty for the compressionist (especially with HD DVD's limitations) and how at least one HD DVD studio has been looking into using seamless branching for stuff that doesn't even benefit consumers?
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The only 50 GB discs I've seen from BD movies is 25GB was used for the movie while the other 25 was used for PIP.
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We all have areas where we lack knowledge and there is nothing wrong with that. The respectable thing to do in those cases is to acknowledge that and learn. Even without the other things above, this last one shows that you have a fair amount to learn about these formats, if you believe that the only 50GB discs are ones with a 2nd encode for PiP. There is a chance that Blu-ray has sold more BD50 discs with movies that didn't have this 2nd encode for PiP (there are very few of those) than HD DVD has sold total discs. If you go find how many of each release has sold, what disc type it is and whether it has PiP with a 2nd encode, I think you will find that more than half of all BDs sold have been BD50s without a 2nd PiP encode. If you find a list of the top 10 selling releases across both formats, at least half are probably BD50s (and not with a 2nd encode for PiP like you mentioned).
How many BDs have you seen? Doesn't seem like many given your above comment, or you didn't know they were BD50s.
I hope you will be open to learning, as many of us only got to our level of knowledge about this stuff by being open to learning along the way.
EDIT: Also, not sure where the 25GB for the movie and 25GB for the PiP comes from. Looks like somebody's incorrect assumption. The PiP encode doesn't need to take up as much space for multiple reasons (and didn't on
Crank, one of the few titles that used that approach). For one thing, the audio is usually 2 channel on PiP tracks and much lower bitrate. Also, people are watching with another picture hard coded into the main picture, so it can be given less priority as far as the most pristine video, as it was on
Crank (it was encoded at a lower bitrate). But that is also a short term approach and I'm not sure that even 5 movies out of probably 150+ BD50 releases have done the dual encode thing.
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