The Shining (1980)

[jackdaniels]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

Sorry, but I dont read Rotten Tomatoes to form my opinions.

But cool if they like them.

You know 4 out of 5 doctors prefer the Colgate?

same here, even IMDB is unreliable now

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

Sorry, but I dont read Rotten Tomatoes to form my opinions.

But cool if they like them.

You know 4 out of 5 doctors prefer the Colgate?

"They" being the top, most respected critics. Rotten Tomatoes aggregates scores of top critics. The Shining 88%, Blair Witch 85%. Of course websites saying The Shining is overrated are a dime a dozen.

Not sure what doctors opinions on dental products means, but ok.

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

"They" being the top, most respected critics. Rotten Tomatoes aggregates scores of top critics. The Shining 88%, Blair Witch 85%.

Not sure what doctors opinions on dental products means, but ok.

I just dont follow critics when evaluating music, film , restaurants , whatever.

Its an illusion. Its one community of folks making judgement.
I dont have to subscribe to their standards.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

I just dont follow critics when evaluating music, film , restaurants , whatever.

Its an illusion. Its one community of folks making judgement.
I dont have to subscribe to their standards.

And I don't follow people on internet forums when it comes to their opinion of a movie as "mediocre art".

[lfrankbaum]

Originally Posted by JAGUAR1977

Must be weird, I don't like any of Kubricks movies.

not weird ..just no concept of quality films....

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

And I don't follow people on internet forums when it comes to their opinion of a movie as "mediocre art".

Now couldnt you have just disagreed with me in the first place and say u feel that Blair Witch is in the same league as The Shining without invoking someone else's opinion?

We can agree to disagree. Nothing personal.

[Danchez]

This Just In: Shelley Duvall done lost her damn mind somewhere in Texas!

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

Now couldnt you have just disagreed with me in the first place and say u feel that Blair Witch is in the same league as The Shining without invoking someone else's opinion?

We can agree to disagree. Nothing personal.

The Shining isn't in the same league as Blair Witch. One had a huge star, famous director, best selling author and book tied to it. The other had no star, no budget, became a huge media sensation and introduced a new genre of movie making. Take Nicholson out of the Shining and put in a no name and this movie would have none of the hype, it would be another Stephan King crappy movie.

So, sure, we can of course disagree.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

They arent packaged together on one BD?

No.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

I just dont follow critics when evaluating music, film , restaurants , whatever.

Its an illusion. Its one community of folks making judgement.
I dont have to subscribe to their standards.

Maybe not, but do you trust a realtor to show you the best houses? Your stock broker to recommend the best investments? Your doctor when he or she prescribes a diagnosis?

Its the same idea... film critics — the good ones, not the quote hounds — are knowledgable about film, more than you or I will ever be. I'ts their job, what they've studied, just like any profession. That's why their opinion is put out there... and yes, it's just an opinion, but you should be able to take their comments and make an informed decision on your own. I think people who are serious about cinema should follow critics, not for their likes/dislikes per se, but for their knowledge and insight.

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

The Shining isn't in the same league as Blair Witch. One had a huge star, famous director, best selling author and book tied to it. The other had no star, no budget, became a huge media sensation and introduced a new genre of movie making. Take Nicholson out of the Shining and put in a no name and this movie would have none of the hype, it would be another Stephan King crappy movie.

So, sure, we can of course disagree.

Once again I fail to see how a "new" movie genre and the internet equates with the actual art. Kubrick's innovative and early use of the Streadycam shouldnt factor into this at all.

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by retablo

Maybe not, but do you trust a realtor to show you the best houses? Your stock broker to recommend the best investments? Your doctor when he or she prescribes a diagnosis?

Its the same idea... film critics — the good ones, not the quote hounds — are knowledgable about film, more than you or I will ever be. I'ts their job, what they've studied, just like any profession. That's why their opinion is put out there... and yes, it's just an opinion, but you should be able to take their comments and make an informed decision on your own. I think people who are serious about cinema should follow critics, not for their likes/dislikes per se, but for their knowledge and insight.

Using Critics to back your opinion VS. stating your own tastes and opinions.

[greekak229]

Originally Posted by lfrankbaum

not weird ..just no concept of quality films....

Agreed. I think any lover of film can fine some redeeming qualities in at least one Kubrick film. I love every single one of his movies.

So what's the question? Is The Shining good? Absolutely.

[csdot]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Well, perhaps not. But one inspired a whole genre of horror movies. And it wasn't The Shining. Cloverfield, Rec 2, Quarantine, The Fourth Kind, Paranormal Activity, Apollo 18, etc. all inspired by Blair Witch. Any time you see a viral campaign about a movie touting its found footage, that goes back to Blair Witch.

Blair Witch didnt inspire a whole genre. they only thing it did is make filmmakers realize they didnt really have to put forth the effort of a big hollywood production to get asses in seats. lets not pretend Blair Witch was the first 'found footage' movie.
The Shining however, as well as Kubricks entire filmography, DID influence an entire generation of filmmakers. most of which wouldnt hesitate to tell you so.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by csdot

Blair Witch didnt inspire a whole genre. they only thing it did is make filmmakers realize they didnt really have to put forth the effort of a big hollywood production to get asses in seats. lets not pretend Blair Witch was the first 'found footage' movie.
The Shining however, as well as Kubricks entire filmography, DID influence an entire generation of filmmakers. most of which wouldnt hesitate to tell you so.

Yes, the found footage film dates back to (as far as I know) Cannibal Holocaust, but Blair Witch made it a marketable and relevant genre. But I hesitate to say The Shining itself influenced much — it didn't inspire rip-offs and usher in a whole new way of telling stories, although Kubrick's use of Steadicam was groundbreaking at the time. I like The Shining okay and hate Blair Witch, but BW had much more influence on horror and the state of modern cinema than The Shining ever did.

[surfdude12]

Originally Posted by csdot

The Shining however, as well as Kubricks entire filmography, DID influence an entire generation of filmmakers. most of which wouldnt hesitate to tell you so.

yes, I've seen countless hat-tips to Kubrick in horror films. the most recent being Triangle, where room 237 is used again.

[csdot]

Originally Posted by retablo

Yes, the found footage film dates back to (as far as I know) Cannibal Holocaust, but Blair Witch made it a marketable and relevant genre. But I hesitate to say The Shining itself influenced much — it didn't inspire rip-offs and usher in a whole new way of telling stories, although Kubrick's use of Steadicam was groundbreaking at the time. I like The Shining okay and hate Blair Witch, but BW had much more influence on horror and the state of modern cinema than The Shining ever did.

im confused, you seem like youre arguing with me but you basically just reworded my post.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

Once again I fail to see how a "new" movie genre and the internet equates with the actual art. Kubrick's innovative and early use of the Streadycam shouldnt factor into this at all.

What did Kubrick do in The Shining that equates with "actual" art?

[csdot]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

What did Kubrick do in The Shining that equates with "actual" art?

have you ever seen the film? the entire film is a work of art in almost every respect both on the surface and below.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by csdot

have you ever seen the film? the entire film is a work of art in almost every respect both on the surface and below.

Uh huh. Yeah I saw it. Have you seen any of the criticisms that its over rated?
Basically, Jack is great, the rest of the movie is superficial. It being a work of art is not a universal notion. I saw one list where someone said it was overrated and they wished it was only 1/5000 as good as the Simpsons version. lol