New Disney titles for 2012 (Rescuers Aristocats Pocahontas etc.) !

[yumny]

Originally Posted by zoodermin

Brother Bear "Lazy"? I don't hate Home on the Range because of all the things you said above. I was 14 when it was released so I didn't even knew who Michael Eisner was or didn't know that it was the last 2D feature (at the time) from Disney. For me it was the latest Disney film and yes I wasn't very enthusiastic with their latest output (I didn't love Lilo & Stitch or Treasure Planet) and the only film that I liked was Brother Bear but Home on the Range was a whole different matter. When I went to see Home on the Range I found it crude, uninspired, with unmemorable characters, unfunny and dull. You say it cute. Really? For me cute can be Robin Hood or The Aristocats but Home on the Range? Not at all. I have re-watched it over the years to see if it has improved with age but unfortunately my first impression still stands. Hadn't Disney gone even further below with the abysmal Chicken Little the following year, this film would have been at the bottom of the canon. It also didn't help that the same year Disney offered Home on the Range, Pixar gave us The Incredibles, a spectacular film.

So even if you want to blame many circumstances for the film's failure, I can tell you that, from a viewer that at that time didn't care for box office, Eisner or 2D vs. 3D, Home on the Range is just plain and simple, a bad film.

Thank you for this. I agree 100%. No matter what you do, even taking Home on the Range out of context doesn't improve it. It's just bad, bad, bad. Bad as balls.

Here's my consensus on it from a list of reviews I made;

37. HOME ON THE RANGE (2004) – 4.5
Albeit witty and quick, Home on the Range lacks some serious heart and feels more forced and empty than anything else.

I ranked it 37th out of all 37 DACs I have seen (to add, the ones I haven't seen yet are all the package movies, 101 Dalmatians, Aristocats, Rescuers, RDE, Great Mouse Detective, Chicken Little & Meet the Robinsons.)
As for the other "experimental" films, I ranked Dinosaur #36th, ENG #6th, Lilo and Stitch #11th, Atlantis #32nd, Brother Bear #29th and Treasure Planet #20th.

[Lnds500]

Originally Posted by yumny

I ranked it 37th out of all 37 DACs I have seen (to add, the ones I haven't seen yet are all the package movies, 101 Dalmatians, Aristocats, Rescuers, RDE, Great Mouse Detective, Chicken Little & Meet the Robinsons.)

I blame the parents

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by zafisher94

Im curious, did u initially buy the standard 2D versions and decided to upgrade to the 3D versions? Or is that the first time you're buying those?

I've been holding off on buying a 3d TV waiting for standards and prices to settle down. But I've purchased the 3-D versions of Tron/Tron Legacy and Tangled because Disney pulls titles off the market, and I suspect eventually I'm going to own a 3-D TV, so might as well buy them now. With the Costco rebate, I've got the most complete sets/bonus features/versisons of Toy Story 1 and 3 and Cars 2. I already owned the normal version of Beauty and the Beast on Blu, and really not in a rush to buy the 3-D version. I imagine I'll pick it up eventually, if it goes on moratorium. Haven't purchased The Lion King yet in any version other than DVD and laserdisc. After helping raise my niece and nephew, I'm a little "Lion King"ed out. That and the ad campaign calling it the greatest animated film of all time gives me hives inside my brain. So I'll wait for news on a moratorium before picking up Lion King 3-D as well.

EDIT

Whoops! Realize I didn't answer your question. I own the DVD "Ultimate Toy Box" (which remains pretty bad ass) so I was hoping for a Blu version of an Ultimate Toy Box, but when I saw it, I hated the packaging, and it sure didn't seem like a worthy successor. So all this time I've been waiting for the price to drop on the Blu version...then DisneyFreak alerted us to the Costco rebate sale, my wife popped in for a look, and they were simply too good to pass up at that price point. The Toy Box doesn't include the 3-D versions, for example.

Meanwhile, Target's running a $19.96 or $19.98 sale on many Disney Blus, and if we hadn't gone to Costco yet, I would have purchased the non 3-D Cars 2 at that price. I hadn't picked the movie up yet because when it was released, my wife was finishing her 2nd masters degree and I was neck deep in writing and when we came up for air, we had missed the coupon windows and the damn thing was over $30.00 retail. So I've been waiting on a deal for Cars 2 - it's the only Pixar film I haven't seen - and voila, here it was. Too good to pass up.

So no, I hadn't purchased the Toy Story films on Blu, or Cars 2, before the Costco sale. Now I have to find Toy Story 2 3-D to complete the set.

[yumny]

Originally Posted by Lnds500

I blame the parents

Hahaha well, let me explain those two..

We had the live-action version of 101 Dalmatians (the one with Glenn Close) on VHS tape and we thought the animated version would be exactly the same, so my parents never got it for me.

As for the Aristocats, we DID have that one in a distant past but I very vaguely remember it and it must've gotten lost. I don't consider having seen it because I can't recall a single scene from it. Alas it's one of my mother's all time favorite Disney movies and she recently acted surprised/shocked when I pointed out we didn't have it. I promised I'd buy the Blu come this fall when it gets a Dutch release.

[zoodermin]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

I've been holding off on buying a 3d TV waiting for standards and prices to settle down. But I've purchased the 3-D versions of Tron/Tron Legacy and Tangled because Disney pulls titles off the market, and I suspect eventually I'm going to own a 3-D TV, so might as well buy them now. With the Costco rebate, I've got the most complete sets/bonus features/versisons of Toy Story 1 and 3 and Cars 2. I already owned the normal version of Beauty and the Beast on Blu, and really not in a rush to buy the 3-D version. I imagine I'll pick it up eventually, if it goes on moratorium. Haven't purchased The Lion King yet in any version other than DVD and laserdisc. After helping raise my niece and nephew, I'm a little "Lion King"ed out. That and the ad campaign calling it the greatest animated film of all time gives me hives inside my brain. So I'll wait for news on a moratorium before picking up Lion King 3-D as well.

Beauty and the Beast is now in moratorium. It returned to the vault on April 30th alongside Bambi. I guess you can still get copies at a decent price but I wouldn't wait too long.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by yumny

We had the live-action version of 101 Dalmatians (the one with Glenn Close) on VHS tape and we thought the animated version would be exactly the same, so my parents never got it for me.

(Owie. That one you CAN blame the parents for. )

[Lnds500]

Originally Posted by yumny

Hahaha well, let me explain those two..

We had the live-action version of 101 Dalmatians (the one with Glenn Close) on VHS tape and we thought the animated version would be exactly the same, so my parents never got it for me.

As for the Aristocats, we DID have that one in a distant past but I very vaguely remember it and it must've gotten lost. I don't consider having seen it because I can't recall a single scene from it. Alas it's one of my mother's all time favorite Disney movies and she recently acted surprised/shocked when I pointed out we didn't have it. I promised I'd buy the Blu come this fall when it gets a Dutch release.

The UK release has Dutch DTS 5.1 if you're interested

[Ernest Rister]

By the way, sitting here with an unopened blu of Cars 2 is killing me -- should I open it or wait to talk to Disney about a possible slip/case replacement? It's a tiny bit dinged up around the top edges and there's some small piece of something rattling around inside the case.

[zoodermin]

Originally Posted by yumny

Thank you for this. I agree 100%. No matter what you do, even taking Home on the Range out of context doesn't improve it. It's just bad, bad, bad. Bad as balls.

Here's my consensus on it from a list of reviews I made;



I ranked it 37th out of all 37 DACs I have seen (to add, the ones I haven't seen yet are all the package movies, 101 Dalmatians, Aristocats, Rescuers, RDE, Great Mouse Detective, Chicken Little & Meet the Robinsons.)
As for the other "experimental" films, I ranked Dinosaur #36th, ENG #6th, Lilo and Stitch #11th, Atlantis #32nd, Brother Bear #29th and Treasure Planet #20th.

I recommend all of those films (especially 101 Dalmatians and The Rescuers) except for Chicken Little which I ranked 51st out of 51st. To be fair I haven't seen four of the six package films (Make, Mine, Music, Fun and Fance Free, Melody Time and The Advetures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad) but I don't think they will be worse than that piece of

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by zoodermin

Beauty and the Beast is now in moratorium. It returned to the vault on April 30th alongside Bambi. I guess you can still get copies at a decent price but I wouldn't wait too long.

Thanks - just picked it up for $30 on Amazon.

In for a penny, in for a pound.

EDIT

My wife loves Beauty and the Beast. You can imagine the conversations we've had about it.

[yumny]

Originally Posted by Lnds500

The UK release has Dutch DTS 5.1 if you're interested

I am but I really emptied my wallet this month. I had to pay off a $118 ticket and I spent all my remaining money on BDs to celebrate finally graduating. Bought Fantasia 2000 ($25), Snow White ($37) and Castle in the Sky ($30).. so I'm gonna go easy for a while.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by zoodermin

It also didn't help that the same year Disney offered Home on the Range, Pixar gave us The Incredibles, a spectacular film.

See, there's just still too much 2004 context, it's just hard to get away from--
Those who weren't saying Chris Sanders should kick Eisner out were saying that Pixar should stage a coup and kick Eisner out, and went out to punish this movie for not laying down and letting Pixar roll over them like nice, obedient roadkill.
Maybe not what the kids were thinking, but at that age and that part of the 00's, you were doing well if you could tell a Pixar from a Dreamworks--And the glut of third-party 2D films had created a whole weariness with the industry that wouldn't come to a head until Chicken Little and the storming of the Bastille...

Basically, Range doesn't give me hives, and I can think of other Disney animateds that do. (Beauty/Beast near the top of the list.) That's good enough defense for me to keep it off the bottom of the pile.
I moved the discussion to the appropriate thread anyway.

[yumny]

Originally Posted by zoodermin

I recommend all of those films (especially 101 Dalmatians and The Rescuers) except for Chicken Little which I ranked 51st out of 51st. To be fair I haven't seen four of the six package films (Make, Mine, Music, Fun and Fance Free, Melody Time and The Advetures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad) but I don't think they will be worse than that piece of

Nooo of course not. I'm no fan of the package films (I can't say I've completely seen all of them, hence why I consider them "unseen" - but I've seen most of them split in parts on tv) but at least they are artistic and cute, not a desperate plea for commercial interest in the shape of a bad CGI flick.

From what I've seen of Chicken Little, Zach Braff being in it seems to be the best thing. His performance is something else, but Zach Braff in a Disney film just sounds.. right, somehow.

[taei]

Originally Posted by zoodermin

I recommend all of those films (especially 101 Dalmatians and The Rescuers) except for Chicken Little which I ranked 51st out of 51st. To be fair I haven't seen four of the six package films (Make, Mine, Music, Fun and Fance Free, Melody Time and The Advetures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad) but I don't think they will be worse than that piece of

I'm just going to come flat out and say. You really don't like Chicken Little.

[zoodermin]

Originally Posted by taei

I'm just going to come flat out and say. You really don't like Chicken Little.

You got me

[disneyfreak]

I honestly didn't think Chicken Little was "that bad." I mean, its nothing special or great, but i think that there is worse done by Disney.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by zoodermin

I recommend all of those films (especially 101 Dalmatians and The Rescuers) except for Chicken Little which I ranked 51st out of 51st. To be fair I haven't seen four of the six package films (Make, Mine, Music, Fun and Fance Free, Melody Time and The Advetures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad) but I don't think they will be worse than that piece of

The worst I can really say about Home on the Range is that I can't remember a single piece of inspired or ambitious animation in the entire movie. It's instantly forgettable. Brother Bear, by contrast, has astonishing layouts - really some of the best background art I've seen in a Disney film since Tarzan and Hunchback - but from top to bottom, the movie has no sense of itself. Is it a kiddie film, or is it a tub-thumping drama? The movie has no idea. It just swings wildly from very frightening and serious dramatic moments to child-pandering nonsense. Rick Moranis and Dave Thomas let it rip on the commentary track, and when the commentary track is 20 times more entertaining than the movie you're watching, there's something seriously wrong with the movie. Listening to Moranis and Thomas borders on MST3K territory, i.e., "She says it's where the lights touch the mountains, but it looks like where the lights touch McDonalds." Brother Bear and Dinosaur are *disasters* in terms of screenwriting. Home on the Range is a forgettable toon with great songs. If hard pressed, I'm still deeply conflicted as to which I'd rank last. Robin Hood, Brother Bear, Dinosaur, Home on the Range, Oliver and Co. There's your crap pile in a failure bowl, right there. Which is the cruddy bit at bottom? Really hard to choose, some days.

[zafisher94]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

I've been holding off on buying a 3d TV waiting for standards and prices to settle down. But I've purchased the 3-D versions of Tron/Tron Legacy and Tangled because Disney pulls titles off the market, and I suspect eventually I'm going to own a 3-D TV, so might as well buy them now. With the Costco rebate, I've got the most complete sets/bonus features/versisons of Toy Story 1 and 3 and Cars 2. I already owned the normal version of Beauty and the Beast on Blu, and really not in a rush to buy the 3-D version. I imagine I'll pick it up eventually, if it goes on moratorium. Haven't purchased The Lion King yet in any version other than DVD and laserdisc. After helping raise my niece and nephew, I'm a little "Lion King"ed out. That and the ad campaign calling it the greatest animated film of all time gives me hives inside my brain. So I'll wait for news on a moratorium before picking up Lion King 3-D as well.

EDIT

Whoops! Realize I didn't answer your question. I own the DVD "Ultimate Toy Box" (which remains pretty bad ass) so I was hoping for a Blu version of an Ultimate Toy Box, but when I saw it, I hated the packaging, and it sure didn't seem like a worthy successor. So all this time I've been waiting for the price to drop on the Blu version...then DisneyFreak alerted us to the Costco rebate sale, my wife popped in for a look, and they were simply too good to pass up at that price point. The Toy Box doesn't include the 3-D versions, for example.

Meanwhile, Target's running a $19.96 or $19.98 sale on many Disney Blus, and if we hadn't gone to Costco yet, I would have purchased the non 3-D Cars 2 at that price. I hadn't picked the movie up yet because when it was released, my wife was finishing her 2nd masters degree and I was neck deep in writing and when we came up for air, we had missed the coupon windows and the damn thing was over $30.00 retail. So I've been waiting on a deal for Cars 2 - it's the only Pixar film I haven't seen - and voila, here it was. Too good to pass up.

So no, I hadn't purchased the Toy Story films on Blu, or Cars 2, before the Costco sale. Now I have to find Toy Story 2 3-D to complete the set.

thanks for the reply. I've been seriously debating on upgrading to the 3D versions, and my dad still owes me a birthday and graduation gift, so now would be the time for me to buy them. I think you may have convinced me. Only difference is that I own the 2D versions, so I'm going to have to sell those.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by zoodermin

I recommend all of those films (especially 101 Dalmatians and The Rescuers) except for Chicken Little which I ranked 51st out of 51st. To be fair I haven't seen four of the six package films (Make, Mine, Music, Fun and Fance Free, Melody Time and The Advetures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad) but I don't think they will be worse than that piece of

I'll throw in the rankings/recommendations, too:
- 101 Dalmatians: Probably the most atmospheric "Walt's London" of all his 60's films next to Mary Poppins, and the most sentimental value before Jungle Book and the Ron Millers set in...Despite what some parents think, it AIN'T the goony overgagged John Hughes version.
- Aristocats, Rescuers: I'll put these together as being probably the most iconically 70's Ron-Miller of the canon next to Robin Hood, and that's not necessarily a compliment. Ron Miller didn't know how to handle "WWWD?", and the 70's movies all seemed to cannibalize our memories of better Walt-era movies (Aristocats = Lady/Tramp with Jungle Book jazz, Rescuers = 101D and Cruella, Robin Hood using Jungle Book animation, etc.) Good for historical value, but you just can't get the "originals" out of your head while watching.
- Rescuers Down Under: I remember thinking "Why did they bother?" (they literally didn't know what else they could sequel), and eagles and credits aside, that's....a good question that never quite gets answered.
- Great Mouse Detective: Again, with Musker & Clements co-directing with old-school directors, this feels like the missing evolutionary link between the "Cutesy critters" of the Ron Miller 70's, and the new humor and energy of the post-Mermaid 90's. If you want to explain the 90's, start with '86.
- Chicken Little: Post-Shrek Dreamworks is bad enough, now imagine jealously imitating post-Shrek Dreamworks--from a studio that at the time lived in god-fearing terror of the awesome power of Shrek 2--and giving that job to someone with a tad less attention-span. (And no, I'm not talking about "Rio", and it's nowhere near close.) DW only puts one or two "Kitschy 70's/80's songs" gags in their movies, imagine one that kicks the list up to about seven or eight. In a ROW. Near the end, it's like Dindal just gives up in the last reel and doesn't want to do any other gags...
- Meet the Robinsons: If you must see Chicken Little (and only for academic value), see Robinsons IMMEDIATELY afterwards; the two are historical sides of the coin--The change in tone, when John Lasseter took over the studio and reworked the script, can be seen from the beginning to the end of the movie, and speaks volumes about what we lost Eisner and David Stainton. "Wacky" gags in the first half become warm-hearted Pixar gags in the second half, the repellently sitcom-oddball family becomes a huggy sympathetic family, and it ends with a Walt quote about "Moving forward"...Hell yeah.

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

The worst I can really say about Home on the Range is that I can't remember a single piece of inspired or ambitious animation in the entire movie. It's instantly forgettable. Brother Bear, by contrast, has astonishing layouts - really some of the best background art I've seen in a Disney film since Tarzan and Hunchback - but from top to bottom, the movie has no sense of itself. Is it a kiddie film, or is it a tub-thumping drama? The movie has no idea. It just swings wildly from very frightening and serious dramatic moments to child-pandering nonsense. Rick Moranis and Dave Thomas let it rip on the commentary track, and when the commentary track is 20 times more entertaining than the movie you're watching, there's something seriously wrong with the movie. Listening to Moranis and Thomas borders on MST3K territory, i.e., "She says it's where the lights touch the mountains, but it looks like where the lights touch McDonalds." Brother Bear and Dinosaur are *disasters* in terms of screenwriting. Home on the Range is a forgettable toon with great songs. If hard pressed, I'm still deeply conflicted as to which I'd rank last. Robin Hood, Brother Bear, Dinosaur, Home on the Range, Oliver and Co. There's your crap pile in a failure bowl, right there. Which is the cruddy bit at bottom? Really hard to choose, some days.

I feel like I'm the only one who DID find Brother too "jokey" in a way that almost violated the nice-looking character design and atmospheric background--
Mulan got a little jokey when it dealt with her home life (the June Foray grandma, for ex.), but it kept itself in its world--Bear, OTOH, had a "Dress 'em up but can't take 'em out" quality of slipping obnoxious, or just plain scattershot jokes in, and then letting the Great White Moose ad-lib in the missing bits of the story. It seemed to almost not want to stay in its world...Do Eskimo brothers actually dangle-spit when they have a brotherly fight?

(I remember the gag with the Russian bear at the salmon run--he speaks Russian, I think, everyone goes "Huh " and looks puzzled, that's it--seeming like the writers weren't letting us in on a joke they thought up, and the ripoff of the Pixar Outtakes at the end was just pure hubris--No wonder the real Pixar gave them up.)

[Hei13]

Originally Posted by PuppyJonathan

Yeah, they all come with the slipcovers at stores that sell it new

i live in Brazil, do you know if amazon still selling it with the lenticular.