The rumor is that Warner is coming aboard soon

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by Preditor74

While I am not necessarily getting a bad feeling...I do think the Blu Boys are counting their chickens before they hatched.

Yes it makes all the sense in the world to go BD exclusive...but that doesn't mean its going to happen. There still is a chance...granted not a big one...but a chance they will go HD-DVD.

As a owner of both formats...and looking at this from an HD-DVD perspective...I could see Warner going HD-DVD exclusive and only hoping for the rest of the BD studios to follow suit and at least go nuetral.

However, my personal preference is for them to go Blu exclusive because I believe that it will end this war faster. But if they did go HD-DVD...I can't see it being the end of HDM like people are rallying...just the begining of the end for Blu Ray (which will take a long time to die out).

No one is overconfident. PLEASE don't play the wild card here as this sort of attitude has been reserved primarily for red-owners. It was red-fanboys who started the notorious WB rumor and threw this forum off. It was and is red owners who have been extremely vocal about WB going exclusively to the red side. And it has been red owners who have continuously trumpeted the fact that WB is more interested in SA hardware sales than software sales.

So, DON'T play the sane prophet role here as I have repeatedly said on many forums that it is Christmas and Q4 results that will guide WB and their future positioning in the war. Based on what they have revealed to the media. This is hardly the case with the propaganda team on a few other sides the red camp has dispatched to muddle the waters...claiming that WB is locked in future red deal.

ALL THINGS CONSIDERED THE BLU COMMUNITY HAS BEEN VERY CAUTIOUS and level-headed!

Dr. A

[Steverhcp02]

Originally Posted by LeoneFan

I don't see Warner going Blu exclusive. They've had their noses up HDDVD's ass since the beginning and they still do. Look at all their ads on TV and magazine, the HDDVD version of the release is always in front of the Blu-ray covering it up. Warner has a big ego and I wouldn't be surprised if they think that if they went with HDDVD then it would win based on their support alone. I hope I'm wrong but after the Paramount debacle anything is possible.

Nickerson gone.......announcement of evaluating current stance, BD winning every week this year + Potter domination imminent, increased PS3 sales world wide (OMG check out Europe) PS3 1.1 updatable, lower BD player prices, HD DVD firesale not launching that format = ummmmmmmm BD exclusive go?

[Rob Tomlin]

Originally Posted by LeoneFan

I don't see Warner going Blu exclusive.

How shocking coming from you!

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

No one is overconfident. PLEASE don't play the wild card here as this sort of attitude has been reserved primarily for red-owners. It was red-fanboys who started the notorious WB rumor and threw this forum off. It was and is red owners who have been extremely vocal about WB going exclusively to the red side. And it has been red owners who have continuously trumpeted the fact that WB is more interested in SA hardware sales than software sales.

So, DON'T play the sane prophet role here as I have repeatedly said on many forums that it is Christmas and Q4 results that will guide WB and their future positioning in the war. Based on what they have revealed to the media. This is hardly the case with the propaganda team on a few other sides the red camp has dispatched to muddle the waters...claiming that WB is locked in future red deal.

ALL THINGS CONSIDERED THE BLU COMMUNITY HAS BEEN VERY CAUTIOUS and level-headed!

Dr. A

Well said Doc!

[SpikesBluBlooded]

Originally Posted by Steverhcp02

Nickerson gone.......announcement of evaluating current stance, BD winning every week this year + Potter domination imminent, increased PS3 sales world wide (OMG check out Europe) PS3 1.1 updatable, lower BD player prices, HD DVD firesale not launching that format = ummmmmmmm BD exclusive go?

Very well put. As has been said many times, there's just too much smoke to be ignored, and it doesn't all have to source back to Warner, either. The poster who stated that Warner could go HD DVD exclusive might as well say that a comet is going to hit the Earth next week. Could it happen? Sure, nothing's impossible until after the fact, but how probable is it?

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by jason_grumpy

The Invasion (1/8/08)
The Brave one (2/05/08)
No Reservations (2/12/08)
Justice League: the New Frontier (2/26/08)
Appleseed Ex Machina (3/11/08)
Bonnie & Clyde (4/25/08)
Twister (5/6/08)

Now compare that to the 5-15 movies being released per month by Warner throughout most of 2007. October 23rd had 6 movies released alone.

January 16, 2007
GoodFellas (Warner)
Scooby-Doo (2002) (Warner)

January 30, 2007
Beerfest (Warner)
The Wicker Man (2006) (Warner)

February 13, 2007
The Departed (Warner)

February 27, 2007
Bullitt (Warner)
The Getaway (1972) (Warner)

March 27, 2007
Happy Feet (Warner)
March of the Penguins (Warner)
National Geographic: Relentless Enemies (Warner)

Those are the movies released by Warner Bros. on Blu-ray during the first three months of 2007. They offered four more in April, four more in May, four more in June, four more in July, four more in August, and expanded to 15 in September.

Oh, BTW, "The Invasion" was delayed til January 29th. Warner Bros. has no titles announced (outside of New Line titles) after next week until January 29th (aside from a music title which could easily be delayed).

~Alan

[Sonny]

no response from them yet...

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by LeoneFan

I don't see Warner going Blu exclusive. They've had their noses up HDDVD's ass since the beginning and they still do. Look at all their ads on TV and magazine, the HDDVD version of the release is always in front of the Blu-ray covering it up. Warner has a big ego and I wouldn't be surprised if they think that if they went with HDDVD then it would win based on their support alone. I hope I'm wrong but after the Paramount debacle anything is possible.

I did not see Paramount going red either. And I have some pretty credible colleagues to refer to.

Fact of the matter is that the presence of Microsoft in the red camp makes such a move that much more elusive. No one could deny it. They have the means to destroy the BDA's advantage in the war. This being said however as much as our community is frustrated with this fiasco so are more than a few level-headed gentlemen at some key posts.

What does this means?

It means that the only thing we could do is keep buying BR software and ratchet up the WB sales numbers. Anyone who tells you that sales are minuscule and don't matter is flat out a demagogue. Much like a few notable "neutral" analysts whose favorite line is "the market and sales are so small it is too early to make a call".

It isn't and it is not!

The future is happening now!!

Dr. A

[SpikesBluBlooded]

Give them until the end of the week. After that, this subject is fair game again...

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by Alan Gordon

January 16, 2007
GoodFellas (Warner)
Scooby-Doo (2002) (Warner)

January 30, 2007
Beerfest (Warner)
The Wicker Man (2006) (Warner)

February 13, 2007
The Departed (Warner)

February 27, 2007
Bullitt (Warner)
The Getaway (1972) (Warner)

March 27, 2007
Happy Feet (Warner)
March of the Penguins (Warner)
National Geographic: Relentless Enemies (Warner)

Those are the movies released by Warner Bros. on Blu-ray during the first three months of 2007.

Oh, BTW, "The Invasion" was delayed til January 29th. Warner Bros. has no titles announced (outside of New Line titles) after next week until January 29th (aside from a music title which could easily be delayed).

~Alan

this is why i think Pan's Labryinth is going to get delayed. Techincally that is New Line, but WB is the parent. There is no reason for NL to author its ONLY HD DVD EVER to be released after xmas when its parent has decided to ditch the format 15 days later.

[SpikesBluBlooded]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

I did not see Paramount going red either. And I have some pretty credible colleagues to refer to.

Fact of the matter is that the presence of Microsoft in the red camp makes such a move that much more elusive. No one could deny it. They have the means to destroy the BDA's advantage in the war. This being said however as much as our community is frustrated with this fiasco so are more than a few level-headed gentlemen at some key posts.

What does this means?

It means that the only thing we could do is keep buying BR software and ratchet up the WB sales numbers. Anyone who tells you that sales are minuscule and don't matter is flat out a demagogue. Much like a few notable "neutral" analysts whose favorite line is "the market and sales are so small it is too early to make a call".

It isn't and it is not!

The future is happening now!!

Dr. A

You're absolutely right, Doc. The only thing I'd like to point out regarding this whole "Paramount somehow might equal Warner" comparison is that there was no precedence with the Paramount/Dreamworks deal. In light of that fact that nothing's really happened for Paramount or Dreamworks in terms of monumental numbers (hello! Transformers couldn't win them a week?!) for their exclusivity, and BD still maintains the same lead (if not slightly better) as it did prior to the announcement, how could they possibly be considering going HD DVD exclusive? They would lose the greater number of software sales (direct title-to-title comparison), and would be exposing their movies to unlimited piracy due to the HD DVDs lack of protection. Add to that Microsoft's preference of digital downloads and you'd have to be pretty short-sighted to make the leap to HD DVD exclusivity.

[jason_grumpy]

Originally Posted by Alan Gordon

January 16, 2007
GoodFellas (Warner)
Scooby-Doo (2002) (Warner)

January 30, 2007
Beerfest (Warner)
The Wicker Man (2006) (Warner)

February 13, 2007
The Departed (Warner)

February 27, 2007
Bullitt (Warner)
The Getaway (1972) (Warner)

March 27, 2007
Happy Feet (Warner)
March of the Penguins (Warner)
National Geographic: Relentless Enemies (Warner)

Those are the movies released by Warner Bros. on Blu-ray during the first three months of 2007.

Oh, BTW, "The Invasion" was delayed til January 29th. Warner Bros. has no titles announced (outside of New Line titles) after next week until January 29th (aside from a music title which could easily be delayed).

~Alan

I didn't hear about The Invasion delay until the 29th, interesting. My list still showed 1/8/08 as the release date. Does that include the DVD as well, or just HDM?

We can also toss in Poseidon 1/16/07 for HD-DVD

11 released titles during the first 3 months of 2007 is a far cry from 6 announced for 5 months. That's nearly a 50% reduction.

[Marcusarilius]

Originally Posted by SpikesBluBlooded

You're absolutely right, Doc. The only thing I'd like to point out regarding this whole "Paramount somehow might equal Warner" comparison is that there was no precedence with the Paramount/Dreamworks deal. In light of that fact that nothing's really happened for Paramount or Dreamworks in terms of monumental numbers (hello! Transformers couldn't win them a week?!) for their exclusivity, and BD still maintains the same lead (if not slightly better) as it did prior to the announcement, how could they possibly be considering going HD DVD exclusive? They would lose the greater number of software sales (direct title-to-title comparison), and would be exposing their movies to unlimited piracy due to the HD DVDs lack of protection. Add to that Microsoft's preference of digital downloads and you'd have to be pretty short-sighted to make the leap to HD DVD exclusivity.

Microsoft is assuming a great deal. Who is going to buy DDLs anyway. People plain and simple want hard disks. Let them anihilate both formats and then there is nowhere else to turn? Is that the plan? Good luck with that. We won't be giving up that easy!

[sj001]

Originally Posted by LeoneFan

I don't see Warner going Blu exclusive. They've had their noses up HDDVD's ass since the beginning and they still do. Look at all their ads on TV and magazine, the HDDVD version of the release is always in front of the Blu-ray covering it up. Warner has a big ego and I wouldn't be surprised if they think that if they went with HDDVD then it would win based on their support alone. I hope I'm wrong but after the Paramount debacle anything is possible.

Imagine that, a negative post from you...

Wow. What logic makes you think they would go RED?

They have NO reason at all to go red, and I don't think the Paramount thing is going to happen again. Get over it dude.

[SpikesBluBlooded]

Originally Posted by Marcusarilius

Microsoft is assuming a great deal. Who is going to buy DDLs anyway. People plain and simple want hard disks. Let them anihilate both formats and then there is nowhere else to turn? Is that the plan? Good luck with that. We won't be giving up that easy!

Oh I agree whole-heartedly! But I think that Microsoft's plan is that both Hi-def formats fail and that people will only have DDLs as their choice in Hi-def formatted video. The fact that DVD sales are starting to wane is the indication that hard media was starting to die off, opening the door for DDLs. But now that there's BETTER than DVD available, there's a possibility that hard media manufacturers and studios might see a resurgence in sales. This would not bode well for DDLs, so the sooner these new and improved formats fizzle out, the better. And if that's not possible, just keep the two around long enough for the public at large to get tired of waiting and in will step Microsoft to offer ALL your movie favorites in Hi-def, without needing a new fangled player to see them. I know there's quite a few insiders that can back this up...

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by jason_grumpy

I didn't hear about The Invasion delay until the 29th, interesting. My list still showed 1/8/08 as the release date. Does that include the DVD as well, or just HDM?

We can also toss in Poseidon 1/16/07 for HD-DVD

11 released titles during the first 3 months of 2007 is a far cry from 6 announced for 5 months. That's nearly a 50% reduction.

1. As for "The Invasion", all three formats were delayed.

2. Correct, I have that on HD DVD, but I just counted Blu-ray releases in my list.

3. Read my post again, I edited it after you quoted me. BTW, Warner Bros. sometimes announces titles two weeks in advance of street date. This is not all of Warner's announcements for the first half of 2008, this is just some of them (and if you'd note, most of the titles announced so far, are for titles coming with a simultaneous DVD release... hence the reason why they are announced so early. "Twister" being the obvious exception due to the fact that it was originally scheduled for 1/08/2008).

~Alan

[Marcusarilius]

Originally Posted by SpikesBluBlooded

Oh I agree whole-heartedly! But I think that Microsoft's plan is that both Hi-def formats fail and that people will only have DDLs as their choice in Hi-def formatted video. The fact that DVD sales are starting to wane is the indication that hard media was starting to die off, opening the door for DDLs. But now that there's BETTER than DVD available, there's a possibility that hard media manufacturers and studios might see a resurgence in sales. This would not bode well for DDLs, so the sooner these new and improved formats fizzle out, the better. And if that's not possible, just keep the two around long enough for the public at large to get tired of waiting and in will step Microsoft to offer ALL your movie favorites in Hi-def, without needing a new fangled player to see them. I know there's quite a few insiders that can back this up...

Maybe the DDL SQ and PQ quality will some day match what we already have on BD, but untill that time, I don't consider it HD.

[Rob Tomlin]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

I did not see Paramount going red either. And I have some pretty credible colleagues to refer to.

Fact of the matter is that the presence of Microsoft in the red camp makes such a move that much more elusive. No one could deny it. They have the means to destroy the BDA's advantage in the war. This being said however as much as our community is frustrated with this fiasco so are more than a few level-headed gentlemen at some key posts.

What does this means?

It means that the only thing we could do is keep buying BR software and ratchet up the WB sales numbers. Anyone who tells you that sales are minuscule and don't matter is flat out a demagogue. Much like a few notable "neutral" analysts whose favorite line is "the market and sales are so small it is too early to make a call".

It isn't and it is not!

The future is happening now!!

Dr. A

You wouldn't happen to be referring to someone with the initials D.V. would ya?!?!

[richard lichtenfelt]

First time I saw the small #'s point was in an article by Josh Zyber on highdefdigest.com.
I don't know if he is the one who first made that comment though.

[stockstar1138]

remember when Bill Hunt listed a bunch of catalog titles that were coming to HD DVD and Blu-ray about a month and a half ago. Only about 2 of those have been announced and both are pretty far off in the distant future. WB have been some of the biggest advocates of HDM and simply going from relasing mutliple titles/week, to a few over the course of a month is very odd and when things are odd, something is up. our trust insiders have pointed towards something being up, WB reps have pointed that something is up credible news sites have pointed to something being up, warner has been mute on this despite an articles in the NYT and Business Week hinting they will go BD exclusive, i don't know how ppl cannot think something is up. If they really were sooooo supportive of neutrality and were acccused of going exclusive soon, you'd think they would want to correct their image as millions of ppl read the NYT and BW.

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by Alan Gordon

Oh, BTW, "The Invasion" was delayed til January 29th. Warner Bros. has no titles announced (outside of New Line titles) after next week until January 29th (aside from a music title which could easily be delayed).

~Alan

And Twister on 5-6 08