The Golden Compass

[aristotles]

Originally Posted by darinp2

Just want to be clear. Do you feel the Narnia books and movies are unsuitable for children or school curriculum also?

--Darin

Do the Narnia books advocate overthrow of civil governments? Do they try to twist the meaning of established themes of good and evil? Are the Narnia books different from other morality tales?

Are the books of Narnia attacking a specific group in society or are they a positive morality tale? No.

[aristotles]

Open mindedness is has nothing to do with having an open mind at all but rather it is a code word for having a countercultural viewpoint that clashes with the religious or secular establishment.

Let's call a spade a spade. Nobody is truly open minded. Everyone has a bias.

BTW. I don't get why some of you are so afraid to discuss religion like you might "catch" something. I'd like to coin a new term religiophobe. Some of you are religiophobes or Deity-phobes.

[MasterXeus]

Originally Posted by aristotles

Open mindedness is has nothing to do with having an open mind at all but rather it is a code word for having a countercultural viewpoint that clashes with the religious or secular establishment.

Let's call a spade a spade. Nobody is truly open minded. Everyone has a bias.

BTW. I don't get why some of you are so afraid to discuss religion like you might "catch" something. I'd like to coin a new term religiophobe. Some of you are religiophobes or Deity-phobes.

Ok.... since I said I'm going to watch the movie with an open mind. You think I'm using it as a code word for having a countercultural viewpoint that clashes with the religious or secular establishment. I hate to say this but what a bunch of BS. You’re right no one is truly bias, everyone as an opinion. In my opinion since I haven’t read the books or watch the movies how can Bias toward them. I’ll watch the movie and then I’ll pass judgment.

As far as some of us are so afraid to discuss religion, I don’t think we are afraid to discuss it, I think it more the fact that this isn’t the place to discuss it.

[Steverhcp02]

Originally Posted by aristotles

Do the Narnia books advocate overthrow of civil governments? Do they try to twist the meaning of established themes of good and evil? Are the Narnia books different from other morality tales?

Are the books of Narnia attacking a specific group in society or are they a positive morality tale? No.

And therein lies the issue morals are subjective....would you steal medicine if you couldnt afford the exuberant fee to save your dieing mother? Or would you do the law abiding thing and watch her die. Or justify the stealing as the folks who are responsible for the meds sit on their yacht or in their 4 million dollar home?

Some call it blasphemy, others call it art. The problem i have with the issue is christians are supposed to be loving and tolerant of ALL folks, even those who denounce god......yet modern religion and society has put us into a good vs evil postion on everything. We always argue one side is right and one is wrong......everything isnt black and white, grayness is where all the answers are and that isnt tolerated in modern religion. Its my way or the highway, this mindset has never proven successful in humanity. Dictatorship anyone?. There is no matter of fact answer to anything let alone faith in a supernatural being no one can prove even exists......

The thing is, religious folks try picking the fights that are easy or that are cheap. They attack cinema, literature, opinions......yet they ignore real issues like Aids, world hunger, Darfur.....things god should actually care about....does god care more about The Golden Compass, or millions of people dieing due to starvation or curable diseases in 3rd world countries.

Morals, ha....sometimes i feel as an atheist i may be judged on my contributions to society better than most of the vocal christians i see.....judge me on my actions not my preaching.....this gives me faith, ill lead a good life, if when i die i face teh big guy upstairs ill shwo him my resume.....it will probably blow all of those part time christians out of the water as far as how i left this world.....they can spend their time screaming until theyre blue in the face of Da Vinci's Code or The Golden Compass.....ill be volunterring at big brother big sister and donating funds to help cure cancer.....sorry if i sleep in and watch football on sundays, im pretty comortable with my contributions....dont talk to me about morals

[DealsR4theDevil]

Originally Posted by Steverhcp02

And therein lies the issue morals are subjective....would you steal medicine if you couldnt afford the exuberant fee to save your dieing mother? Or would you do the law abiding thing and watch her die. Or justify the stealing as the folks who are responsible for the meds sit on their yacht or in their 4 million dollar home?

Some call it blasphemy, others call it art. The problem i have with the issue is christians are supposed to be loving and tolerant of ALL folks, even those who denounce god......yet modern religion and society has put us into a good vs evil postion on everything. We always argue one side is right and one is wrong......everything isnt black and white, grayness is where all the answers are and that isnt tolerated in modern religion. Its my way or the highway, this mindset has never proven successful in humanity. Dictatorship anyone?. There is no matter of fact answer to anything let alone faith in a supernatural being no one can prove even exists......

The thing is, religious folks try picking the fights that are easy or that are cheap. They attack cinema, literature, opinions......yet they ignore real issues like Aids, world hunger, Darfur.....things god should actually care about....does god care more about The Golden Compass, or millions of people dieing due to starvation or curable diseases in 3rd world countries.

Morals, ha....sometimes i feel as an atheist i may be judged on my contributions to society better than most of the vocal christians i see.....judge me on my actions not my preaching.....this gives me faith, ill lead a good life, if when i die i face teh big guy upstairs ill shwo him my resume.....it will probably blow all of those part time christians out of the water as far as how i left this world.....they can spend their time screaming until theyre blue in the face of Da Vinci's Code or The Golden Compass.....ill be volunterring at big brother big sister and donating funds to help cure cancer.....sorry if i sleep in and watch football on sundays, im pretty comortable with my contributions....dont talk to me about morals

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[werewuf]

This movie is only running at 40% at Rotten Tomatoes, seems the team of Nicole Kidman and Daniel Craig are the kiss of death with reviewers (The Invasion tanked big time). The Golden Compass probably won't do any better at the box office either, but that does remain to be seen.....

[doctorsteve]

Originally Posted by werewuf

...seems the team of Nicole Kidman and Daniel Craig are the kiss of death with reviewers (The Invasion tanked big time). The Golden Compass probably won't do any better at the box office either, but that does remain to be seen.....

Translation: I totally know what I'm talking about. But then again, maybe not.

It seems to me it won't do as well as a Stan Laurel and Veronica Lake vehicle set in mid-town Detroit during the potato famine because it takes place on a Tuesday.

So you are honestly saying a movie with CGI polar bears and children as the main characters in settings involving snow will do better than "The Invasion" during Christmas?

Your examples and comparisons are lackluster, to say the least.

[werewuf]

Originally Posted by doctorsteve

Translation: I totally know what I'm talking about. But then again, maybe not.

It seems to me it won't do as well as a Stan Laurel and Veronica Lake vehicle set in mid-town Detroit during the potato famine because it takes place on a Tuesday.

So you are honestly saying a movie with CGI polar bears and children as the main characters in settings involving snow will do better than "The Invasion" during Christmas?

Your examples and comparisons are lackluster, to say the least.

So you are here just to be a pain in the behind, or do you actually have something relevant to say?

[doctorsteve]

[QUOTE=Steverhcp02;386187]would you steal medicine if you couldnt afford the exuberant fee to save your dieing mother?

Exuberant - doesn't that mean excited, over the top?

I think you're looking for "exorbitant". Way beyond the norm.

[Right of Might]

Originally Posted by aristotles

Do the Narnia books advocate overthrow of civil governments? Do they try to twist the meaning of established themes of good and evil? Are the Narnia books different from other morality tales?

Are the books of Narnia attacking a specific group in society or are they a positive morality tale? No.

Ah but see I think the point he was trying to make is that if you argue that the fact that Pullman's books being available to kids in public schools would violate the separation of church and state, the Christian undertones in the Narnia books would have to be subject to the same scrutiny...Which I thought was a good point.

I don't think anyone here is afraid to debate religion, it's just that most of us feel that this forum isn't the right place to do it. Another big point is that so what if something comes along and shakes the pillars of Heaven (Yes that was a Big Trouble in Little China reference, which by the way can't come to Blu soon enough) and make you go hmmm. Should it change your religion, no. Could it? Maybe but doubtful. If your strong in your faith No one should be able to shake you away form it. About it swaying young children...don't even get me F-ing started. Parents need more accountability about who and what is raising their kids. If you argue that these books should be pulled because of their content and their so called ability to sway young minds, then you should pull every media based reference material that doesn't follow base Christian guidelines. Goodbye, WoW, R rated movies, Hell most movies, most if not all video games, 90% of t.v. and music. Do you see where this is going? It's the responsibility of parents to raise their kids not fictional media. I don't think anyone that reads the books or sees the movies will start a new religion to destroy God.