The Avatar Blu-ray Release Thread

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by odvan

Once again, they've never said this. They keep telling people wants 3D experience and Avatar grosses show it but nothing about 3D panels, cause there are no content yet.

Yeah well its not like Avatars creaters have done anything to help that problem. By keeping the 3D version out of the hands of all non-Panasonic 3DTV owners and then only the theatrical cut.

[odvan]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Yeah well its not like Avatars creaters have done anything to help that problem. By keeping the 3D version out of the hands of all non-Panasonic 3DTV owners and then only the theatrical cut.

So one movie, nevertheless it's great 3D movie, would satisfy 3D panels owners? Or I have some problems with math? 1 doesn't equal 100, 500, 1000.

The process has started, but industry need some time. One title wouldn't feel libraries.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by odvan

So one movie, nevertheless it's great 3D movie, would satisfy 3D panels owners? Or I have some problems with math? 1 doesn't equal 100, 500, 1000.

The process has started, but industry need some time. One title wouldn't feel libraries.

Well Avatar is the highest grossing and most technically impressive movie of all time. Its also the best live action 3D movie in the last 50 years though that is admittingly faint praise when its competition is movies like Journey to the Center of the Earth, Jaws 3, and My Bloody Valentine. A general retail 3D version of the extended edition would be a huge boom to the 3D market. What bothers me most though is that holding back the 3D version is such a patented example of greed from filmmakers who denounce the greed of others. Holding back the 3D version is the most hypocritcal thing in the history of hypocracy.

[scrapser]

I watched the extended collector's version (the longest version) over the weekend. I must say it really added depth to the plot and removed some of the feeling that something was missing. It also toned down the "Dances with Wolves" feel that the theatrical release had. I'm glad I got it.

I also watched the deleted scenes and discovered there were some significant plot developments that were completely cut from the storyline. It's a shame the studio didn't finish them completely and include them in an even longer version. They really would have added a lot to the drama. The whole "white guy goes native" thing would have been pretty much eliminated and the plot would have shown the conflict and subterfuge between the scientists/Avatars/Na'vi and the security mercs/corporate suits as it was originally intended.

Oh well...not much can be done I suppose unless JC decides to resurrect the scenes while filming the next two sequels and release yet another version of the first movie. You have to remember the sequels will (or at least should) build off what happened in the first movie unless of course they tell some things as flashbacks. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

[s00perd00per]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Well Avatar is the highest grossing and most technically impressive movie of all time. Its also the best live action 3D movie in the last 50 years though that is admittingly faint praise when its competition is movies like Journey to the Center of the Earth, Jaws 3, and My Bloody Valentine. A general retail 3D version of the extended edition would be a huge boom to the 3D market. What bothers me most though is that holding back the 3D version is such a patented example of greed from filmmakers who denounce the greed of others. Holding back the 3D version is the most hypocritcal thing in the history of hypocracy.

I see you posting a lot about 3D so I thought I'd ask. I wasn't able to watch this in 3D in theaters but I managed to check out a 3D demo of it at Best Buy. While the objects that are the focal point of the scene such as the actors or plants in the foreground looked sharp and had depth, the background seemed flat sort of like those aquariums, which have undersea wallpapers behind it. Is this how it looked in the screen or was there something wrong with the Best Buy demo?

[DRS]

Originally Posted by scrapser

I watched the extended collector's version (the longest version) over the weekend. I must say it really added depth to the plot and removed some of the feeling that something was missing. It also toned down the "Dances with Wolves" feel that the theatrical release had. I'm glad I got it.

I also watched the deleted scenes and discovered there were some significant plot developments that were completely cut from the storyline. It's a shame the studio didn't finish them completely and include them in an even longer version. They really would have added a lot to the drama. The whole "white guy goes native" thing would have been pretty much eliminated and the plot would have shown the conflict and subterfuge between the scientists/Avatars/Na'vi and the security mercs/corporate suits as it was originally intended.

Oh well...not much can be done I suppose unless JC decides to resurrect the scenes while filming the next two sequels and release yet another version of the first movie. You have to remember the sequels will (or at least should) build off what happened in the first movie unless of course they tell some things as flashbacks. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

The feeling that several of the deleted scenes should have been finished/included in the extended seems to be pretty universal from what Ive seen.

I know they will get flak for another "dip" but I hope that in 2014, before the sequel comes out, they finish some of the additional scenes and release an even longer cut. Theres at least 20 minutes worth of scenes I want to see finished.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by s00perd00per

I see you posting a lot about 3D so I thought I'd ask. I wasn't able to watch this in 3D in theaters but I managed to check out a 3D demo of it at Best Buy. While the objects that are the focal point of the scene such as the actors or plants in the foreground looked sharp and had depth, the background seemed flat sort of like those aquariums, which have undersea wallpapers behind it. Is this how it looked in the screen or was there something wrong with the Best Buy demo?

Saw the Best Buy demo and didn't notice anything of what you say. The demo I saw had fantastic depth throughout. Best Buy is not the best place to try the 3D out. The screens are rarely properly calibrated and the bright lights of the store introduce glar. However despite this I thought Avatar 3D produced a fantastic picture.

[odvan]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Well Avatar is the highest grossing and most technically impressive movie of all time. Its also the best live action 3D movie in the last 50 years though that is admittingly faint praise when its competition is movies like Journey to the Center of the Earth, Jaws 3, and My Bloody Valentine. A general retail 3D version of the extended edition would be a huge boom to the 3D market. What bothers me most though is that holding back the 3D version is such a patented example of greed from filmmakers who denounce the greed of others. Holding back the 3D version is the most hypocritcal thing in the history of hypocracy.

How exactly one title would be a huge boom? Studio and production companies would shot announced 3D film faster? Would shift relise dates? Yea, I imagine Sony who pushed spiderman 3D one year earlier only because Avatar would be released in 3D BD. Quite logically. Or studios when saw astonishing 200K number of Avatar 3D copies sold would hurry conversions of old titles? What for? A lot of titles doesn't have even BD transfers.

Do you really think people should or will buy 3D panels (the whole package costs around 2K) only for watching dozen of 3D movies? And most of them cartoons? And in 2-3 year first 3D panels would be outdated like it happens with all new technologies.

Jeez. Use a bit of thinking next time. I know it's a hard task for you but still.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by odvan

How exactly one title would be a huge boom? Studio and production companies would shot film faster annouced 3D titles? Would shift relise dates? Yea, I imagine Sony who pushed spiderman 3D one year earlier only because Avatar would be released in 3D BD. Quite logically. Or studios when saw astonishing 200K number of Avatar 3D copies sold would hurry conversions of old titles? What for? A lot of titles doesn't have even BD transfers.

Do you really think people should or will buy 3D panels (the whole package costs around 2K) only for watching dozen of 3D movies? And most of them cartoons? And in 2-3 year first 3D panels would be outdated like it happens with all new technologies.

Jeez. Use a bit of thinking next time. I know it's a hard task for you but still.

You seem to not see the circular reasoning. 3Ds adoptions biggest hurdle is lack of content. Most who are interested in 3D but haven't bought it yet are only doing so because there are so few titles avalible at retail. 3D is small because of the lack of titles and that justifies studios in releasing less titles.

Big 3D theatrical titles like Avatar, Toy Story 3, and How to Train Your Dragon getting big 2D only retail versions is a massive slap in the face to early adopters.

[Adrock]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

You seem to not see the circular reasoning. 3Ds adoptions biggest hurdle is lack of content. Most who are interested in 3D but haven't bought it yet are only doing so because there are so few titles avalible at retail. 3D is small because of the lack of titles and that justifies studios in releasing less titles.

Big 3D theatrical titles like Avatar, Toy Story 3, and How to Train Your Dragon getting big 2D only retail versions is a massive slap in the face to early adopters.

Can we get back to talking about Avatar, since this is the Avatar Blu-Ray release thread?

Seriously, the amount of thread crapping you do with your "Not Enough 3D Content" garbage is really old at this point. We get it, you are mad that studios release bundled 3D movies and it is slowing the adoption of 3D in your opinion. Now MOVE on!

[Adrock]

I watched the Extended version of Avatar this weekend (with the 16 additional minutes.) I really liked some of the scenes that were not in the theatrical. I enjoyed how some of the extra scenes seemed to give more connection and depth to Neytiri and Jake's relationship. I also thought the scenes with the other animals were pretty cool.

I wasn't really a big fan of the alternate introduction, it wasn't bad, but I don't think it added much to the overall story or even to Jake's back story. It was kind of neat to see "Earth" though.

Overall, I was pretty happy with the Extended version. I haven't had a chance to dig into more of the special features yet, but there definitely some that look pretty neat. Anyone have any recommendations on any of the special features that you have seen and really enjoyed?

[odvan]

Originally Posted by s00perd00per

I see you posting a lot about 3D so I thought I'd ask. I wasn't able to watch this in 3D in theaters but I managed to check out a 3D demo of it at Best Buy. While the objects that are the focal point of the scene such as the actors or plants in the foreground looked sharp and had depth, the background seemed flat sort of like those aquariums, which have undersea wallpapers behind it. Is this how it looked in the screen or was there something wrong with the Best Buy demo?

It's called shallow focus. 3D picture could use only shallow focus in close-ups. It's how your eyes works. You can see clearly thing which in focus. The peripheral vision is blurred.

[odvan]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

You seem to not see the circular reasoning. 3Ds adoptions biggest hurdle is lack of content. Most who are interested in 3D but haven't bought it yet are only doing so because there are so few titles avalible at retail. 3D is small because of the lack of titles and that justifies studios in releasing less titles.

Big 3D theatrical titles like Avatar, Toy Story 3, and How to Train Your Dragon getting big 2D only retail versions is a massive slap in the face to early adopters.

Are you good at math? How even 10 titles would radically solves lack of content? There are just no point to release 3D BD at this moment. From business point of view. But who wants can buy Panni 3D or downloaded the whole Avatar 3D BD from torrents. For free. How it will force people buy 3D panels? No way.

[s00perd00per]

Originally Posted by odvan

It's called shallow focus. 3D picture could use only shallow focus in close-ups. It's how your eyes works. You can see clearly thing which in focus. The peripheral vision is blurred.

Interesting to know. Thanks!

[supercutz]

Just watched the extended cut and honestly it should have been what we saw in the theaters. The movie feels complete. The theatrical version actually feels incomplete when I watch it now.

[DRS]

Originally Posted by supercutz

Just watched the extended cut and honestly it should have been what we saw in the theaters. The movie feels complete. The theatrical version actually feels incomplete when I watch it now.

Unfortunately, there was no way it could have been the theatrical cut, since the movie had to remain under 170 minutes (I think around 166 due to trailers, etc) for IMAX

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by odvan

How exactly one title would be a huge boom? Studio and production companies would shot announced 3D film faster? Would shift relise dates? Yea, I imagine Sony who pushed spiderman 3D one year earlier only because Avatar would be released in 3D BD. Quite logically. Or studios when saw astonishing 200K number of Avatar 3D copies sold would hurry conversions of old titles? What for? A lot of titles doesn't have even BD transfers.

Do you really think people should or will buy 3D panels (the whole package costs around 2K) only for watching dozen of 3D movies? And most of them cartoons? And in 2-3 year first 3D panels would be outdated like it happens with all new technologies.

Jeez. Use a bit of thinking next time. I know it's a hard task for you but still.

Umm, all tv's are outdated in a few years (the exception bieng the Kuro). What's your point?

Originally Posted by supercutz

Just watched the extended cut and honestly it should have been what we saw in the theaters. The movie feels complete. The theatrical version actually feels incomplete when I watch it now.

Originally Posted by DRS

Unfortunately, there was no way it could have been the theatrical cut, since the movie had to remain under 170 minutes (I think around 166 due to trailers, etc) for IMAX

The cut in cinemas is James Camerons prefered version and he has stated this many times (he also said it is how he wanted the film and the length of imax etc did not affect his decision).

Originally Posted by odvan

Are you good at math? How even 10 titles would radically solves lack of content? There are just no point to release 3D BD at this moment. From business point of view. But who wants can buy Panni 3D or downloaded the whole Avatar 3D BD from torrents. For free. How it will force people buy 3D panels? No way.

I fell that there is plenty of cotent. I have a dozen or so 3d films (coraline, avatar etc), black ops is 3d (killzone 3 will be in 3d). That is a lot of 3d use I am getting.

[DrNegative]

Originally Posted by Suntory_Times

The cut in cinemas is James Camerons prefered version and he has stated this many times (he also said it is how he wanted the film and the length of imax etc did not affect his decision).

Watch this video of him explaining several other reasons he cut the film down to the original-theatrical release version.

He states in the video that he wanted to be conservative with the original cut as he thought the audiences would have viewing fatigue from the 3D and in his opinion how audiences typically dislike "long movies" in general.

But make no mistake, from a business standpoint, going over the IMAX film-platter limits would have been very counter-productive. He doesn't have to mention that, considering the over $200 million which IMAX alone raked in for the film. That is more than most other films' entire grosses. I would bet real money that 170 minutes maximum was in his head every time he talked to his editors....or whenever Fox talked to him.

[odvan]

Originally Posted by Suntory_Times

Umm, all tv's are outdated in a few years (the exception bieng the Kuro). What's your point?

Today we have only 1st generation of panels with proper 3D. Next generation would be a big improvement, bigger than difference between last year and this year usual panels. Because it's new technologies.

I fell that there is plenty of cotent. I have a dozen or so 3d films (coraline, avatar etc), black ops is 3d (killzone 3 will be in 3d). That is a lot of 3d use I am getting.

I think common consumers wouldn't agree. But what I want to tell, today Avatar 3D BD from business perspective absolutely pointless release. Fox wouldn't earn much. Panni has it's own deal. If you have Samsung or another tv - just download it from torrents. But I'm refusing to understand this whining about 3D BD release.

[aggienader08]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Big 3D theatrical titles like Avatar, Toy Story 3, and How to Train Your Dragon getting big 2D only retail versions is a massive slap in the face to early adopters.

Most early adopters do get slapped in the face, but that's only the problem of the early adopter, no body else. That's not just with 3D, that's with everything else chief.

Originally Posted by odvan

It's how your eyes works. You can see clearly thing which in focus.

Originally Posted by odvan

Are you good at math? How even 10 titles would radically solves lack of content? There are just no point to release 3D BD at this moment. From business point of view. But who wants can buy Panni 3D or downloaded the whole Avatar 3D BD from torrents. For free. How it will force people buy 3D panels? No way.

The one major thing holding you back in your quest to rid the world of 3D in the "Avatar Blu-ray Release Thread" is your grammar. Are you really speaking from a "business perspective"?

Can we please move onto talking about this fantastic Extended Cut release?