PS3 Struggles in 360 WAR Questions Answered!

[Jet Cero]

I read a lot on this web site and I read that a lot of you asking "Why buy and Pro Xbox 360 for $349.99 instead of a PS3 w/ Blu_Ray for an extra $50?" And it's very simple easy answer... They are game consoles! One has more games and the other does not! If you want a better explanation...

*NOTE & Credibility* THIS IS NOT BASHING THE PS3! This thread is strictly dedicated to an OPINION of one person asking for more games for Everyone and His own PS3 to get better use out of a GAME CONSOLE. Coming from a person that has dedicated most of his life to gaming and entertainment. A person who has worked in electronic retail for years reading Cnet.com and other reliable sources for Gaming and Entertainment purposes. Also a person that sees an AMAZING game console with so much potential go in the wrong direction. ***From here on this is an OPINION coming from a Dedicated Hardcore Gamer/Collector and Entertainment Specialist***

I have had my 360 since the release day and i have never been so satisfied with games than what Microsoft has brought to gamers. Being a 360 fanboy I had to get a PS3 because first of all I know that blu-ray is better for a fact! Second Sony has some of my favorite exclusives like the Ratchet and Clank series and MGS and Final Fantasy's. I will admit that I WAS a heavy basher when the PS3 came out but ever since I got mine I will have to say that I am Impressed! Perfectly laid out and well thought out *EXCITED FOR PS HOME!*

First of all where are the games for the PS3 and as for graphics between the two are very similar... on multi-platform games that is. Games like Assassins Creed and Burnout Paradise do look better on the 360... Side by Side comparisons have been made to prove. But the true potential of exclusives to the PS3 DO LOOK AMAZING! I am incredibly psyched for games like MGS4, FFXIII, GT, and Killzone 2.

To be honest the only reason that the PS3 is still alive is because of the integrated Blu-Ray player... i don't mean that in a bad way but I say kudos because that means they can keep going to do what they do best. A few things they need to do to pick up the slack and ketch up is to come out with PS HOME, release some more exclusives with other companies and push out from themselves, come up with a feature to play non-1080p games in 1080p like the 360, and finally release the Dualshock 2 controllers in America! I am truly cheering that the PS3 does make a comeback with some kick-ass games instead of relying on the Blu-Ray to keep them in the game.

I already own 4 PS3 games and 20+ Blu-rays... this outcome is like this for almost everyone that owns a PS3. So does that make the PS3 a blu-ray player or game console? I can say that my 360 will never be lonely due to the vast amount of exclusives/muli-port games and arcade games. I presently own over +100 tiles for the 360, 52 of them being 360 exclusives, and another +50 arcade games. Now I will admit not everyone of those games deserve to be in A collection but are meant to be in a library or games. But the fact is that the 360 will always have more games played than movies watched in it.

I just hope that Sony decides to take a step away from the fact that it is a Blu-Ray player and focus more on the gaming aspect because that what the PS3 was made for. They know they have already won the format war, that's been decided for a while since WB became BD exclusive, CONGRATS BY THE WAY!!! BUT I WANT MORE GAMES FOR MY PS3!!! Look at how many games came out for the PS2 in the first year and a half... And look how successful it was! I have +250 PS2 games and I would not get rid of one! I consider each one to be a GREAT TITLE! So I ask for Sony to please come out with more games and soon! We need online multi-player that is exclusively PS3!

*FACT* ~Sony decided not to invest any money into other companies for exclusives... LOOSING Exclusivity to DMC4, GTA IV, and to possibly fallow in there tracks MGS and Final Fantasy.
~Most games that you can find for the PS3 and be found on the 360. *The 360 has some of the highest rated Exclusives to come out*

*Final Though*
These are a couple of statements I want everyone to think about before they go bashing the 360 again...

First of all buying a 360 or PS3 is based on games to spend an extra $50 more on a Blu-Ray played is cool but not everyone cares about the Blu-Ray. ~By the way the proves the inferiority of the PS3, as a game console, to buy it soulfully on the fact that it is a BD player~

Second as a reminder that everyone is entitled to an opinion and the my opinion is being said to help people hopefully understand that the 360 is a better GAME CONSOLE than the PS3 UNLESS Sony decides to fix their errors.

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[Blu-Generation]

Originally Posted by Jet Cero

my opinion is being said to help people hopefully understand that the 360 is a better GAME CONSOLE than the PS3 UNLESS Sony decides to fix their errors.

I'm sorry, but I don't like the 360. (30%+ failure rate discuss me)
Also, in my opinion I think PS3 is a better gaming console. Because it have better (Exclusive) games.
Even only a few, (Of course we'll get more) I enjoyed them each very much.

My opinion counts too right?

Sony needs to fix their error alright, but Microsoft also needs to fix theirs.

[Jet Cero]

Originally Posted by Blu-Generation

I'm sorry, but I don't like the 360. (30%+ failure rate discuss me)
Also, in my opinion I think PS3 is a better gaming console. Because it have better (Exclusive) games.
Even only a few, (Of course we'll get more) I enjoyed them each very much.

My opinion counts too right?

Sony needs to fix their error alright, but Microsoft also needs to fix theirs.

You're exactly right about the failure rate! It makes me sick too... and a little upset to be a fanboy. BUT until they come out with more games Like Haze, MGS4 (If still a PS3 Ex. by the time of release), Killzone 2, GT5, FFXII (If still a PS3 Ex. by the time of release), and other various titles that supply endless hours of multiplayer enjoyment like the 360 does with most of their games. The majority of the consumers eye the PS3 will always be third place... The exclusives now are just not good enough to make people buy it as the console of choice.

[MOONPHASE]

xbox 360 games are a rip off they are same price as ps3 games and yet its just a dvd at least with ps3 games its a blu-ray disc so its like it makes you feel like you are not wasting money. plus xbox 360 has been out a lot longer so its like well no wonder it has so many more games. xbox 360 will go down in price when gta4 comes out i read that from some website.

[Jet Cero]

Originally Posted by MOONPHASE

xbox 360 games are a rip off they are same price as ps3 games and yet its just a dvd at least with ps3 games its a blu-ray disc so its like it makes you feel like you are not wasting money. plus xbox 360 has been out a lot longer so its like well no wonder it has so many more games. xbox 360 will go down in price when gta4 comes out i read that from some website.

Within the first year the 360 was able to put out AT LEAST ONE of their Major Multi-Player games, a.k.a. Gears of War, which to the eye for anyone to see was a bad ass game. And as for the prior statement of cost and disk choice... the average consumer does not know and don't care. Graphics, Popularity, playability, and genre matter most! NOT the kind of disk it is put on... If you can make a game look as amazing as a PS3 game I do not think disk really matters.

[docjan_uk]

Meh, Haze, MGS4, Killzone2, GT5, FF13, Little Big Planet etc etc with the PS3 slowly taking over as lead development platform and the inclusion of the winning disc format for movies AND games coupled with highly competitive price points.
All in all the second year of PS3's existance will be the year it pretty much catches up to the then 3 year old 360.

Chances are that it will eclipse the 360 over 2009.

[MOONPHASE]

Originally Posted by Jet Cero

Within the first year the 360 was able to put out AT LEAST ONE of their Major Multi-Player games, a.k.a. Gears of War, which to the eye for anyone to see was a bad ass game. And as for the prior statement of cost and disk choice... the average consumer does not know and don't care. Graphics, Popularity, playability, and genre matter most! NOT the kind of disk it is put on... If you can make a game look as amazing as a PS3 game I do not think disk really matters.

xbox 360 games are not true hd though. sure it supports hd but its not full hd. these are the words from a guy who works for playstation and who came into my gamestop store i work at

[Jet Cero]

Originally Posted by docjan_uk

Meh, Haze, MGS4, GT5, FF13, Little Big Planet etc etc with the PS3 slowly taking over as lead development platform.
All in all the second year of PS3's existance will be the year it pretty much catches up to the then 3 year old 360.

Chances are that it will eclipse the 360 over 2009.

Now that is far from it considering you forgot to read that PS3 does not invest a lot of money into third party exclusives only on exclusives from within it's own company, games with the sony corp. logo on the front. That's why the 360 will never die it invest too much into games like Mass Effect, Bioshock, and Halo. It's like how the Blu-Ray / Hd DVD war is right now... based mainly by support of studios and exclusivity.

[Jet Cero]

Originally Posted by MOONPHASE

xbox 360 games are not true hd though. sure it supports hd but its not full hd. these are the words from a guy who works for playstation and who came into my gamestop store i work at

IT IS HD it's just not true 1080p. That guy needs to get his facts straight about that. Because he's feeding crap. HD is measured by resolution quality of a picture. Same with the PS3 w/o HD they look like crap! When mixed with an HD source the enhancement takes place with the HD quality is then produced. The 360 will never be true 1080p but it is High Def.

[Xcom_Cheetah]

He do have some valid points.. but not all points are valid.

One thing we have to realise is that Sony is a manufacturing powerhouse and MS is a software powerhouse... So it is not surprising that Sony is ahead in the general manufacturing of the system and MS is better in software with the XBOX..

Secondly XBOX is pretty much like PC programming and MS has some very good tools but now Sony is matching it with its own set of tools.

So the current set of games like Burnout are equal if not better than XBOX. Similarly Sony exclusives like Uncharted, R&C and Haze are coming out slowly but surely and i m sure it will not be long before we will start seeing Sony getting ahead in software sales.

Secondly i do believe by changing the head of the SCE, they have done themselves a lot of good.. cuz the father of the Playstation in its own right a gr8 visionary but was not very good in building relationship.. so definitely it is taking a little time to start building relationship again with the third party developers. So later half of 2008 and then 2009 are going to be gr8 years for Sony and PS3.

[docjan_uk]

Again meh, the above holds true, the 3'rd parties are coming over as we speak, and turning to PS3 as the lead platform such as with burnout.

The inclusion of the massive exclusives was to indicate that 2008 will be the year the PS3 truly blossoms.. and it only gets easier to develop for as the months and years tick by, ergo that becomes less of a factor in any argument.
It also leads to tapping the greater potential of the Cell etc.
2009 should really be the tipping point in my estimation.

[Jet Cero]

Originally Posted by Xcom_Cheetah

He do have some valid points.. but not all points are valid.

One thing we have to realise is that Sony is a manufacturing powerhouse and MS is a software powerhouse... So it is not surprising that Sony is ahead in the general manufacturing of the system and MS is better in software with the XBOX..

Secondly XBOX is pretty much like PC programming and MS has some very good tools but now Sony is matching it with its own set of tools.

So the current set of games like Burnout are equal if not better than XBOX. Similarly Sony exclusives like Uncharted, R&C and Haze are coming out slowly but surely and i m sure it will not be long before we will start seeing Sony getting ahead in software sales.

Secondly i do believe by changing the head of the SCE, they have done themselves a lot of good.. cuz the father of the Playstation in its own right a gr8 visionary but was not very good in building relationship.. so definitely it is taking a little time to start building relationship again with the third party developers. So later half of 2008 and then 2009 are going to be gr8 years for Sony and PS3.

And Believe me when I say... I hope so! I cannot wait for this years line because even the people in the OXM (Official Xbox Mag.) are saying that this is Sony's best line up yet! 2008 is going to be the beginning of the war between Sony and MC. MC also has to come up with some good counters to try to walk away with a good year.

[LynxFX]

"Game Console" is so last generation. Times are changing and some people just aren't, or refuse to catch up. I knew this round I would be purchasing a media hub and not just a game system and so far I haven't been disappointed. Infact this is the only piece of CE equipment that has actually improved (and continues to) during its lifetime and without me dropping even another dime on the machine. So right now, the almost the most perfect device I've ever owned. If they ever release a firmware update to give us DTS HD MA decoding or output it will cross over to perfect.

I own 70+ BD's and 1 PS3 game. (not including PSN games) This isn't because I don't use it at a console, quite the contrary. I've rented via gamefly around 45 games this past year. I purchased more than that for the Xbox and most of the time I only played the game through once. Lots of wasted money there. That just became a personal choice. I knew the games wouldn't come right away, (they didn't for the 360 either btw) and I found myself out of time to play a vast majority of the top tier games released this past holiday season, most of them exclusives.

I don't have anything against the 360 personally. I used to help run the largest xbox fansite out there and much prefered the xbox over the PS2 for many of the same reasons I now prefer the PS3 to the 360. Technology, potential, games, added value. I was invited by MS to preview the 360 before it launched and I was extremely excited...until I played it. It just wasn't ready for primetime. They rushed it to beat Sony out of the gate, but at what cost? Apparently 30% failure rate (with a darn near 100% expected premature failure) on the hardware. They did manage to pull game devs though by being first and getting first dibs on those releases and being the primary developement platform. But as you will quickly find out in 2008, that is all about to change. The PS3 is beginning to be the primary developement platform for nonexclusive games. 1st and 2nd party devs are showing what the PS3 is really capable of and 3rd party devs are taking notice. As the PS3 hits its stride in the next couple years as a "Game Console" you can be sure to see Microsoft scrambling to put out the Xbox3 and dropping the 360 as fast as they dropped the Xbox. As a BD player, they already proved that the PS3 is the creme of the crop. So while you may say they are struggling, I think they are primed to pull off one of the best longterm business strategies ever waged using a single device....that some like to call a "game console."

[Jet Cero]

Originally Posted by docjan_uk

Again meh, the above holds true, the 3'rd parties are coming over as we speak, and turning to PS3 as the lead platform such as with burnout.

The inclusion of the massive exclusives was to indicate that 2008 will be the year the PS3 truly blossoms.. and it only gets easier to develop for as the months and years tick by, ergo that becomes less of a factor in any argument.
It also leads to tapping the greater potential of the Cell etc.
2009 should really be the tipping point in my estimation.

Also another good point but maybe this is the year that the PS3 does blossom but we must hope that there are no more delays in there games and that they all come out for a great '08 line-up. But the Gears or War prequel or sequel might come out and the original being a HUGE hit is going to definitely going to put up a fight.

[mavrick3399]

You have made some very good points here, and as an owner of both consoles, there are many things why both machines are good. the one thing i dont like about your post is down near the bottom where it says FACT and you then talk about exclusives, i really dont think this is a fact at all, Sony has NEVER really (yes they do do it but not as much as other companies)given money to game developers to make the game an exclusive, Unlike M$, the reason why games like metal gear and final fantasy where exclusive on the pervious playstation systems was because of there where more of those systems sold so thats where the money is to be made. This is why we are seeing more of the old PS exclusives going to the Xbox because it has a higher install base at the moment.

i do agree that sony have to set up to M$ and start throwing the money around as well to get some exclusives back, i am glad they started to with the new Rockstar development and Little big planet.
The console war will not be over as quick as the HD media war, and its up to M$ to make the 360 last, i mean gears of war tapped into most of the power of the xbox, we havent even begun to see games that use all of the PS3 capabilities, the next couple of years will be very intresting for both 360 and playstation3 owners.

Mav.

[LynxFX]

Originally Posted by Jet Cero

Now that is far from it considering you forgot to read that PS3 does not invest a lot of money into third party exclusives...

That's part of their company policy. They don't 'buy' exclusives or 'bribe' 3rd party devs to not put out a title on the competitors system. It might not always be good business, but it is at least commendable if you have morals. They let the console speak for itself. It is just taking longer this round for the PS3 to find its voice, and as everyone seems to agree on including Xbox magazines is that she is about to sing.

[Jet Cero]

Originally Posted by LynxFX

"Game Console" is so last generation. Times are changing and some people just aren't, or refuse to catch up. I knew this round I would be purchasing a media hub and not just a game system and so far I haven't been disappointed. Infact this is the only piece of CE equipment that has actually improved (and continues to) during its lifetime and without me dropping even another dime on the machine. So right now, the almost the most perfect device I've ever owned. If they ever release a firmware update to give us DTS HD MA decoding or output it will cross over to perfect.

It's not that people refuse to see the future of the PS3 it's the fact that they see the PS3 as a game console with barely any games. Occasional/Hardcore/Teen/Under-Teen do not see the value in Blu-Ray yet... Why? Because they want to play games not watch High-Def movies -> Based on the opinion of the average consumers choice of the 360 over the PS3.

[Jet Cero]

Originally Posted by mavrick3399

You have made some very good points here, and as an owner of both consoles, there are many things why both machines are good. the one thing i dont like about your post is down near the bottom where it says FACT and you then talk about exclusives, i really dont think this is a fact at all, Sony has NEVER really (yes they do do it but not as much as other companies)given money to game developers to make the game an exclusive, Unlike M$, the reason why games like metal gear and final fantasy where exclusive on the pervious playstation systems was because of there where more of those systems sold so thats where the money is to be made. This is why we are seeing more of the old PS exclusives going to the Xbox because it has a higher install base at the moment.

Quick thing about morals... Sony through that out the window when they saw what mass effect and bioshock did... From recent post and other reliable sources and Gamespot, IGN, and Game Informer have stated that Sony has been working alot more with 3 party companies after the success from both BioWare and 2K

[LynxFX]

Originally Posted by Jet Cero

It's not the facts that people refuse to see the future of the PS3 it's the fact that they see the PS3 as a game console with barely any games. Occasional/Hardcore/Teen/Under-Teen do not see the value in Blu-Ray yet... Why? Because they want to play games not watch High-Def movies -> Based on the opinion of the average consumers choice of the 360 over the PS3.

That's the problem with most of your argument or posts. You keep using the term 'fact' when in this instance there is no such thing even though you will contridict yourself in the same paragraph by referring to it being based on opinion.

In short:
Fact /= Opinion

[Jet Cero]

Originally Posted by LynxFX

That's the problem with most of your argument or posts. You keep using the term 'fact' when in this instance there is no such thing even though you will contridict yourself in the same paragraph by referring to it being based on opinion.

In short:
Fact /= Opinion

That's why when it does com to *facts* I indicating I am saying a proven statement. In that sentence I did incorrectly use that word. I should have read over that before posting. Edited to be correct now***