Star Wars Wars the UOT Strikes Back and OTHER PEZ dispensers

[jyenor]

Originally Posted by Blu-Runner

But then Episode I would just be "too cute."

Jar Jar would still be Jar Jar! Just wandering around with a bunch of penguins in little jedi robes and one with white make up all over it's face and a giant wig.

Using this human only method that would mean Maul would still be Maul since he is a creature. So the duel would be two little penguins against Ray Park...

[Strevlac]

Originally Posted by jyenor

Because this is about the blu-ray release. The UOT are not coming to blu-ray. And won't in any of our lifetimes unless Lucas has a sudden change of heart. It's absurd to even talk about.

Why do people keep saying this?

George Lucas (in reference to the original versions): "We'll probably get to them someday"

[PowellPressburger]

Originally Posted by Strevlac

Why do people keep saying this?

Geaorge Lucas (in reference to the original versions): "We'll probably get to them someday"

We will get them when he needs some more cash flow. Sorry to be cynical but he will end up releasing them probably as a set all by themselves and people will flock for them. He knows this.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Why would Lucas ever needed the cash flow? He doesn't need it now. He probably won't in the next decade or two.

This is why I think the argument that he'll release them when he needs cash is stupid. That cat's not hurting from money.

Did we forget that he made billions off the Prequels....

He certainly isn't (and never will be) hurting on money that is true. However, he has released the UOT on EVERY viable home video format. To say "Its never coming!" is ignoring previous efforts and history (even though the last effort was so-so, even for the AOT and TPM).

What everyone seems to be ignoring is George is concerned about cost at this time. Like any good businessman he has money he has put into certain projects. The Clone Wars, 3D releases, numerous video games, the current blu ray releases, Red Tails, Indiana Jones, 3D blu rays, so on and so forth, these things cost money. Putting the original trilogy remastering project on the front burner is not a priority at this time as all the projects I just listed are more immediate. Eventaully, they will get there. Just not right now.

So, let's all stop asking when its coming out and lets also cut the "Its never coming!" stuff as it is just as much an uneducated statement. Lets try and keep the conversation on what we are going to have in less than a month!

Now, back to the blu rays, who here is psyched like I am to rewatch TPM? While it isn't my favorite film in the series, it certainly seems TPM has profited a great deal from the work put into the current blu rays! It will be like watching it for the first time again. Soooo fn excited!

[daveyf]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

Wow, haven't see this in a long time. I'm so glad it was replaced! The new music is epic and Hayden Christensen has taken his rightful place as Anakin, so it's not Obi-Wan, Yoda and... strange old dude(!?) anymore. It plays much better now as the grand finale of an epic space-opera!

Except that it doesn't make sense. Why isn't it young Obi-Wan as well. Since the force seems so superficial.

There's also the stupid argument that Anakin Skywalker 'died' when he became Darth Vader but that too doesn't make sense. If there's no more Skywalker in Vader then Luke gets fried extra crispy by the Emperor. It's, to me, the most stupid change Lucas made to the OT. I don't even care that he pussied out of Han shooting first all that much or that the digital Jabba in ANH looks like a cheap CGI (which he probably worked on some more for the blu-rays). But Hayden Christensen's mug at the end of RotJ reminds me of the bad casting choice he was.

[gallandro]

Originally Posted by daveyf

Except that it doesn't make sense. Why isn't it young Obi-Wan as well. Since the force seems so superficial.

There's also the stupid argument that Anakin Skywalker 'died' when he became Darth Vader but that too doesn't make sense. If there's no more Skywalker in Vader then Luke gets fried extra crispy by the Emperor. It's, to me, the most stupid change Lucas made to the OT. I don't even care that he pussied out of Han shooting first all that much or that the digital Jabba in ANH looks like a cheap CGI (which he probably worked on some more for the blu-rays). But Hayden Christensen's mug at the end of RotJ reminds me of the bad casting choice he was.

Oh God, let's not start this debate again...

[BrandonJF]

Originally Posted by daveyf

Except that it doesn't make sense. Why isn't it young Obi-Wan as well. Since the force seems so superficial.

Exactly. It's just odd. It's like Lucas wanted to do something, damned if it made sense or not. I guess he could've swapped Hayden for Jake Lloyd, too.

The other thing is.... why wouldn't Luke look over and see Hayden Christensen and think "Who the hell is THAT?" He had no idea what his father looked like when he was younger! Luke was spared having to sit through the prequels.

[TheWildWhelk]

Originally Posted by PowellPressburger

We will get them when he needs some more cash flow. Sorry to be cynical but he will end up releasing them probably as a set all by themselves and people will flock for them. He knows this.

Lucas needs money in the same way that Bill Gates is short of funds! SW fans had the original trilogy released on dvd with stereo sound, in widescreen but no-o-o they weren't happy with that release, they want the best of both worlds with the trilogy digitally remastered to the Nth degree but without any alterations so the visual effects look as crappy as people remember them, including the untra-thick matte lines around the Rancor etc.

The Star Wars films are going to look incredible on blu ray. I'm willing to forgive the occasional gaff (Ronto/biker gag) for this to happen. Bring 'em on!

[Strevlac]

Originally Posted by SonOfTorah

SW fans had the original trilogy released on dvd with stereo sound, in widescreen but no-o-o they weren't happy with that release, they want the best of both worlds with the trilogy digitally remastered to the Nth degree but without any alterations so the visual effects look as crappy as people remember them, including the untra-thick matte lines around the Rancor etc.

The disrespect for the art of film and film history in this thread is pretty depressing. I guess every film ever made needs to be updated every ten years to add new elements so they can be considered watchable to shallow, ignorant, video-game addicted plebes. Film grain in crossfades and other opticals? Matte lines? THE HORROR!!!

[danny_boy]

Originally Posted by singhcr

You gotta love the outright lies regarding the 2004 release from the StarWars.com website.



Uh, no.... that's because you screwed around with the color timing, crushed the blacks, and turned up the contrast. Even the 1997 Special Edition releases didn't look this way! Film is a far more detailed storage medium than a 1080p Blu-ray, and color space differences have nothing to do with it either. They just won't admit that they screwed up, just like how the reverse rear channels in ANH were somehow intentional.

But the all important 1977 release prints(one or more of which , the Library of Congress have in their possession) are most likely inferior to Blu ray,digital 2K 0r 4k.

[Jumpman]

If rescanned with the lastest tech, the original prints would look pretty damn great...

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by beckmen

Keep in mind that Alien was digitally remastered for its 20th Anniversary theatrical re-release (which was the basis of the BD, evidenced in the slight changes in color-timing). Typically, they spend a lot more time and money on those kinds of masters than they do for 'HD'. The point is: It's generally possible to give an old film a stunning Blu-ray presentation, but 'they' are not always willing to pony up the cash to do it right. "Just slap some DNR on that old 2k file made for HDTV broadcasts and unload it onto the viewer."

The 1999 master has little to do with Alien. There was a complete rescan done in 4K done right before the release on bluray done by Lowry digital in 2009 or 2010. When an original camera negative is rescanned the color timing will have to be completely redone so the 99 master has nothing to do with the color changes you saw. For the money Lucas will make on these blurays, 3 of them with extremely outdated masters, rescanning episodes 4-6 and doing 4K masters would cost in the range of realistically $1 million for a 1/2 way decent remastering to 3 million for a top notch job. Let's put this in perspective in 2004 the original trilogy dvd's made $100 million on the first day of sales worldwide. http://money.cnn.com/2004/09/23/news...wars/index.htm

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by HandyDandy

I think Lucasfilm has mixed in cgi with puppet for Yoda to make him look more realistic.

Note** I don't think Yoda will be full cgi just partially cgi

YES!!!! Screw the artistic puppet work by Frank Oz in the OT! I can't wait this should be great! Great news on Greedo still shooting first!

This will be a day long remembered! With this release we have seen the end of the UOT and will soon see the end of our cultural heritage. I am looking forward to September 12th!

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

This will be a day long remembered! With this release we have seen the end of the UOT and will soon see the end of our cultural heritage. I am looking forward to September 12th!

Dude, it's just a movie (ok, movies). Let's have some perspective here. People decrying the "end of our cultural heritage" and hating their young nieces for having birthdays in the name of Star Wars make this entire thread fail.

[HandyDandy]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

YES!!!! Screw the artistic puppet work by Frank Oz in the OT! I can't wait this should be great! Great news on Greedo still shooting first!

This will be a day long remembered! With this release we have seen the end of the UOT and will soon see the end of our cultural heritage. I am looking forward to September 12th!

You do know i was joking around right.
Lucas would never touch OT Yoda.

[jyenor]

Originally Posted by 22soultaker

Ok Anakin being there, ok i guess it makes sense he died when he turned to Vader at the young age. But Luke knowing who he is does not make sense. Call ppl stupid all u want (not the person i quoted the other guy) no matter what him knowing who he is seeing himfor the first time is like a one in a million chance.

Uh...Luke's father was an extremely famous hero of the Clone Wars. You think Luke didn't look him up even once??

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by 22soultaker

Ok Anakin being there, ok i guess it makes sense he died when he turned to Vader at the young age. But Luke knowing who he is does not make sense. Call ppl stupid all u want (not the person i quoted the other guy) no matter what him knowing who he is seeing himfor the first time is like a one in a million chance.

I am pretty sure deductive reasoning Luke would figure out who the younger cat was pretty quickly, as well, he only really hears about 3 Jedi throughout the entire series: His father, Obi Wan, and Yoda.

However, I tend to like the original ending of Jedi a bit more as I feel its more meaningful (to me). I like the idea of Anakin appearing as an older wiser man whom has learned from his mistakes, redeemed himself and fuflilled his destiny of restoring balance to the force. It is quite poetic. However, I get the HC ending too, as we like to remember people when they were their best and fits with the line: "A young Jedi, by name of Darth Vader, betrayed and murdered your father." Both endings work. Its just personal preference that divides audiences.

But that is really off topic! I am sooo amped to see the deleted scenes! I really really want to see the 'Fate of General Veers' so badly! I NEVER knew they actaully filmed it!

[22soultaker]

Originally Posted by jyenor

Uh...Luke's father was an extremely famous hero of the Clone Wars. You think Luke didn't look him up even once??

Uhhhh hahaha yes cause he didnt even know it was his father. No he never heard of him.othetwise hed be like wait a sec ehy does this guy have the same last name as me. Plus lets say he did hear of him im sure he got on his iphone and googled him. Why must ppl argue the fact that if u hadnt seen pictures of ur dad when he was in his 20s and the only time u did see him he was all burned up u would not kno who he is. Period.

[jyenor]

Originally Posted by 22soultaker

Uhhhh hahaha yes cause he didnt even know it was his father. No he never heard of him.othetwise hed be like wait a sec ehy does this guy have the same last name as me. Plus lets say he did hear of him im sure he got on his iphone and googled him. Why must ppl argue the fact that if u hadnt seen pictures of ur dad when he was in his 20s and the only time u did see him he was all burned up u would not kno who he is. Period.

Obi-Wan told Luke who his father was and that he was a hero of the Clone Wars. There is 3 years set between ANH and ESB. You don't think he ONCE said hmm I am going to look up a jedi named skywalker who was a general in the war???

The idea that he couldn't find a picture of his father when he knew who his father was and his father was extremely famous and had PLENTY of time in the OT to do so is absurd. He was obsessed with finding information about his father.

[22soultaker]

Originally Posted by jyenor

Obi-Wan told Luke who his father was and that he was a hero of the Clone Wars. There is 3 years set between ANH and ESB. You don't think he ONCE said hmm I am going to look up a jedi named skywalker who was a general in the war???

The idea that he couldn't find a picture of his father when he knew who his father was and his father was extremely famous and had PLENTY of time in the OT to do so is absurd. He was obsessed with finding information about his father.

That makes sense.