*Spoiler Alert* Blade Runner Question

[sean10mm]

Originally Posted by MATTYBLU2

i thought the replicants did not feel pain, but deckard felt pain when his fingers were broken, if he was a replicant than he would not have felt the pain?

Nothing in the movie says they don't feel pain. Several of them are obviously in pain at various points in the movie.

[Paladin]

If Decker was a replicant, then somebody needs to get their money back on him. Pris, the pleasure model replicant kicked his ass, and that's about as low as you can go on the food chain.

I actually liked the U.S. release over the final cut. The voice over on the roof of Decker rationalizing why he wasn't killed was better then the plain rainfall of the final cut.(IMHO)

A little nit pick, they implanted memories into Rachel, family stuff, and incidents to try and get a more stable model. There is no indication (movie wise) they implanted certain dreams into Rachel. From what was said she was the first, which would mean Decker would have been a newer model, which then wouldn't explain why he got his ass kicked all the time.

Paladin

[Sandman416]

All I will say on this is read the book, Blade Runner 2. I just finished it and it might help.

[ZeeMan84]

The way I see it after watching the Final cut is that Deckard is a replicant. I draw this conclusion from this one shot where Sean Young's character and Harrison Ford's character are in his apartment and you can see her eyes have RED pupil and so does Deckard's. This RED pupil thing is visible in all the other four replicants too.

[MATTYBLU2]

just picked this up today at BB and watched teh final cut tonight, it was great. thought they did a nice job. looks fantastcic in blu ray by the way.

i did enjoy not having the voice overlay in this one. my opinion is that deckard is not a replicant, why would he be? he is an old beat up cop/blade runner sent out to kill 4 more of his own? does not seem to go since the replicants stick together and kinda defend each other. i still think he is human and like someone else said he fell in love with a replicant...

just my 2 cents.

[MATTYBLU2]

Originally Posted by sean10mm

Nothing in the movie says they don't feel pain. Several of them are obviously in pain at various points in the movie.

yes i realize that now i have seen it again tonight. it has been a while since i have seen it. thanks

[MATTYBLU2]

i scored this one along with 4 others today at BB with the 5 free instantly. got to watch it again for the first time in years and really enjoyed it.

[DeeChizzle]

I thought I'd revive this thread with another question.

So is it safe to say that Deckard was reprogrammed as a Blade Runner? However, that doesn't explain why he is considerably weaker than the other four replicants, unless that was a part of his reprogramming.

I used to think he wasn't a replicant, but it would have to make sense because as a supposed veteran blade runner he sure was incompetent throughout the movie. He really never had the upper hand against any of the replicants. Against the Zhora he is saved by someone walking into the room, against Leon he is saved by Rachel, against Pris he pretty much gets lucky, and we all know what happens when he meets Batty for the first time. What gives? Couldn't Bryant have assigned someone that was more bad ass than Deckard to hunt down four advanced replicants?

Also it would have made more sense for Deckard to work with a partner as mentioned in the beginning of the movie, especially with how dangerous replicants can be. However he works alone throughout the whole movie and it probably explains why Gaff seems to be following him throughout the movie as well.

[Grisle]

How can some of you think he's not a replicant due to the strength thing? They had stated that they made Rachel and that she didn't know what she was...if Rachel or Decker had super strength then they would know that they were different. Decker is a replicant just like Rachel...made to be more normal. Decker asked Rachel 100 questions and only then did he come to the conclusion that Rachel didn't know that she was a Replicant. Also the unicorn dream is pretty hard to argue against. Another thing is when Decker was sitting next to Batty at the end Gaff said "You did a Man's job"...to me that meant he was a replicant...unless I don't understand that saying.

[Blu-Beard]

Just from watching the final cut I get the impression that he's a replicant but I'm not going to commit to that untill I watch all of the extra's.

[Stratus5ss]

I think Deckard is a replicant. Did you notice the folded figure that he finds at the end of the film? It is a unicorn. Do you remember Deckard's unicorn memory at the piano earlier in the film? Since unicorns do not exist, the folded figure of the unicorn suggests the unicorn memory is planted and Deckard is a replicant.

[Grubert]

Originally Posted by Paladin

If Decker was a replicant, then somebody needs to get their money back on him. Pris, the pleasure model replicant kicked his ass, and that's about as low as you can go on the food chain.

Very well put.

When he chases Zhora, he misses twice before hitting her. And he needs a second shot to finish her off.

When he's waiting for Batty to appear, he has a steady shot and still Batty is too fast for him. Later, when he is going down the corridor, Batty senses the exact location of his arm so he can punch through the drywall and grab his gun hand. Afterwards, when he gets the gun in his left hand, he is unable to pinpoint the exact position of Batty's head and merely grazes his ear.

All of the final chase is typical human-vs-machine (see Terminator) or human-vs-superhuman stuff. Make both of them replicants and it makes no sense at all.

Note: I watched the original film a dozen times before the Director's Cut was even out. Never did it occur to me that Deckard could be a replicant. None of my friends thought that either.

[makaveli21]

Originally Posted by Mikeesracing

I have watched the movie maybe 25 times. I never got that he was a replicant. He just fell in love with one. It does kind of fit, maybe more with the final cut. But I still don't feel that he is one.

Many movies are of course open to interpretation, but Ridley's intention were that he was a replicant. That he thinks/planned this is not open to interpretation. However, it is also clear that he did not communicate this to his actors, whether to get a better performance out of them (if Harrison knew he was a replicant he may have played him differently) or what I don't know, but Ford did not/does not believe he is a replicant.

That being said, you can take any interpretation you want to out of a movie, but the planned vision of the director (who I consider to be the true creator of a movie, so to speak) was that he is replicant.

Read Future Noir if you are interested in more about Blade Runner--it's a great and insightful book...

[makaveli21]

Originally Posted by Grisle

How can some of you think he's not a replicant due to the strength thing? They had stated that they made Rachel and that she didn't know what she was...if Rachel or Decker had super strength then they would know that they were different. Decker is a replicant just like Rachel...made to be more normal. Decker asked Rachel 100 questions and only then did he come to the conclusion that Rachel didn't know that she was a Replicant. Also the unicorn dream is pretty hard to argue against. Another thing is when Decker was sitting next to Batty at the end Gaff said "You did a Man's job"...to me that meant he was a replicant...unless I don't understand that saying.

There's also a line that I believe was cut that followed this. Gaff says something like "But are you even a man? It's getting hard to tell around here nowadays." (that's not verbatim but pretty close)

[makaveli21]

Originally Posted by MATTYBLU2

just picked this up today at BB and watched teh final cut tonight, it was great. thought they did a nice job. looks fantastcic in blu ray by the way.

i did enjoy not having the voice overlay in this one. my opinion is that deckard is not a replicant, why would he be? he is an old beat up cop/blade runner sent out to kill 4 more of his own? does not seem to go since the replicants stick together and kinda defend each other. i still think he is human and like someone else said he fell in love with a replicant...

just my 2 cents.

Like Rachel, he doesn't know he is a replicant. It makes the line "How does it not know what it is?" in reference to Rachel pretty ironic...

[Blu Falcon]

Originally Posted by monkyman

I just watched the final cut. I have a simple (maybe) question. Was Harrison Ford a Replicant??

Do androids dream of electric sheep?

The clues are very obvious. Maybe not to casual viewer, but any true Blade Runner fan can see this. Short answer is yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Andr...ctric_Sheep%3F

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Jokerboy649

Yes to me Deckard IS a replicant. Because Ridley says so AND because of the ending. The unicorn dream Deckard has and then the unicorn Gaff leaves by the door shows that Gaff knows his memories/dreams which means they were implanted and means he would be a replicant.

The unicorn origami could just as easily have been meant for Rachel. Gaff WAS there and knew Rachel was there. As far as Ridley Scott is concerned, there are too many holes in his reasoning. I don't buy what another poster said that Deckard was an earlier model. Deckard was a Blade Runner. If he was a replicant, he would have been deisgned to take down other replicants. Yet, he could barely deal with the female replicants. In addition, if it was illegal for replicants to running around Earth, WTH was Deckard allowed to retire and still live? And why wasn't he killed after he did his job in the movie? The unicorn dream could be interpreted as Deckard having doubts about himself after Rachel asked if he had taken the "test". Deckard was not a replicant. If he was, he a piss poor one.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by sean10mm

- Bryant obviously had a significant history with Deckard as a Blade Runner prior to the Nexus-6 models. Only Nexus-6 had memory implants according to Tyrell. Bryant and Deckard were only briefed on the Nexus-6 capabilities after the escape of Batty and friends.
This isn't obvious at all. All Bryant's references to the past were vague. And Batty's gang are just the first Nexus-6 models they have had to hunt down, not the first to exist. They could have been briefed long after the Nexus-6 models were first made.


- The oldest known Nexus-6 was Batty, who obviously ran to his (presumed) four year expiration. The other Nexus-6 units were younger. If Deckard were a replicant, he would have to be at least Nexus-6 and either made with no expiration date (conflicts with movie details) or be younger than Batty.
The expiration date was clearly stated in the movie (by Bryant, I think) to be a safety feature added by the manufacturers, meaning it could be omitted in any of the older models too. It isn't inherent to making replicants, you just can't REVERSE it once it's been added (per Tyrell's talk with Batty). Of course, nothing in the movie says that Deckard is older than Roy...he could easily have memory implants like Rachel. In fact, Gaff knowing Deckard's dreams makes it all but certain that Deckard's memories are fake and that he's a replicant.


- Clearly, there was little room to allow any replicant to live on earth. And although Gaff (and Deckard) were expected to kill Rachael (but only after she went AWOL), there is no mention of trying to kill Deckard (and that opportunity would have presented itself earlier, as Gaff was obviously able to track down Deckard when he was needed to contain the Nexus-6 outbreak). And an obvious time to kill him would have been when Holden replaced him on the Blade Runner squad.

If Deckard was just a replicant tool of the Blade Runners with implanted memories to make him pliable, they obviously wouldn't kill him any more than they'd kill a police dog.

Bryant's references to the past were certainly not vague. There was an already established relationship. Other things I quoted above support Deckard being human. It's illegal for replicants to be walking around Earth. Gaff didn't try to kill Deckard.

There is nothing that explicitly says that Gaff knew Deckard had a dream about a unicorn. That could be nothing more than Deckard having doubts about himself and having the dream, because in that time, unicorns are a symbol or slang for a replicant. The origami could have been left by Gaff just to tell Deckard he was there and COULD HAVE killed Rachel, but didn't.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by monkyman

I have a simple (maybe) question. Was Harrison Ford a Replicant??

Yes, Harrison Ford is a replicant. That's why he is able to film Indy Jones 4. His replicant is younger than the real Harrison Ford.

[Blu Falcon]

http://www.blade-runner.it/index-e.a...e=/repl-e.html