The Hobbit Trilogy Discussion Thread

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by radagast

Unfortunately, the article mentions a scene that is different from the book:

[Show spoiler]In the movie, the Wood Elves help fight off the spiders. That means we are not going to see the Wood Elves' campfires repeatedly going out.

Similar to the LotR movies, scenes such as those that deviate from the original story may not be "show stoppers", but they raise the question, "will this make the story better, more enjoyable to the general audience, or at least 'more cinematic' in some way?"

[Show spoiler] If the Elves in fact help the dwarves battle the spiders, in addition to the elimination of the feasts, how does that affect the capture and imprisoning of the dwarves? We can speculate from already published scenes that they are captured because of the publicity photos of them escaping in barrels. Similarly, we may wonder about photos or clips from the trailers of scenes that aren't specifically in the story, but address the auxiliary material that will be used to support the tie-in with Lord of the Rings. For example, how could the Witch-king have been buried in a crypt - if he had never died (?), etc.

I have other questions, but right now there isn't enough information to assess the changes that Jackson and Boyens have incorporated. We'll just have to hope for the best.

[blakeyamc]

Some cool images from Comic Con. Including a good look at the cave trolls.

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You can also go here to see more images: http://www.flickr.com/photos/theoneringnet/

[The Apocalypse]

Can't wait. Will definitely be seeing this when it's released.

[Cook]

NEW CHARACTER POSTERS!

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[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Cook

NEW CHARACTER POSTERS!

Apparently, a little known fact about Dwarves is that they were masters of fashion and hair style.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Apparently, a little known fact about Dwarves is that they were masters of fashion and hair style.

If they possess even basic human knowledge they should be able to fashion their hair however they like.

[snakemaster7]

What scares me about this movie is that these dwarfs have waaaaay too much "character" in them, like, how they look. The look quite goofy in my opinion, I can't take their looks seriously. HOWEVER, I have not read The Hobbit so maybe they are supposed to be like this.

[Barbossa]

Originally Posted by snakemaster7

What scares me about this movie is that these dwarfs have waaaaay too much "character" in them, like, how they look. The look quite goofy in my opinion, I can't take their looks seriously. HOWEVER, I have not read The Hobbit so maybe they are supposed to be like this.

Well, I have and they're not. Their physical appearance in The Hobbit is much more akin to what you would class as a dwarf - long beards and the like with no false airs about their presentation. Which may of course be why Jackson chose to make them appear more distinctive in appearance so that people could tell who was who out of the 13 (the main way to phsically distinguish between them in the book might not have worked, largely by the colours of their hoods! - although you'd be hard pressed to not recognise Bombur ). I still don't 'approve' of Jackson's decision though - their appearance looks TOO forced and, to my mind, don't make me think of dwarves!

Certainly Thorin is a major aberration in the film, and looks nothing like the character of Thorin as depicted in The Hobbit.

[Buddy Ackerman]

Originally Posted by radagast

Unfortunately, the article mentions a scene that is different from the book:

[Show spoiler]In the movie, the Wood Elves help fight off the spiders. That means we are not going to see the Wood Elves' campfires repeatedly going out.

We still might - that's in the build-up to the scene. For all we know

[Show spoiler]the elves coming to fight the spiders happens after Bilbo and the dwarfs escape - the spiders might follow them. They come across the elves and battle commences. or the elves simply come in during the battle after Bilbo has freed the dwarfs. Either way we can still have the dwarfs led into the dark corners of Mirkwood by the elves' vansihing fires.

[Dead By Shaun]

Earlier this week there were rumors swirling about Comic-Con regarding the possibility of a 3rd Hobbit film. I didn't give the rumors much credence, especially after they were later squelched by Warner Brothers, but then this interesting blog just popped up today on TheOneRing.net...

OUTSIDE CHANCE OF 3RD HOBBIT FILM?

Greetings! Quickbeam here --We just talked to Peter Jackson at the press line, and he said he greatly desires to go back to film more in Middle-earth that may or may not be for home video extended editions, which were a given for the expectations of most fans, but the *really* exciting possibility of a THIRD Hobbit film is also on his mind - and he admitted it! Although he wouldn't outright commit to saying "Yes, I'm doing a 3rd film," he did NOT close the door completely, saying: "There's much more material from the Appendices of LOTR that we didn't fit in." Speculate as you will, but there is at least an outside chance this hypothetical talk could come true. Much too hasty, Quikbeam Clifford Broadway. Follow me on Twitter @Quickbeam2000.
by Cliff Broadway via email 3:16 PM

Whether we get a 3rd film, or just densely packed extended editions of the two already planned, you can count me in as an appreciative fan ready for more Hobbity goodness!

[Josh]

Originally Posted by Dead By Shaun

Earlier this week there were rumors swirling about Comic-Con regarding the possibility of a 3rd Hobbit film. I didn't give the rumors much credence, especially after they were later squelched by Warner Brothers, but then this interesting blog just popped up today on TheOneRing.net...

OUTSIDE CHANCE OF 3RD HOBBIT FILM?

Greetings! Quickbeam here --We just talked to Peter Jackson at the press line, and he said he greatly desires to go back to film more in Middle-earth that may or may not be for home video extended editions, which were a given for the expectations of most fans, but the *really* exciting possibility of a THIRD Hobbit film is also on his mind - and he admitted it! Although he wouldn't outright commit to saying "Yes, I'm doing a 3rd film," he did NOT close the door completely, saying: "There's much more material from the Appendices of LOTR that we didn't fit in." Speculate as you will, but there is at least an outside chance this hypothetical talk could come true. Much too hasty, Quikbeam Clifford Broadway. Follow me on Twitter @Quickbeam2000.
by Cliff Broadway via email 3:16 PM

Whether we get a 3rd film, or just densely packed extended editions of the two already planned, you can count me in as an appreciative fan ready for more Hobbity goodness!

Highly doubt it. PJ has already said that he wants to add more footage back to LOTR for the next home video release, and what he has added back so far could constitute a fourth film in that series. He is more likely to make significant additions as an extended cut.

At Comic-Con, they showed a longer trailer of The Hobbit in 24fps because, as PJ said, the experience of 48fps can't be correctly judged in small segments. Interesting choise, nonetheless.

[Col. Zombie]

Originally Posted by Cook

If they possess even basic human knowledge they should be able to fashion their hair however they like.

We need to be careful about insulting ficticious dwarves around this guy. Uh-oh, did I call them ficticious?

[Monterey Jack]

Originally Posted by Dead By Shaun

OUTSIDE CHANCE OF 3RD HOBBIT FILM?

Greetings! Quickbeam here --We just talked to Peter Jackson at the press line, and he said he greatly desires to go back to film more in Middle-earth that may or may not be for home video extended editions, which were a given for the expectations of most fans, but the *really* exciting possibility of a THIRD Hobbit film is also on his mind - and he admitted it! Although he wouldn't outright commit to saying "Yes, I'm doing a 3rd film," he did NOT close the door completely, saying: "There's much more material from the Appendices of LOTR that we didn't fit in."

Do we have to suffer through EVERY movie series splitting the final installment into two or more movies now?

[Wally Q]

I still really wish Tom Hollander had been cast. Equals in talent to Martin Freeman but actually looks like a younger Sir Ian. With that said, I like what I've seen of MF in this, he just doesn't look a thing like Holm.

[Falaskan]

Do you think there will be extended version of these films? I mean they are splitting a moderately sized book in two, you'd think two movies would more than well cover it.

[Col. Zombie]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

Do you think there will be extended version of these films? I mean they are splitting a moderately sized book in two, you'd think two movies would more than well cover it.

Does a bear s**t in the woods?

I don't think Peter Jackson can make a movie without first releasing the theatrical cut, and then 6 to 7 months later releasing an extended edition. He did it with all of the LOtR movies and King Kong. I think he didn't do it with Lovely Bones because it was a flop and only sold 10 copies on Blu-ray.

[Dead By Shaun]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

Do you think there will be extended version of these films? I mean they are splitting a moderately sized book in two, you'd think two movies would more than well cover it.

Yes, absolutely they are. Peter has already said so himself. In fact, he is already in talks with Warner about shooting additional footage next year based on using more material from the LOTR appendices and is also considering splitting the 2nd film into two parts as well.

Here's an excerpt from his interview with HitFix.com:

Peter Jackson considering 'Hobbit 2' film split:
ACCLAIMED DIRECTOR WANTS TO SHOOT ALL-NEW APPENDICES MATERIAL IN 2013

HitFix asked Jackson at Comic-Con if he and his team was in fact considering splitting "The Hobbit: There and Back Again" -- aka "The Hobbit 2."

"That's a discussion we're having, yeah," Jackson said. "We have certainly been talking to the studio about some of the material we can't film, and we've been asking them so we can do a bit more filming next year. Which, I don't know what would come of that, whether it'd be extended editions or whatnot. But those discussions are ongoing."

Some of what Jackson was hoping to film would be found in J.R.R. Tolkien's supplementary material.

"I'd like to shoot a bunch more material that we [couldn't] shoot. There's so much good stuff in the appendices that we haven't been able to squeeze into these movies," Jackson said, referring to the appendix sections found at the end of "The Return of the King" detailing more background on Middle Earth and its history.

source http://www.hitfix.com//news/peter-ja...lm-split-watch

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Dead By Shaun

"That's a discussion we're having, yeah," Jackson said. "We have certainly been talking to the studio about some of the material we can't film, and we've been asking them so we can do a bit more filming next year. Which, I don't know what would come of that, whether it'd be extended editions or whatnot. But those discussions are ongoing."

Some of what Jackson was hoping to film would be found in J.R.R. Tolkien's supplementary material.

"I'd like to shoot a bunch more material that we [couldn't] shoot. There's so much good stuff in the appendices that we haven't been able to squeeze into these movies," Jackson said, referring to the appendix sections found at the end of "The Return of the King" detailing more background on Middle Earth and its history.

This is something I have wondered about. The "appendices" to which Jackson is referring are almost certainly Appendices A and B in The Lord of the Rings. Although the Hobbit movies will use some of the material, there is still much remaining that doesn't fit the subject matter of those movies. In particular in "The Tale of Years" (Appendix B), The Second Age (although a synopsis) would provide material for a movie. However, "Akallabeth" (part of The Silmarillion) is the actual detailed description of this part of Middle-earth history. Christopher Tolkien holds the copyright for that book and has indicated that he will not permit it to be filmed. I imagine this is what Jackson is referring to as "some of the material we can't film", but the fact that the story exists in abbreviated form in LotR may give him legal recourse to film it anyway. Another section that would seem filmable is The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen in Appendix A, but the actors that played those parts in the LotR movies, especially Viggo Mortensen, may be too old to now film those roles. Additional "movie-material" concerning Middle-earth is found in Unfinished Tales, but I believe Christopher also holds the copyright for those stories.

[Yankees0222]

I just finished reading the book for the first time.... I really don't think the story needs 2 movies (adding up to ~5 hours) to tell its story. Seems more like cash grabbing than necessity to me

I think a 3 hour movie would be sufficient.... And possibly an extended edition on home video if needed. Oh well.... What do I know?

I mean, they dedicated 1 movie to each of the LOTR stories and those were much longer than the hobbit.

[Dead By Shaun]

Originally Posted by Yankees0222

I just finished reading the book for the first time.... I really don't think the story needs 2 movies (adding up to ~5 hours) to tell its story. Seems more like cash grabbing than necessity to me

I think a 3 hour movie would be sufficient.... And possibly an extended edition on home video if needed. Oh well.... What do I know?

I mean, they dedicated 1 movie to each of the LOTR stories and those were much longer than the hobbit.

Here's another recent interview with PJ from the Miami Herald where he addresses this subject:

Q: Even as well as you know Tolkien, I'm sure the process of making these two new films has presented you with new insights and connections with the material. What surprises have you found in Middle-earth or in the work of the bookshelf wizard?

A: As slight as people think the "Hobbit" novel is, compared to the "Lord of the Rings" books, we have been surprised at how rich the world is, and how many interesting themes and characters there are to explore. We are also using extensive parts of the appendixes, which were published at the end of "Return of the King." This is not just "The Hobbit" - it's "The Hobbit" set in a much greater context of events taking place throughout Middle-earth during this period. The material is so rich. In fact, only this last week or two, we've been talking to the studio about allowing us to shoot some additional material next year, to fully complete the story.

Source: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/1...-the-lord.html